Pericles, Daggett:

Here is MY VERY OWN 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORY

Most of the "issues" raised by 9/11 conspiracy theory nutters (like Robert Fisk*) are more than adequately answered in an excellent article in Popular Mechanics, "Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report"

See: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

Many conspiracy theorists makes much of the fact that the temperature at which jet fuel burns is well below the melting point of steel. They therefore wonder how the structural steel in the twin towers could have failed so spectacularly.

The usual answer is that the temperature of the burning jet fuel was sufficient to weaken the structural steel resulting in a collapse.

However, maybe that is not the full answer.

The Twin Towers were built by the Port of New York Authority. Back then construction in NY as well as the Port of New York Authority itself was infiltrated by organised crime. It probably still is today.

So maybe the real reason for the Twin Towers' precipitate collapse is that there was not enough steel in the structure to begin with. Or maybe the steel was of an inferior grade. Maybe the cash equivalent of the difference between the steel that ought to have been used in the construction of the twin towers, and the steel that was actually used, is sitting in the bank accounts of a few Mafia dons and the building inspectors who were paid to sign-off on inferior construction.

Think about it.

The conspiracy theory nutters ask you to believe that an administration made up of people so inept that they are incapable of wiping their own backsides plotted and successfully executed 9/ 11.

I am asking you to believe that the Mafia conducted a successful scam.

Which scenario is more believable?

*See http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html

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And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants... except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana...

...Further south in Florida...

President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger...

...In New York...

World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously...

While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the 'New Pearl Harbor' catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination...

And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports...

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Pericles wrote, "Really, this has nothing to do with the truth of anything, has it?"

Pericles, this is the 9/11 Commission's version of September 11, of course not in so many words, but the essential details are the same. Are you now agreeing with me that this did not happen?

Pericles wrote, "I just wish you wouldn't inflict it on us."

Who's 'us', Pericles?

Whom are you claiming to be more bothered by contributions which challenge the pretext for the current Afghan war than your tedious debaters' tricks and personal attacks?

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Pericles wrote, "I suspect that you are unhappy in your unfulfilling job. ..."

What has this got to do with the topic at hand, Pericles?

I guess it should come as no surprise that someone, who is prepared to peddle the lie about 9/11 that has allowed Bush, Blair and Howard to launch wars that have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, would also be capable of stooping to making such a statement in order to score a point in a debate.

I believe that 80,000 plus Iraqis died so that they no longer lived under Saddam Hussein.
I wonder how many Afghanis will have to die so that they can be saved from the Taliban/Al Quaeda forces?

Stevenlmeyer,

I don't consider Robert Fisk a supporter of the 9/11 Truth movement. I think he moved timidly in that direction for a while, but these days his writings ignore 9/11 Truth. (See, for example, http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-on-bin-laden-at-50-438729.html)

The Popular Mechanics article is total and complete bunk and has been utterly torn to minute shreds years ago.

Why not put some of their 'arguments' onto this forum and see whether or not they stand up for more than five minutes?

As for your theory about the collapses all being the result of the Mafia supplying cheap inferior building material:

If this was the case, do you think it likely that that would have caused the failure of three buildings all on one day and never once before and never once since?

All the material was, in fact, certified as capable of easily withstanding what occurred on 9/11. We know this from Kevin Ryan (http://www.ultruth.com/) a whistleblower who worked for Unerwriters' Laboratory, which, on behalf of insurance companies, certified the quality of building materials.

All the same, there is nothing wrong with putting up such a theory such as yours for a proper investigation to consider.

However, there has never been a proper investigation.

In case anyone is interested, there is a long forum discussion going on 9/11 here: http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/12/saturday-salon-208/#comment-831635

Unfortunately, just as happened at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166&page=83 trolls are intent on cluttering the forum up with personal attacks, red herrings, straw man demolition exercises, etc. but I still think it is a worthwhile discussion.