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Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Monday, 19 July 2010 11:27:13 AM
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POlanski's crime in Switzerland is that he is not a Catholic Priest. The Swiss would not protect him like they have if he was. The usual leftist double standards.
Posted by runner, Monday, 19 July 2010 1:45:59 PM
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Er runner, you must at least have read the opening post to some extent to have cottoned-on to the name Polanski you used in your post, brief as it is, as it does not feature in the topic title at all. Did you by any chance only read as far as the second, or maybe even the fifth, line of the post?
Just to save the Prime Minister's minders' time in wading through yet-to-be-posted irrelevancies, I'll take this opportunity to make it clear that the topic is not about Polanski, crime, Catholic Priests, leftists, or double standards. It is about the abuse or perversion of the course of justice as it may be administered within the US, and the export of that administration of justice by way of a bullying disrespect for the sovereignty and judicial processes of other mature democracies, such as those of Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and Australia, on the part of the USDOJ. In the ultimate it is about Brian Howes, arrest and detention without CHARGE (let alone trial), and whether the Australian Prime Minister, now facing a Federal election, is prepared to uphold the historic protections of our shared British legal and constitutional heritage against the abuse of executive authority, and assist in getting, at the least, an extradition HEARING for Brian Howes. It is my understanding she could do this by trumping the US extradition request for Howes at the last minute with an Australian one. Julia Gillard could do this against a background of a somewhat similar sell-out of a permanently resident British subject in Australia having been done under the Howard government, that of the case of Hew Griffiths. While doing so, she could ponder the necessary implications of the rider to sub-section (iv) of Section 44 of the Constitution for the disfranchisement of all of the 'ten pound poms' and their children and the constitutionality of the 1982 legislation that barred them from the electoral rolls. runner, you missed your time and place in history. AD 32. Jerusalem - The Pavement, the mob. Crucify! Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Monday, 19 July 2010 3:06:40 PM
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Runner, you are dead wrong (as tediously usual).
The priests *Know* when they do wrong, and they presume, as you do, to represent the view of a "god" they demonstrably know nothing about. They even dispense "punishments" and historically "favours" in the name of their "god". The only problem with "they deserve all they get" is that there is no such "god" to make sure. Like runner, they think words written on paper by men are more important than reality (whether "created" by a "god" or not). This is a failing. I am thankful the catholics are *supposed* to be celibate. It reduces the prevalence of the genetic component of their pathology. Hopefully we can do the same for the cultural component. Rusty Posted by Rusty Catheter, Monday, 19 July 2010 10:18:23 PM
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A news article on page 19 of the Sydney Sun-Herald of 18 July 2010 highlights the potential relevance of the Howes case to Australia. That article can be viewed online here: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/designers-jail-hell-as-police-mistake-powder-for-drugs-20100717-10f53.html
Perhaps the most alarming aspect of the article is the claim that despite having made a mistake in having identified the white powder found in Lisa Maree Boersma's car as a methamphetamine precursor chemical, and knowing it was a mistake, the police still refused to drop their charges, charges which if sustained carried a penalty of 25 years gaol! Equally disturbing was this statement in the news item: "the [white] powder was caffeine dimethyl sulfone, a legally obtainable supplement taken by bodybuilders." The similarities as to supply/possession of legally obtainable chemicals, together with drug law enforcement official intransigence in both the Howes' case in the UK, and the Boersma case in Australia, leads to suspicion that a plea-bargaining style of bullying may have been going to be attempted upon Boersma while she still had those unfounded charges hanging over her head. That's what the USDEA and USDOJ have tried to do with the Howes. The commendable decision of the Swiss authorities to refuse Polanski's extradition is relevant, and an appropriate lead-in to this matter, because much surrounding that extradition request has to do with the evils of plea-bargaining as it may be used in the US to advance certain careers at the expense of the liberty of innocent citizens from within, but more importantly, outside, US jurisdiction. The Swiss seem to be waking up to this 'system'. I suggest it is time Australia does, too. Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 11:16:31 AM
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The Swiss may also be waking up to possible compromise of their governmental and electoral processes in the IT area, following the Trojan Horse discoveries in the Swiss Foreign Affairs department's computer system, to which I made reference in the last post to the now archived 'Polanski conundrum' thread. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3093#74752
It is my understanding that the Swiss have been experimenting with computerized elections. I am uncertain as to whether that is in the areas of vote casting, vote counting, electoral roll management, or all three. I would certainly not be surprised to learn that it might at least be in the area of electoral roll management, for it was from Switzerland that the Australian Electoral Commission (or its outsourcee) imported its optical mark recognition (OMR) scanners, first used for the 1987 Federal elections. Hermes Precisa is, I understand, a Swiss company, one which I presume to be, or have been at some point, related as a parent-company to Hermes Precisa (Australia). Hermes Precisa (Australia) Pty Ltd had a role in the introduction, in the mid-1980s, of the unique-to-polling-place certified lists (and its associated OMR scanning of the marked-off electoral rolls) now routinely used for the conduct of Australian elections. I think for a number of years Zygmund Edward Switkowski was the Chairman of this company at a time when he was also a senior executive of Kodak (Australasia), but whether this means that Kodak have, or had, a controlling, or for that matter any, interest in HPA I do not know. Funny how a TV dramatization can bring matters from the past to mind. The airing of the docudrama 'Hawke' in recent days has brought to mind the $60 million of Australian taxpayers funds that was made available to Kodak in 1986, Kodak having at that time a significant presence in the electoral division of Wills, in Melbourne, Hawke's old electorate. There would have been obvious local employment implications to Kodak's presence there, if jobs is what those taxpayers' funds were used for sustaining. A Swiss connection. How's that? Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 2:33:26 PM
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Time is running out for Brian Howes, Julia.
It may well be running out for you, too. A week being a long time in politics, as you know only too well, is bad enough, but you are facing another four of these time-honoured measures of time before you know your fate, and that of your government. Anything could happen in that time, electorally speaking. Might it not be wise to do something good while you are still PM, while you still can? Why not issue the order to set an Australian extradition request for him (and his wife and children) before the UK government as a matter of urgency. He has not even been charged with anything in the UK, let alone been tried, and then found guilty, yet he and his wife both have lost their liberty while the USDOJ tries to extort a confession to something that is a crime only in the USA from him under their stinking plea bargaining system of 'justice'. You would be upholding time-honoured principles of British jurisprudence in creating the opportunity for him to have at least a hearing in an unprejudiced court in an unprejudiced country. In the US they have him tried, convicted, and sentenced to life before he has even fronted any court. Just read the 'Arizona Narcotics Officer' magazine article from 2007, if you doubt it. Looking at it somewhat differently, should the worst come to the worst for you in four weeks time, you will have left your political opponents with any embarrassment, judicial or diplomatic, that may have been incurred. If you win, success at such extradition would be a badge of honour for you. If you are truly driven by indignation at injustice, that is. I've been thinking about badges of honour, courage, and shame, a bit recently, Julia. See: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3807#93736 I wonder what badge you will be able to be proud to wear? Don't let these coming days be ones that, once all is known, will disappoint the Australian people, Julia. Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Sunday, 25 July 2010 11:21:14 AM
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This is a link to a downloadable PDF document named 'red-dragon pdf': http://bit.ly/3FxZFO . It is a 2.5 MB file, and downloaded on my 512/256 MBPS ADSL service in a matter of seconds. It was a link within a linked page to one of my earlier posts in this thread, and is perhaps somewhat buried.
The content of the document is a copy of 'The Arizona Narcotic Officer', the official magazine of the Arizona Narcotic Officers Association, winter edition, 2007. At page 8 of that edition commences an account, titled 'Operation Red Dragon', of what essentially is the case against the Howes', presented in a manner that I should imagine would be highly prejudicial to any chance of them receiving a fair trial in the US. For the benefit of OLO viewers (whoever they may be), I have posted a series of Twitpics of the relevant pages of this document. The article claims an Australian meth lab to have been shut down as a consequence of Red Dragon intelligence provided to Australian law enforcement officials. Australia has an interest in this whole matter. http://twitpic.com/2b370k http://twitpic.com/2b37ty http://twitpic.com/2b38h0 http://twitpic.com/2b398s http://twitpic.com/2b39sy http://twitpic.com/2b3aqd http://twitpic.com/2b3bdk http://twitpic.com/2b3c0a The precursor chemicals supply problem for the USDEA, so far as it relates to sources within the UK, is surely a matter for diplomacy between the US and UK governments to the end of harmonising the respective laws. What Howes is alleged as having done was not an offence in the UK at the time (or since?). The Howes' are in the invidious position, if extradited and subsequently pleading 'not guilty' before a US court, of facing life in prison if nevertheless found guilty by a believably prejudiced jury (presuming they even get a jury trial). If that happens, the family's five children will be put up for adoption. The 'evidence', such as it appears to be, seems heavily reliant on claims as to internet traffic pointing to the Howes' guilt, and we all know how manipulable digital information can be. Whole cases can be fabricated if based on such information alone. Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 9:54:44 AM
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As I said when I started this thread, I 'follow' swissinfo_en on Twitter. swissinfo_en just recently tweeted this link: http://bit.ly/aWSZVl
It is a news item dealing with the resignation of Hans-Rudolf Merz, the departing Swiss Finance Minister. A quote from that item: "“He was the best finance minister in Europe because he balanced the budget during a very turbulent period,” Hans Geiger, emeritus professor of Zurich University’s Swiss banking institute, told swissinfo.ch" Despite that performance, there is also in the news item this observation: "Under pressure from the United States, the G20 group of the world’s most powerful countries, the European Union and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Switzerland has been forced to concede ground during a global crusade against tax evasion. First, Merz was obliged to renegotiate a host of double taxation agreements with various countries. But more damaging to the reputation of Swiss private banking, Switzerland also complied with US demands to hand over details of UBS clients. The decision taken last year was hasty and ill-considered, according to Geiger. “There was no urgent need to do that and Merz’s department handled that very badly,” he said. “Switzerland has always promised clients that their data would be protected. It was a bad moment in Swiss history.”" So notwithstanding Merz' being regarded as the best finance minister in Europe, it seems the Swiss value their history and reputation even more highly. Merz is now gone. It can only be hoped that this departure is a portent with respect to the upholding of the historic rights of accused persons under British law that those rights will be protected wherever possible, by whoever possible within the realm of that system of British law, over against some ill-considered terms of a recent treaty meant to deal with terrorism, not the open slather extra-territorial applicability of US law to foreign nationals in their own countries. Could it be a portent applicable to Australia? Perhaps someone should ask Gordon Brown that question. He may have remembrance. Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Monday, 9 August 2010 4:51:05 PM
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"Polanski visits Montreux Jazz Festival http://bit.ly/bamVUO "
The link is to a news item which commences with this statement:
"Roman Polanski has made his first
public appearance since being released
on Monday from house arrest in Switzerland,
attending the Montreux Jazz Festival."
The news item goes on to say, among other things, that:
"Swiss officials turned down the demand
[for Polanski's extradition to the US],
citing potential technical faults and
saying that their request for access to
confidential testimony had been turned down.
Th[ese] documents would have helped clarify
whether the director of films including
Chinatown and The Pianist had in fact served
his sentence more than 30 years ago, the
officials believed."
This news may be of interest and relevance to OLO viewers, and others, given what arose out of GrahamY's General Discussion topic 'The Polanski conundrum - when is pedophilia forgivable', started on 28 September 2009. It was while contributing to this thread that I learned of the US demand for Brian Howes' extradition from the UK.
It would seem the Swiss have finally sucked it up. See: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3093#73927
Perhaps they got indigestion from eating too much Trojan Horse. See: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3093#74752
And all this so soon after Bastille Day, too!
What about Brian Howes, Julia? If the USDOJ is telling the truth in its request to the UK government, there are grounds (and other reasons) for extraditing him to Australia.
You're Prime Minister in Australia now, and Gordon Brown is no longer Prime Minister in the UK. You wont be creating a problem for a fellow Labour PM. You also can't be accused of creating a destabilising problem for the Australian government (its now YOUR government) as you may have been able to have been when you were only Deputy PM.
You know what people are saying, that you didn't have any independent views under Kevin. Here's a chance to prove them wrong.