There is an enormous paradox confronting us –

The planet's ecosystems are in terrible shape, and this is widely believed to have negative consequences for humanity. And yet, at the same time, human wellbeing has never been better. People are living longer, healthier and richer lives. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/were-going-over-that-cliff-in-style/story-e6frg6ux-1225914476437

So what gives? Why the disparity? And does this mean that we shouldn't worry too much about global warming, ocean acidification, and other ecological crises-in-waiting, since it looks like we'll just continue to get richer even as we cause irreversible damage to the planet?

How do we reconcile this greatest of paradoxes?

This really is the question of our generation, "the great morale dilemma".

We are getting richer and living longer because we are destroying the environment. This maybe a big statement but follow the thinking.

We rape the environment for all sorts of things, minerals, fish, food, timber products we also pollute it with our waste products. These activities are what makes us rich and as we have made it clear by our attitude towards any action on the environment that requires us to make a sacrifice, we don't really care if we destroy it. These riches that are made from raping the planet are what allows us to develop medicine and automation that is allowing us to live longer, pollute more and consume more.

Man will come up with ways of surviving, be it terraforming, bio-spheres or even as Stephen Hawkins suggested colonising outer space.
The question is;

Do we want to live on a waste land devoid of the rich blend of forna and flora that we currently enjoy?

Is the current standard of living destroying our quality of life?

How do we want the future generations to live and do we really care?

@nairbe, “We rape the environment for all sorts of things, minerals, fish, food, timber products we also pollute it with our waste products.”

Basically, I agree with you, though one does not automatically mean the other…though we do rape the planet and that allows us to develop technologies and live longer, in itself is not the cause of the pollution, but the pollution is caused by our attitude of endless “clean” water, clean air etc. and our traditional lack of concern of polluting anything…nature will take care of our mess. Yes, and it may well take care of us at the same time.

Here in Sydney, is a classic example…we pump sewerage out to sea, polluting a resource, instead of spending a bit more on pipelines and pumping it in-land to reclaim lost lands as fertilizer. It’s a double whammy! Our management is dumb! So we lose the opportunity of reclamation, while polluting our immediate ocean resources, and when the wind and tide is right, our beaches!! Most of the arable land around Sydney is now zoned residential. We’re killing our market gardens, and placing dwellings on arable land, instead of utilizing that land for its best purpose….food production. No, we change it to people production, and decrease the capacity for food production, pushing it further out from the city to lands that are not as arable, or large distances to increase transport costs and create “freshness” issues in the products. We’re so smart that we can put a man on the moon, but not feed and water a city from mismanaging resources.

TBC...

I watched a docco whereby in the rag-trade, dyes have become an issue due to their pollutants. So a company in Europe spent a lot of time and money developing new dyes that are environmentally friendly, but still are able to produce the vibrant colours. That was about 10 years ago…what’s changed? Nothing, that I can see. The rag-trade still uses the pollutant dyes instead of the now developed non-pollutant ones. People that have developed whatever systems for whatever reasons, are reluctant to change. It’s not that we can’t develop better technologies, systems and attitudes, but that we are reluctant to as a species. We change when we are forced to, and basically, not before. It’s an unfortunate human trait.

About 5 years ago, Warragamba Dam got down to about 27% capacity, which apparently means only about 12% useable water due to pressures and sludge. In real terms, that’s but a pubic-hair short of disaster, but has anyone suggested that Sydney look at building another dam or two? Of course not!! That would be prudent planning rather than reacting when it’s too late! But our population grows, food and clean water resources diminish, and we do nothing…not even talk about it.

It’s not that I hate politicians, for “hate” is too insipid a word to describe how I feel towards their self-serving incompetence on all sides of the political arena. Let’s just agree that they’re all lower than whale excrement, and could crawl under a snake’s belly wearing ten-gallon hats, unnoticed. But that’s my measured opinion, let me know when you want to hear what I REALLY think. :-) :-) :-)

global..warming...it..was said..to us..in adverts..decades-ago
is..[if anything]...a lie

see how..before..the scare..was the OZONE_HOLE
now its carbon...[but remember..them cfc's]..
many times worse..than co2

then there are so/many..others
methane/benzines/ethinol

but you cant tax them
but we/.can tax...co2 emission

[but thats not..the real-cause]
thus the cure..isnt..the real-cure

we should tax..home-composting.../ethinol/benzine
or those..scientists..doing tricks..with pure co2[dry-ice]

we are being conned..big-time
if it/is heating..its the other..worse* gasses

but there is another point

we see industry..shuting down..globally
so then..co2 will reduce...naturally*

but gearing..it back-up...
[to build..new cars..new solar-cells..new wind/turbines...
will only demand ever-more..co2 to be produced..to BUILD...it]

thats what/they* need..the new tax for

to close down...a steel-producer..in briton
then build a new*..steel-producer..in china..or india
many times..bigger*

come-on..people..its a con*

see how..ross/garnishu..runs..his gold-mines..in papua
pumps..tioxin..directly..into the deep-sea

he is an ECONO-mist..
for egsample
he has an economic..cure..

to make more industry
to get the next-phase..of polution...going

who...has the GOVT-subsidies,,solar-cells..on their roofs?
you know..the cleaner..used to make..them
is 200..times worse*..than co2..!..!

then all that carbon..mining/making..them
ITS A CON>>FOLKS
wake-up

they tricked..the data
bought-out the media

bribed..the greenies...[funded/them]
own..all the carbobn-trading..houses
and waste..your super/contributions

they are directly about making..you peons..in your own land
they will gradually increase..the private/tax burden..
while coping govt hand-outs/govt subsidy/bail-outs

its time you recalled..all the media scares
and stopped believing everything you read
or hear...

you know its all tested..
in work-groups..then/that..which works..

is given to..the decieving media..
either as a survey..or
special feature

or to your local-member..to make it law

Human beings are destroying the environment. They are noxious pests who should be machine-gunned (except me).

Ludwig Wrote:
""" And yet, at the same time, human well being has never been better. People are living longer, healthier and richer lives. """

It's all a temporary illusion. The richness you're experiencing has come at the expense of others sacrificing their quality of life so that you can live the illusion that yours will always be better. For every Australian who's life has improved, there are literally millions dying and suffering for you.

The ratio of people who's lives have improved to those that have gone the other way is increasing in case you haven't noticed?

The constant screaming about the environment and sustainability is all about scamming people into giving something up so that the rich can have more for themselves. What you're experiencing is the exponential growth of disciples prepared to spread their poisonous religion!

There's plenty for everyone if the selfish rich would accept a little less for themselves and begin to demand ways of recycling more and improving the way we do things. If they would just relinquish their grip on technology through their BS patents, copyrights, government sanctioned monopolies and stop indoctrinating our young through their propaganda machines, we could move forward and improve everyone's life including the planets!

This is what you should be harping about and not your constant whining about population and BS global warming.

We have the means, we just need to instill the will on the rich, not the poor!

Animals tend to live longer in zoos than in their natural habitat too.

I suppose it comes down to quality versus quantity in years lived - but we are becoming more and more powerless to have an effect on one of these factors.

Also, this "living longer" is not a world-wide phenomenon.

Our extra years may well be at the expense of somebody else's.

Climate change is part of the planet's makeup. The present change is merely sped up by industry & warfare. Instead of another ice-age every 10,000 years we now get one every 8000.
I only hope Anna Bligh isn't going to hit us with an early ice-age tax. I wouldn't have enough money left to buy coal for heating.

Dear Ludwig,

What does the future hold?

Some foresee a new era of scarcity, in which economic
growth would be replaced, at best, by economic
stability - and at worst, by economic shrinkage.
Others, are highly optimistic that we can continue on
our present path, relying on technological
innovations to solve problems in the future as they
have in the past. But predicting the future is a risky
business at the best of times, and to project highly
complex trends for many decades into the future, when
one cannot be aware of subsequent technological and
other factors that might affect them, is not a very
reliable way of making forecasts.

If data on agricultural production a century ago had been
used to project trends into the 1980s, they would have
pointed to global mass starvation. But the introduction
of new hybrid species of high-yield grain and highly
mechanized agricultural techniques have greatly
increased food production in a way that could not have
been anticipated.

Nobody denies that the planet has a finite amount of
resources or that it can tolerate only a limited
amount of pollution. If world population continues
to grow rapidly, if industrialism spreads around the
world, and if pollution and resource depletion continue
at an increasing rate - the most optimistic answer to
where is human society headed? would be that, one way
or another, sweeping social changes await us all.

Climate change or not - I think it's insane to be digging up our non-renewable resources at an ever increasing rate and pretty much turning them all into junk that will eventually become landfill.

At this rate the following generations will have a lot more to worry about than the effects of climate change alone.

your wrong...jardine
we are all created..in gods/image
thus deserve to be respected...
yes even those decievers..who lord it over us

everything has its cost/price
the demon-moc-rats...
who allowed how-hard..to give-us..the gst[shaft]
are no longer in politics

we hear/much..ado..about budget/honesty
but there is no honour..in poli-tricks

its the two/party-line..all the way
run..by auto-crats..to serve..the rich..to get richer

thus we saw..mr..how-hard..first remove..'death-duties'
ending in the big-new GST-tax..sold us via focus-groups
its a grand-scam..

how it was played..is by shutting-down
news-papers...and bying up..the visual media
[seems if we see it we believe-it]

so mr..how-hard..only had to be seen..doing/normal..things
like walking...seemingly..alone..without fear
for us to think..he has a clear/concious

see how he sold..telstra[telecom]
then put the proffits...we all paid..for
into super..for him..and the public..sir-vice

its a grand/deception..of horendous proportions
it runs globally...it hinges on sport-destractions
fund..the local footy-team..and they man..the voter-booths
[one-hand ..washes the other]

see more than half of parliment..is or were lawyers
[they are used to taking-orders/are used to working..for criminals]
but in being sworn/loyal..to the british-law..society
shouldnt..even be allowed to vote..let alone..be elected

see how/media got all that free-spectrum
keeping the public..destracted..by police-style..enter-taint-ment
fear inducing consumerism..gossip..star-power..cooking and sport

its al very-neat..fot those lawyers..creating laws
then former lawyers[now..judges] judging the laws
but the laws..are for the person..not the coorperations

[who dont like paying taxes..on their income..prefering we pay taxes..on our meager..wages..see wage/income..are two different-things]

see how we fill their courts
and the coorperations..get a great deal..
plus no regulation
they self regulate...

and we are over-regulated
by such things..as drug-laws
or trickey...moral/policing...see in law..there are two forms

criminal..[where there is an in-jured-party]
and civil/law..[where there is a contract]
we been tricked..by the lawyers/into creating..contract

see a contract..is created..by sig-nature[sign/here]
make..your mark...[its the mark of civil.cooruption..not the beast]

see we apply..for a licence
[licence..is permission..to do-that..other-wise..deemed illegal..[under the act]...and by applying..under the licencing act..we fall subject..to all acts...

[we signed..created a uni-lateral[but enforcable-con-tract]...
we begged for a licence/advantage..
and got..what we begged for[serfdom/slavery..bondage
but its all..immoral..unconstitutional

but in criminal..or civil...the constitutions..dont apply
we have equity-courts..meaning it volentary

ever notice..our names are in capital/letters
[in caps means..its a coorperation...ie a fiction..we bought into]

your name has..one capital/letter
not all caps..only corperations need to/do that
to tell the dead..from the living..

but no lawyer..is going to tell you/that
i dont think..they are even taught..that anymore
but then legal-aid..is such a great earner[for lawyers]

its not unheard..for them to get 5000..for a mornings work
simply colluding..to get you..to plead-guilty
when..THEY..SHOULD BE SAYING..

NOT A COORPERATION
not a person..[a person..is a coorperation]..
contract/created..via in-informed-concent

i seek no remedy

but/via a trickey..form of law..called inclusion..
via the deceptive word..include/includes/including..

which limits..that to-that included..
the acts are only for public-servants..
or specificly..that following includes

but law..is trickey to read..but read it all the same

ignorance of the law..is no excuse

but any act..only applies to those..seeking powwers..
advabntages//licence..under the act

act..is not law..
but no lawyer/can tell-you..that..

[they are sworn..to treason..sorry secrecy..]

there is so much/more..but it all involves..wanting to know
and quite simply..govt has learned..you dont want to know
or you would ask questions

but its all
[pearl/before...well how goes it?]

recall what happend..to mr how-hard
and sherryl../kkk-earner

dont get too clever mr..bike-rider
in lue of talking to the media...what worked..for john
mate..the people may elect fools//but they do it...at your risk

One word, WAR!

With the terrible shape most other countries are in I think it may well be in the winds.

After all, it will curb population, it will create jobs for the masses, the list goes on.

BUT! I hope I am terribly wrong!

The history of humanity is littered with enormous paradoxes. But they all point to one thing – an absolute inability for us to get it through our thick heads that the most important thing of all is to just strive to live in balance with our environment and resource base.

Some of the paradoxes have been:

Agriculture. This made our lives easier, with more reliable food supplies, more easily won than hunting and gathering. But it led to big population increases and the over utilisation of regional land and water resources and made people vulnerable to famine when their crops failed.

Medicine. Huge improvements have led to millions of lives being saved especially with massive reductions in infant mortality. But this has led directly to huge increases in population which has kept many hundreds of millions on the edge of starvation and in abject poverty.

Fossil fuels. This has allowed populations to further burgeon and the quality of life to increase in many countries. But it is all built on a house of cards, which cannot be held together when oil becomes scarce, or well before it becomes scarce, due to increasing prices.

Highly flawed economics. We’ve just seen the GFC. But by all accounts, we haven’t learnt the lessons of this crisis and we certainly haven’t learnt that an economic system based on continuous growth is madness. Apparently, a vastly bigger crash is on the way, and soon.

So where does it all leave us?

Nature had its own population control by way of decease but man it his infinite wisdom has gone against nature as always & doesn't know how to deal with all of us. Three solutions only. War, decease or birth control. Make your choice.

individual/quote..<<..Three-solutions..only...War,..decease/or birth-control...Make..your choice.>>all pretty/much-as..ludwig..out-lines

but..your/both..in error

war...HASNT/worked..its just..the current-way

there-are..egsamples..
that..2 percent of war-funding..alone
..could feed/the world

the..holy-texts..talk-of..turning..
the machinery..of war..into plough-shares...

so lets/think..they sort-of..may-have..had..some insight

they also/put-in place..the LAW..
about not/doing..murder
[its..not/thou..shalt/not kill]..
but/thou..shalt-not..murder..[ie/war]

see..abortion-too..is murder..
[how-ever/much..we may/not..chose..to see/it..so]

but..if you feel/guilt..
know..god is..most..forgiving
he knows...the reasons/behind..every-choice..

[and its-not..so-much..what..we do..
as why..we chose to-do..this or that]

another/thing is
god..dont judge...
its time..we/got over..that

see we/were..each/..given a gift...of life
it is/only..respons-able/reasonable..to give..the gift-on

the..'sin'..in homo-sexuality..
isnt as/much about..loving..the same-sex
but..not/continuing...the circle..[gift]..of life

science..has repeatedly..confirmed..
life comes..only from life..

so the crime..[if any]..isnt living/loving

thing/is..we are not*..too many
but that/..so few..have so much

lest we forget..
greed...is about fear

and there/is plenty..of fossil-fuels..
despite the deciete..sold in the press

then there are alternatives..to fossil fuel
[like the joe-fuel..cell]..that makes fuel..from water

but greed..needs/us..to need..that they hoard
we come..across a simular fear-based thing..re medicine
where cheap-cures..are suppressed..
so they/can keep sicknes/INCOME

dental decay..[for egsample]..could easilly be erradicated..
via anti-biotics...killing it extinct
[just like we got rid/of small pox..polio]

but then/many allready ritch..dentists..
wouldnt get..their new penthouse..on sydney-harbour

its the same-thing..re cancer..mans/biggest killer
able to be cured..simply by sound/vibration/
or..high alcalinty/even by colour spectrophy...
and electo-lisis..plates..we use to plate metals
[that disolve..and suck it..out/in hours..effortlesly]

same ..re most of our problems
except those of glutteny[diabetis/obesity..self inflicted
yet still creted//gifted..life..in his image

they-too..are so easilly solved..as previously mentioned
but the thing is..the 3 percent..who now owns..97 percent..of it all
want us gone...

and as they/think..they..control it all..
they will in the end succeed...[see this is the new hell.../watched tv lately]...and god has a new plan...[well not actually..god..but demons]but as you/dont grasp-him..you may just grasp..demons

living in a demon-autocratic..system

they want..this reality..into..a prison-planet
they-WILL..get it...why let them/have eternity..
when we..can let them have one..mere..life-term...lol

but dont-let/on..you know
just watch and see/how..their plans/planning
back-fire...SSS

its important..you know..

you-too are an eternal/spirit..having a life-sentenance
they..are allowed..free-will...too

then...when/you have..served/your..time
more shall-be given..an eternity..in fact

based on that..you chose..to-do..
loved to/do..
here/..now

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10496&page=0

under one god,
what do you mean it hasn't worked ? Didn't the plague & others & wars keep the population down. I know war is man-made but who created the deceases ? Surely it was that creator who created those or who or what was it then ? If Eve hadn't handed that apple to Adam then there sure wouldn't be a population problem. So, who do we blame , Eve ?

Dear Individual,

Ever since Eve gave Adam the apple,
there's been a misunderstanding
between the sexes about gifts.

individual..you have recieved reply from the queen

there isnt much more i could add..but will try

you/said..,<<..what/do..you mean..it/hasn't worked..?>>

just that..the rich/..get richer
and the poor..stay poor..regardless of..how many/wars

see wars..used to be/when..one king.lost-control..over his/'serfs
and sent his cousen/king in..to re-establish the statis quo..via war/murder/mayhem

in the end..it dont/do ..a real lot..
but keep/what is..the way it-is

<<Didn't the plague &..others..&
wars keep/the population down.>>..thats debatable

recent research reveals..children..
[regardles of how/many survive]
depends directly on income...

we wont see/the birth-rate go-up..much..
if we all/get a bit more wealthy...yes..it seems..unlikely..

but people been/dying..forever
and dead aint...dead

god knows that..for a..certainty
yes..the body-dies..but our/soul..is eternal

<<I know war/is man-made..but who created..the deceases?>>

names arnt..important...
[that we do/did to the least,we do/did..to god...
[is much/more important]..

if only..the elites..would wake..
and see how much they have-been given..
is proportuinate-to..the risk,..they/take..in the next-life

[as jesus revealed..its harder..for a rich-man..to enter gods/kingdom.

..this is mainly..because wealth...belongs equally
to the worker...as the master]..but we/know..it just..isnt so

<<Surely it/was that creator..who created/those..
or..who or/what..was it..then?>>

we largly chose/ourselves
by chosing..our..parents

see..we are spirits/evolving...
[this huh-man/form..isnt our first..incarnation..]
we have had/each..many/other..incarnations...

[some..huh-mans..still much reflect..
the beast of their last incarnation..simply via their brutish/natures...others have been given..a second,..go]

<<If Eve..hadn't handed/that..apple to Adam
then..there sure..wouldn't be a population-problem>>

yes and no.
spirits...dont have offspring..

prior..to becoming..outcast..
[joining the serphant..]..in the garden
children wernt an option..

but from the monment..they hit the garden..
breeding was an option...it just took them..a while/
to figure it all out./.from then on..well we/see..the fruit's

<<So,..who do/we blame..Eve?>>

eve has/been wronged..too much..for too long
be nicer..to your great/great..etc..grand-ma

recall adam..gave life..[living-sperm]
that eve..made into child..[life from life]

eve has been wronged..too much

she was/able..to be forgiven...a foolishness..
under the mosaic-laws..of mosus..5 ways...

to wit..her father..adam..[X/y]..[he gave the/rib]

her brother....we now..know..eve[X/X}..
was a clone..[with the..'y'..chromosone..deleted]

the husband..[adam..[X/y]..could have forgiven..[X/X]

etc...besides..as the serphant..did ask..[X/X]

"dids't..god forbid"?

and the answer..is no/..god..did-not
for eve..was still..a rib..at the time

so has eve/..and her-kind..[X/X]..
been wrongl-y/..wronged..

unjustly..

for far/..too long

AHHH-men

How do you get more souls when you haven't enough space for the bodies to house & feed them for 8 decades ?
I'm not denouncing nor professing that there is a superior being commonly referred to as God.
I can't crank up the amount of faith needed due to so much mayhem & misery around me. I desperately wish that there was a power which had some control over the countless miserable sods who make life so difficult for most of us. God has more tolerance than I could ever muster towards those god damned morons out there. Why does God allow these idiots to exist ? Fair enough to give man his own free will but surely even God would realise by now that mankind needs redesigning. I only hope a Mark2 is on the drawing board.

individual/quote..<<....surely..even/God..would..realise/by-now..that mankind..needs re-designing.>>...be..carefull..what..you wish/..for

remember..we/are...all...created...in gods-image

your missing/what..man-kind..is

see/how..angels/fell from..the heavens
[satan..and half-of..the angels...decided they/wanted..free-will...and got/it

then adam/failed..the free-will-test
and got/it..too

but see..EVEN/today...spirits..
y-earning..for..this..free-will..can confirm..they..get-it/too

and then..a new-life/incarnation....is..'born'..

<<I only/hope..a..Mark2..is-on..the drawing-board>.
god..took-care of/that..a long-time ago...

you may have/heard..of the sons/of light..[son's..of god]
well that/awaits..the levels..of evolution...abouve angels
actual-suns..in the heavens..all/radiating..gods-light

look/at..the uncountable..enlightened..suns..of the/father
each..having/their-own..let/there-be/light..moment

<<..How do/you get..more/souls..
when/you..haven't enough/space..for the/bodies..to house..& feed..them..>>

your forgetting...flesh/blood/bodies..
is only..temporary..the..means/to..the end

we form..our/soul-body..in this..life-time
then enter..the..astral-plane..
in/our..astral/body[soul-body]soul

that/then..disolves...in time..into a/body..of light
as we..resolve/balance..the errors..we lived..here

[or alternatly..decide,,to/not..change..
and sink...naturally..
as..far/as..our morals/wish-us..to sink..into.the..hells]
seek-ou.. the darkness..by rejecting..the light

deneying..what/we..have..allways/been

<<I can't/crank-up..the amount/of..faith/needed
due-to..so much/mayhem..& misery..around me.>>

its not about-faith/but..works/deeds

as jesus revealed..its about..works/deeds
what did/you..do..to try and make..things better

did you/..love god
by loving/..neighbour
[that..sort-of/thing]

see..we begged..to be allowed..huh-man/incarnation
begged..to/be..allowed..to help..end all-that..suffering

dived..in unprepared..for the seeming..reality..of this/realm
and many..found..them-selves..accepting,,this...dimentions-realities
forgetting..we are..eternal-spirit..building..a soul

<<I desperately/wish/that..there was..a power..which-had..some/control over the..countless..miserable-sods..who/make..life so difficult..for most/of us.>>.

this reality..confirms..
that even they..have/free-will
it/is..either..ALL..have..free-will
or it's,not..free-will

have/faith..in the..end..many will/see..the light
seek to know..the good..truth..of god..the light

seek to/serve..each..sustained..in..the light
to live/love..the good..of god..revealed..in the light

god dont/want slaves

he as the..perfect-host..loves serving..usall

indeed serves..even..the least..
their gift..[of-life]
equally..as he serves/to live..the most

<<God has more/tolerance..than..I could ever/muster..towards/those god..damned..morons..out/there.>>>god..damms no-one

you must learn...we are..they..
them..we/most despise
simply by hating...'them'..
we hate that..like...ourselves..we see/refected..in..them

god..is in..all living
we get/..grace..by giving..grace

you are..forgiven..come/to..the light..nothing..to fear/here
but the price..of the/..light..is forgiving..those..we/see..as them

all are/all..beloved..by god
who sees..the truth
knows the..truth

we/all..in time..repent..
that we/did..that hurt-others
that..[only really/hurt..ourselves]

slipping/back..to..topic
[as tony..will shortly..realise]

<<Why does/God..allow these/idiots..to exist>>
think/of them as..children

till they saw/knew..to/do..better
they couldnt.,.see any-reason..why-to..even/try

<<Fair enough..to give..man/his own free-will..but>>

which of..gods-children..will/you..deney?

we were/all born..ignorant

i have/much..i..regret...
but regret..without..repentance..
is...just/talk...

[talk is cheap]

by...our/works..
are we..revealed..or reviled

Dear Individual,

There may well be something else on the
drawing board - as you suggest. But perhaps,
it will be man-created not God. Look at the
inovations that technology is currently
making. The age of the "bionic man/woman,"
is already here. Artificial Intelligence is
making massive contributions (robots caring
for the elderly in Japan).

You never know what the future may hold for us,
and as OUG said - we'd better be very careful
what we wish for.

we'd better be very careful
what we wish for.
Foxy,
I couldn't agree more. I for one wish the megalomaniac do-gooder ignoramuses are being redesigned as we speak. So far as those who constantly impose their ignorance onto others are concerned, aren't they primarily left wing ? I'm not entirely blameless but I wonder how they'll be assessed.
Let's hope integrity triumphs over what we have now.

Dear Individual,

I'm not sure if all the ignoramuses are
primarily left wing. I'm even beginning
to wonder what on earth does that mean?
Some people claim to be right wing, and
yet some of their views vary, the same
goes for left wing, centre wing and so
on. Maybe people that are ignorant - are
simply just that - ignorant.

What this last election has shown us is
that most people, are somewhat disatisfied
with both parties. What does depress the
heck out of me for example is - why can't
parliamentarians work for the good of
the country - if its a good idea - support
it, regardless of who suggested it - why
the adversarial conflicts all the time,
and putting party politics first instead
of the nation.

I'd better stop - I'm beginning to sound
like a whinger - but I certainly can
identify with your frustration with
certain people.

Still, I suppose if we all agreed, we'd
complain how dull and boring things are?

Humans are a conundrum, that's for sure.

Foxy wrote:

""" why can't
parliamentarians work for the good of
the country """

Hi Foxy.

Because there's only one true God today in the eyes of most, particularly our poly-ticks. He's called MONEY and his symbol is no longer the cross but the $$$.

At the end of the day, they will sell their own mothers for the $$$.

We're all doomed to be consumed by the great almighty $$$!

Dear Foxy,

Just reading the words, "robots caring for the elderly in Japan" sent shivers down my spine. Have we come so far technologically that we would slap ourselves on the back at the implementation of such an "innovation".
In my opinion, there is something ethically questionable about such a method of care - surely a human deserves another human as a caregiver. No doubt, there are roles for robotic or artificial intelligence in our world...caring for a frail vulnerable human being is not one of them.

poirot..is right
we do deserve...better..in our old-rage..than robots

i have/seen glimses..of the future
and more of it/will be..in uniting..the old/new

the young..look after the old
schools..will cure..the numbers/ratio's..of pupils/teachers
by joining old..peoples-homes..to school's

further..govt..wil be adminesterd..locally..via school
govt services..will centralise..around..schools
if you need anything..we need only get to a school

they run/courses..to teach people parenting/skills
link..people to baby-sitting..[and old people-care]
students go arround testing the waters

students study..the local habitat..do research...
even approve homes/roads..services

[guided of course..by the elders]
who strangly enough get vitalised..
by the energy/enthusiasm..of the youth

anyhow i have seen the future..and its much more decentralised
[yet centralised around school/districts]

they turn..high-rises..into fields to grow food
beef..isnt so much feedlot/grain-fed
as much as fed on sprouted..grains

anyhow...it needs to get worse/before it can get better
se we have built..all we need..

but as..RM..says..its currently..all about..$
and that system..is by decree[thats what fiat...means]
its only money..because govt declares/declared..it legal tender

but the bwankers stole..the means..
for govt..to generate..its own values..legal tender
and have grossly miss-used..abused..any trust..they might have had

they run-out..of money..long ago
the bail-outs..that capitalised..them..isnt near enough..
for the inflated..values..put on the few assets..they actually do hold

see they have paper-securities..[basiclly anything..we signed]
thus our mort-gauges...have long-ago..been cashed-in
in fact..the banks sold..it..thus dont have..it

when you hear of repossesions,,they need..THE ORIGONAL[blue-ink]document..but dont have it[only recently..they make people sign..two]

see if the origonal/document..isnt in court..the judge must throw-out the case..but no-one is in court,,,to make the law work..this is what govt should be seeing done..but isnt

i should stop wasting..my breath
i have long talked of these things
and nothing much changes..

ok kevi..listend..briefly
but look where the rest/of the..idea's went..no where

we need a new bank..so the rest of us..can use the banking system
to help the poor..the rich..well they deserve all they wont-get..when it inevitably falls in a heap...

[ok you loose your super..too]..
but hey...you didnt want/to know/what they were doing/bying..with your cash...stolen from your wage..[wage..isnt income]

you put/your faith..in men
jesus warned..about ursury..[intrest]

read..the..secret/bankers..manuel
or the many/other books..i have recomended

poirot,
I get what you are at but i don't agree. Surely you see that by the use of robotics and computerisation into the future the elderly will be able to maintain their independence and dignity for longer before a human carer would be required.
I do agree that once mobility has been compromised or the situation becomes palliative, human decency requires the human touch. I don't think anyone would like the idea that they will be treated like a product in a store house because they have dementia.

will be treated like a product ,
nairbe,
you obviously haven't heard of person called Anna Bligh.

"The planet's ecosystems are in terrible shape..."

This is just fanatical doomsday religious doctrine.

jefferson/quote..<<The planet's ecosystems are in terrible shape..."

This is just..fanatical/doomsday religious doctrine.>>

hey easy on the religious...think zeal-ot
like greenie/left-wing..fanatics

calling us holow-caust..deneyers
for not believing their fear/spin/propaganda
to bring-in the new tax

a clue lies in those who couldnt deliver/the new big-tax
the wrong-penny..got finance..[how obvious is that]

and the gar-rot..who lives in a mansion
great-mates..with..al-l-gore
heavilly invested in certain carbon/trading firms
runs..education...

re-education..that taught/us..the lie-of evolution
out of genus..which has never..been recorded,
,nor observed..nor is able to be replicated..
thus isnt a propper-science..
only a god-less/theory

we get sold so much...spin..from the ozone-hole
[that was said to desertify/australia]
to the bird/swine/flue..sars..aids..the list of govt scare propaganda..runs deep

we have the lie of smoking causing cancer[while caners is ever increasing..and smokers have halved..and asbestosis,runs rampent

[while we base this on docters..reporting..a cause of death
not exposing the real-cause..of the disease..to wit diesal-particulate..wood-smoke..and benzzine..that was dumbing-us down
while benzine is a known car-sin-ogene]

its all a huge/scam,..run it through a test-group
then sell us on the most logical-reason..to justify..their new law..or new tax..

or new vacination..instant..bacteria/mutagene]
[that also is mutating-our children..into imbisility[..autism]

that the elites..are doing
is scandalouse

that we elect[give..govt members..de-facto-''powers..of attourinity'
to act in our collective/best-intrests..

while they/actually are doing service to the boys-club..big..multinationalistic..[duel pasport/holding..fat-cats..escaping..the worlds/hell-holes]...

to do treason here..thats beyond reason..or treason
its criminal...

but they sell off public assets..while doubling its price
just to put...their volentary-supper..in a safe-place
while making compulsory-super..contribution..lol
ours..under-pin..the scam..
bying..up their mates..faulse promises

Dear nairbe,

"Surely you see that by the use of robotics and computerisation into the future the elderly will be able to maintain their independence and dignity for longer before a human carer would be required."

Yes, I do see that....I also see that the same innovative society that would provide a non-human entity to assist the elderly to maintain their "independence" and "dignity" is also the one that isolates and segregates them in the first place - what's dignified about that?

Dear Ludwig,
did it never occur to you that it's not just about us humans? So as long as we're doing ok it must be right, hey? In any case we're not doing ok; oops, sorry, I forgot, you're only talking about the quality, who think they're doing ok (who are in fact neurotic shrunken heads)

Dear individual,
the vast majority of ignoramuses are just like you :-)

But hark, do I hear a human voice? 'Tis Poirot, spruiking the heresy that our elderly should be cared for by non-robotic hands.
You do realise, Poirot, that such radical recourse might negatively impact the lifestyles of the carers? I imagine it will come down to economics; in a free market it will come to down to who's the cheapest, robots or bozos on the minimum wage, perhaps we should let our loved ones choose, so long as it's economic.
The real worry with the elderly is that we can't somehow get them to turn a profit, I mean given their increasing numbers and all. There's a valuable resource going begging there that some entrepreneur is sure to light upon. I foresee a future when the elderly will be intensively farmed by cheap robotic technology, scrupulously humane of course (or at least a simulated version thereof).
Unless those bloody Lefties intervene with their radical ideas. Unconscionable idiots!

Hellow Squeers

Not sure I get your drift.

Could you please elaborate a bit and I'll engage you in a healthy friendly discussion.

Thanks

Dear Ludwig,
I didn't read the whole thread when I posted, only enough to get peeved, including the article. OLO strikes me lately as mostly conservative and complacent, and in such a context I'm a pariah. Reading your posts now, I see you at least acknowledge we have major problems--though not necessarily the author of the article, who doesn't seem to mind that Earth might end up like Asimov's "Trantor"; a dead planet kept habitable for humans via technology, that is encasing the whole sphere in metal-plating and maintaining artificial life supports (for humans) within.
It's parochial and anthropocentric to suggest "People are living longer, healthier and richer lives" when this only applies to wealthy countries and is a major cause of species extinction. Moreover, we may be living longer in the West but our lives are neither "healthier" nor "richer". So-called mental illness, in its myriad forms, is the modern plague and our lives are impoverished in any qualitative sense. We are estranged from nature, addicted to trivial sensation (commodity fetishism), culturally homogenised, and devoid of community spirit. Modern man is proof that evolution is arbitrary, in our case signifying degeneration rather than what in our conceit we call "progress".
What really irked me, I think, is that you and the author seemed merely infatuated with the "paradox" of human "prosperity" (as I say a misnomer in any case) but indifferent in any ethical or humane sense beyond anthropocentrism. Still others didn't appear to even care about their own kind; robot carers for the elderly and an expectant extropianism, as if technological transcendence is the only hope for bestial humanity, rather than its simply practicing moderation and sustainable economy (but these of course are anathema to a system that depends upon excess).
And while Individual blames it all on ignoramus lefties, I see her "Three solutions .... War, decease or birth control" as callous at best and fascist at worst.

Squeers, I appreciate your frustration VERY much indeed.

It is a crying shame that subjects such as this don’t attract a whole lot of attention on a forum like OLO, while vastly less important things get discussed ad-nauseum.

It is much more of a crying shame that this sort of thing doesn't generate great concern in the general community and at the state and federal political levels.

I was utterly dismayed that there was just about nothing by way of policies espoused from either major party, or the Greens, to do with the really big sustainability and population issues in the lead-up to the recent federal election or in the extraordinary post-election carry-on.

Yep, we’ve really lost our way badly. And it is BOUND to end in a great deal of pain.