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Censorship wars: Elon Musk, safety commissioners and violent content : Comments
By Binoy Kampmark, published 24/4/2024While there is much to take Elon Musk to task for, the hysteria regarding the refusal to remove images of a man in holy orders being attacked by his assailant suggests a lengthy couch session is in order.
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Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 8:49:41 AM
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Peter Dutton has indicated that he will support the legislation giving the Australian Communications and Media Authority the power to intervene with social media platforms and content providers who disseminate what is deemed disinformation.
What do those still rusted onto the Liberals think about that? The digital ID Bill was bullied through the Senate. Nothing from Peter Dutton about that. He doesn't have the numbers in the lower house, but some flapping of his wings wouldn't have hurt. It might even have convinced some people that the Liberal Party was still worth voting for. It isn't, of course, but it's the only chance of getting rid of the worst government since Federation: the ultra-Left Albanese abomination. That would at least give Australians the chance to wake up and think about who they are really putting into their Parliament. While Squeaky is chuntering on about Musk “using his billionaire's dollars” to fight his censorship watchdog, remember that Squeaky himself is using OUR dollars to oppress us and what we can say, hear and see. Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 9:20:21 AM
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Disagree.
We do not need thought police or becoming a police state that decides what one can say or think. And clearly, some clergy have earned this imagery! Plus, a bomb in their pantaloons. We have freedom of speech and freedom of the press. We are not Russia China or Turkey we those freedoms are supressed by Dictators! Freedom of expression and or the press is an essential in any liberal, bona fide democracy and the limiting/suppression of those freedoms a prelude to dictatorship! Stick it where the sun doesn't shine Binroy. Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 24 April 2024 10:42:28 AM
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All it is, is sending sequences of electric 0's and 1's down a wire.
Governments should neither support and encourage nor disrupt or give any importance or formal recognition to that crazy hobby of people. And BTW, those who really want to communicate any information between them can do so regardless, the "dark web" being just one protocol they could use and even if that is taken off, innumerable other communication protocols can still be designed and remain obscure over the basic protocols, TCP/IP and UDP/IP, on top of what now has been nicknamed "internet" but has in fact existed since the late 1970's, long before given that name. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 1:13:56 PM
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ASIO and the AFP have now put their oars in, saying that keeping everyone "safe" from the big, bad internet is "reasonable". 'Safe' in Australia now means 'ignorant' of what the government is up to.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 5:34:35 PM
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Dear Ttbn,
«'Safe' in Australia now means 'ignorant' of what the government is up to.» 'Safe' in Australia means safe for the regime, not for the people, ensuring that nothing can overthrow them. Governments are terrorist organisations and understandably they do whatever they can to make sure that they remain the only gang in town. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 8:30:07 PM
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It is fast coming to a climax. very soon some regislation will be needed.
I saw the recent ABC Press Club video. I have sympathy for the task that has presented itself to them. End to End Encryption was the major worry they have. They know that criminals, paedophiles, Islamist terrorist groups are using it to hide from police etc. They do not get co-operation from the Tech companies that own the systems. If they managed to get legislation passed the owners say they still cannot help. I suspect because they do not know the keys. But even if they did force the crims off end to end the crims could encrypt off line and send as a file. I did that many years ago when sending casualty info to police for WICEN (Wireless Institute of Australia Emergency Network) We used PGP which when first developed was thought to be ubcrackable. One guy in the US did crack it, he used 20 computers after work for I think (memory) six months and won the prize ! Posted by Bezza, Thursday, 25 April 2024 5:19:11 PM
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Dear Bezza,
Those who want to encrypt their communications can and will always be able to do so, using their own encryption methods if necessary. Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 25 April 2024 5:25:55 PM
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Yuyutsu
Safe for the regime. Yes, I think that’s not just the government's aim, but also that of the opposition who, if they get back sometime in the future, will be no different from the current mob. The Liberal Party we used to know ceased with the end of the Howard years. Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 25 April 2024 8:03:03 PM
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Dear Ttbn,
It has been long since I stopped differentiating between political parties - all politicians and all governments are the same, all members of the same terrorist organisation. Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 26 April 2024 3:14:16 AM
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Hi ttbn,
"The Liberal Party we used to know ceased with the end of the Howard years." Howard sold us out and signed us up to the UN, he laid the foundations for all this. He was alright in the beginning, but he'd lost touch by the end of it. You may see him as the last of the 'good ones', but he may in fact be the first of the 'real bad ones' and his decisions are the reason why EVERYTHING went down the toilet from that point forward. As for all this Elon Musk and the 'e-Karen' digital ID / censorship business... - Anyone remember when I first came here I said we should build a big prison to some of our leaders in when they screw us. The only thing I can say is that our government is not trying to censor Twitter or Elon Musk content. They are not blocking Elon Musk from sharing his home movies. They are censoring the Australian people from sharing their own content. Lets say I was at the Sydney church and recorded the events? Will the government knock on my door and threaten me if I share that footage, which was legally acquired in the course of me going about my day? Quite possibly, and if that's where we're at then we've gone too far. This isn't about protecting people from images of violence. Anyone watched Netflix lately? - it's about 80% violence oriented. - Movies and TV shows that we all watch everyday. This isn't actually about censoring twitter. Twitter is just a platform, it's the users that share the content. The government seeks to silence Australians, not Twitter. Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 April 2024 6:38:53 AM
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And this requirement that Australia has made is NAZI-like and unreasonable. The Australian government does not have the right to order X to make the content inaccessible globally. The government can only order X to prevent it's content from being accessible in Australia, they can't make decisions relating to other countries; This will mean Australians will still be able to access said content with use of a VPN And the government will continue to go to war with X until Musk bows to the demands of government who expect to have the final say on what content users can and can't share with others or view. Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 April 2024 6:46:39 AM
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Dear Critic,
Yes, the Australian government is trying to silence Australians who tell the truth, that violence has occurred on their watch and they were unable to prevent it. They pretend to be our protectors and they want the naive majority to continue believing them - they cannot afford to have that lie broken and for the masses to realise that they are unable to protect anyone: everyone must get whatever they deserve, good or bad, according to their previous actions - no human (in fact not even angels or gods) can change that basic law of nature. Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 26 April 2024 6:58:11 AM
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Well since they wish to censor us I better do my duty and post some #eKaren and #Albomemes
http://twitter.com/MichaelWestBiz/status/1782980823320580150 http://twitter.com/ARLisOverTheBS/status/1783403629338300829 http://twitter.com/PoliBard/status/1783459234023444892 http://twitter.com/Matt_Camenzuli/status/1782971611186110823 http://twitter.com/BFacist/status/1783243066079576148 (Albo speech with a Hitler mustache - this one might get censored by eKaren due to swastikas in the background... Interesting thing here, the swastika isn't being used to frighten or denigrate Jews, it's to mock authority, to demonstrate government overreach and a totalitarian position against it's citizens. Should it be considered free speech if used in a non anti-Jew context?) http://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1783601925252100404 http://twitter.com/MRobertsQLD/status/1781178048173285708 http://twitter.com/aussiecossack/status/1782458188706861455 (contains swearing) Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 April 2024 9:47:24 AM
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Yuyutsu, I do not think that just anyone can make their own cipher
system, unless some complex mathematical process is applied it would be easy to crack. Look at the early days of it at Bletchly Park during the war. They had to invent the computer to solve the German High Command code. I am sure there are systems that the e-safety people etc will find virtually unbreakable inside their working lifetime. Oh well, I guess they will bring in a regulation that only a particular program can be used to encypher so that everyone else cannot open it ! Posted by Bezza, Friday, 26 April 2024 4:45:32 PM
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Dear Bezza,
«I do not think that just anyone can make their own cipher system, unless some complex mathematical process is applied it would be easy to crack.» Well of course you need to know a bit of computer programming. I made my own to a level sufficient to satisfy my humble personal needs. If I wanted more I could do that too, and I can assure you that the mathematics there are pretty basic. I am not saying that it is unbreakable, but its main advantage over common public algorithms is that it is private and only used to encrypt my own and my family's files, so if someone wanted to crack my cipher electronically, they would probably need to invest around 100 million dollars for which they would gain no other benefit - much cheaper for them to catch and torture me in person. «Oh well, I guess they will bring in a regulation that only a particular program can be used to encypher so that everyone else cannot open it !» Should it come to that, the solution would be to plant the sensitive information inside ordinary files that otherwise look like images, movies, sound-tracks, weather-data, etc. etc. Nobody is likely to even suspect that they also contain extra cryptic information. For extra safety, you could even place the information inside porn clips, preferably illegal porn, so if caught, the authorities will come to believe that what you are hiding ends there... Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 26 April 2024 5:39:54 PM
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Hmmm. yes I can see what you are getting at.
However, I think if the professional crackers with everything they have at hand might take a day or two to crack it. perhaps even a week. The idea of hiding it in other files photos etc are pretty well known. Still someone will make a very hard to crack process and sell it either publicly or on the dark web. Probably it has already been done. The government will ban any other than the approved program. So anything going through would be diverted. A snoopers paradise ! The only way to do it is the way a guy in one of the gulf states got info out a few years back during the last Middle East turmoil. I heard it going on but could only read some of the text. It wasn't on the internet. It was on HF radio. I could tell it was going to Europe but I heard later it was going to a news agency. Who knows, all rumours ? BTW, your uncle knows that "you know who", runs a UHF network. Posted by Bezza, Friday, 26 April 2024 10:51:33 PM
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The Left and the pretend Right are uniting around censorship and digital ID just as they were with the Covid lockdowns, useless vaccines, and the removal of human rights.
The American import, ridiculously named e safety Commissioner, is looking like Public Enemy Number One, but she is just the front for Australians’ real enemies, their own political class.
Our only protection against the all-the-same politicians will come only from very rich people like Elon Musk, who can afford to stand up to them.
Squeaky Albanese's description of Musk as ‘arrogant’ is a joke; we all know who's really arrogant.
Australians are just getting what they voted for.