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Origins of conflict: present and future : Comments

By Stephen Keim, published 15/1/2009

Hamas, democratically elected by Palestinians, has been left with no alternative but to use some form of violence against Israel.

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Seneca,

You don't need a lecture?

I don't need your reproof. ( For using a quote
from what you classed as an 'old' book).
(It was re-printed in 1995).

As for Moshe Dayan comments, he had this to
say in 1967:

"Let us approach them (the Palestinian refugees in
the occupied territories) and say that we have
no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs,
and whoever wants to can leave...and we will see where
this process leads. In five years we may have 200,000
less people - and that is a matter of enormous importance."
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 16 January 2009 7:05:55 PM
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We only need to look at history when nations appease political movements sworn to destroy the rival nation. Stalin's agreement with Hitler and the Nazis which saw the carve up of Poland did not deter the Nazis from attacking Russia. Hamas has a declared intention of destroying Jews, the people of Palestine voted for Hamas, just like the people of Germany in voting for the Nazi effectively voted for war rather than peace.
In wars people die, fact of life, Palestinians made this conscience choice.
Economic sanctions, will maybe if the West had applied economic sanctions against Germany like Israel has against Hamas we would not have had the holocaust.
Whilst there are apologist for Hamas in liberal democratic nations conflict will never end.
Simple rule, play with guns/rockets expect casualties.
Posted by slasher, Friday, 16 January 2009 8:10:40 PM
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What a comparison! Don’t you think many people in the 1930s and 1940s would have wished Germany had the same military capacity to terrorise its neighbours as Palestinians have today?
Posted by George, Friday, 16 January 2009 8:24:07 PM
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"There is no single fixed method for murder
and even for genocide. The author Y. L. Peretz
wrote about 'the righteous cat' who does not
spill blood, but only suffocates. The government
of Israel, using the military instruments of
destruction, is not only spilling bllod, but
is also suffocating...Of course with our
self-righteousness,... we make sure to advertise
how our doctors take care of Palestinian
victims in the hospitals. We don't advertise how
many are executed in cold blood in their homes...
And as one of
the smart Generals told me, "We do not have crematoria
and gas chambers..." Did he ever hear how an entire
people said that it did not know what was done in
it name?"

(Shulamit Aloni, March 2003)
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 17 January 2009 10:33:14 AM
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Stephen.....by what authority do you make this claim?

<<Any analysis must go back at least to the events that forced the British hand, as colonial over lord, to agreeing to the partition of Palestine, allowing the creation of the Israeli State.>>

You are ASSUMING that the status quo up till that time was legal and just.

Was it?

Jews maintained links with Israel from the time of the establishment of the Nation under Joshua, Saul and David..continuously.

There have been invasions (Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians)..exiles.. returns.. more exiles (Romans AD70.. invasions.. (637 Arab Muslims) (1200 Crusaders)

Only a person with a very specific AGENDA could claim 'it started in 1948'.... your claim is an insult to Jews, and Israelites world wide.

You selecting a convenient point in recent history does nothing...NOTHING to uncover the real source of this conflict.

If you read the HAMAS charter..you will see that their claim is BASED on the invasion by Caliph Omar...it is NOT based on the simple presence of Arabs in Israel/Palestine. Hamas sees the issue as decidedly THEOLOGICAL.. read Section 3 article 11 of their charter for information.

So...I'm afraid your shallow analysis is lacking in so many ways it defies every description other than "I have a socialist/left wing/secular humanist/anti semitic agenda"
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 18 January 2009 4:04:39 PM
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Oh..by the way.. your 'body count' of 660 Palestinians at the time of writing.......

is more than FOURTY short of the number of FATAH people killed and wounded by HAMAS.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231950868535&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/0105/1230936654232.html

<<Hamas has facilitated the process of Gaza's militarisation by ousting it rivals in Fatah in a June 2007 murderous coup (one Palestinian human rights group estimates that over 700 Fatah members were killed) and through the political repression of Gaza's population by means of arrests, arbitrary detentions, kidnappings, beatings and killings.>>

700 Fatah operatives and members were maimed or slaughtered by the 'democratically elected' government of Hamas.

While I have sympathy for those who are not in any way involved in Hamas... the sad and tragic nature of war is that when you have an enemy as low and animal like.. devoid of human compassion.. ideologically driven to strip children of all their innocence..placing guns in their hands from the age they can walk.. brutal, evil, cruel and inhuman such as HAMAS....the only solution is the one Israel is doing now... if...they go as hard and far as such a problem needs to be truly fixed.

THIS IS HAMAS.

<<On November 12, a large demonstration dedicated to the memory of late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat was organized by Fatah in Gaza City. With over 200,000 participants, this was the largest Fatah demonstration in the Gaza strip since the Hamas takeover. The demonstration was forcibly dispersed by Hamas gunmen, who fired into the crowd. At least six civilians were killed and over 80 people were injured, some from being trampled in the resulting stampede.>>
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 18 January 2009 4:21:05 PM
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