i note peter cant post till lunch time tomorrow
thats not a fair shot master

you could at least have rebutted some of his points
fight fair oh master

dont wait till the post limit is reached and have the last say
why did you not rebutt?

...all you simply did..was put an ammendment..
we know should go under every post..by every poster

[hardly worth throwing away a valuble post..to say nothing]
but you made your clear point..

[perhaps revealing too much eh?]
i thought better of you...but guess were all only too human

George,

Thank you for the the Definition of Atheism link posted 9 July 2009. I will offline for a week.

With Church attendance at record lows I would say:
1 No
2 Who cares!

Uog, he can reply if he wishes (post counts are something that have never entered my mind), if he has to wait some extra time so what. I've had to wait extra time; probably most people here have.

Regarding your "rebuttal" comment: Rebuttal is pointless against people such as you or Peter - - - - - - you are both dogmatic "believers", each "believing" you "know" the word of god, even though you disagree with each other. You each present your "beliefs" as if they were the description of FACT. All the facts, logic, information and influence in the world will not alter, or influence, the "beliefs" of people like UOG and PTB. Therefore rebuttal is a pointless exercise in futility.

There's plenty of folks in the world who "believe" that "their" version of god is the ONE and ONLY true god for EVERYONE. You can't effectively debate with people like that because they lack the necessary flexibility and emotional/spiritual awareness to alter their ground. They believe "their" interpretation of god's laws MUST be inflexible (after all they "believe" the laws come from god), and they possess an incapacity, and/or lack of will, to understand anything else.

One can't debate effectively against ignorance.

Dear Constance,

“Are you now dismissing even your own ethnic clannish background?” – C

- No, I have Scottish ancestors. I recognize my roots.

“Why have you distorted the only point I intended to make and have taken it somewhere unrelated?” –C

- You responded to my comments on the capstone year of 1492, reverting to a period two generations earlier. Isabella and Ferdinand were awarded for their deeds, as I cited.

“And you are still ignoring my statements on Christian clergy helping their fellow man.” - C

- Many clergy would make good humanists, many clergy would not. Father Francis of Assisi was an example of a good man. There a good and kind nuns too.

“The Koran lacks one of the golden rules “Love Thy Neighbour”. – C

True. Islam is more theistic. "Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself." Hadith of an-Nawawi 40:13
- “ Christians do not punish those who wish to convert to other religions.” –C

- Read the history of Rome post-Nicaea (325). The Christians acted towards other religions artefacts, as the contemporary Taliban did against the Buddhist statues. Under Isabella and Ferdinand, Jews whom didn’t convert to Christianity, were killed. Today, several Christian OLO posters are antagonists against other faiths.

- “Do not argue with the followers of earlier revelations otherwise then in a most kindly manner… say: we believe in that which has been bestowed upon us, as well as that which has been bestowed upon you, for our God and your God is one and the same, and it is unto him that we [all] surrender.” Koran 29:46

Cont...

Are you able to differentiate between the lives of Jesus and Mohammad...?” - C

Yes. And, I can differentiate Jesus from Christianity too. I see Mohammed to be more like Moses than Jesus.

I haven’t hitched rides across Muslim countries, yet I have lived overseas for ten years. I have travelled with Muslims thoroughout rural Indonesia and rural Malaysia - In Indonesia there were riots! On one occasion, my Muslims hosts in Indonesia said they appreciated the respect that I showed their country by travelling with them, given there where DFAT warnings, especially as I came alone, while, known to them, my Chinese colleagues were too scared.