To OzSpen

I gather from your article that you are a Christian? OK, I don't have a problem with Christianity because it is part of western culture, and the moral code that Christianity imparted is the reason why western societies are much more peaceful and honest than cultures based upon other religions. But I reject the idea that all people are equal. Even God discriminates between those who worship him and those who do not.

Exactly what you are inferring in the rest of your reply is unclear. You seem to associate racism with sin, Hitler and genocide. Your inference seems to be, that even thinking that there might be some validity in racism is sinful and therefore unthinkable. You have set yourself an intellectual boundary that you refuse to think past, because you think it must lead to Nazism and genocide.

By thinking this way, you are thinking exactly like those Christians who refused to consider the validity of the Earth not being the centre of the universe, or whether the earth was round, or whether evolution was a fact. Because to even think about any of these concepts meant that you were denying the holy scriptures, and therefore committing heresy.

For all I know, you may even believe that the earth is the centre of the universe, that the earth is flat, and a committed "intelligent design" believer? But if you are smart enough to realise that those concepts are clearly wrong, and that believing the opposite does not mean that you are renouncing God, then for God's sake do the same with racism.

Just because you might start considering that racism has some validity, does not mean that you have resigned from the human race. There are two racist ideas present in the western world today. The first is, that white western people are cause of all the world's problems and they are vilest race on Earth. The other is, that the reason why some ethnicities are always successful and why some are always dysfunctional, may have a lot to do with genetics

Which idea is correct?

LEGO,

Please read my post again at: OzSpen, Saturday, 6 October 2018 6:31:33 AM

At no point did I suggest any of the red herrings you raised in your last post.

What I emphasised was your favouring the White Australia Policy when the whites are as contaminated like all others – whether black, white or brindle.

The prophet Jeremiah nailed it: ‘The human heart [inner part] is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?’ (Jer 17:9).

The next verse affirms that the Lord God ‘searches all hearts and examines secret motives’. The human race has had this sinful nature problem since the beginning of time (Genesis 3).

You claim: <<But I reject the idea that all people are equal>>

The Scriptures contradict you (and so do I). Scriptures support the equality of all human beings. When God made the first human beings, ‘God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us’’ (Genesis 1:26). Equality among all human beings is God’s design.

<<Even God discriminates between those who worship him and those who do not.>>

That might be how you see it, but when God says, ‘You shall have no other gods before me’ (Ex 20:3), he is demonstrating who He is in the context of the Israelites coming out of Egypt: Ex 15:11 states ‘Who is like you among the gods, O LORD—glorious in holiness, awesome in splendor, performing great wonders?’

This is not discrimination but stating facts:

+ In the Israelites crossing the Red Sea, the miracle of Yahweh allowed them to cross the water on dry land, while Pharaoh and his armies were drowned.

+ Israel saw God’s great power against the Egyptians and in their deliverance.

+ Therefore, the Israelites exalted the one true God. Who is like Jehovah among the gods? No other god compares.

We see evidence all around us of human depravity - from individuals, corporations, church organisations and governments.

I urge you to quit inventing things I didn’t write in my post.

' Even God discriminates between those who worship him and those who do not. '

actually Lego God discriminates between those who believe and receive HIs Son Jesus Christ and those who reject His loving sacrifice. One group receives eternal life while others live for eternity without light, love, peace (ie in torment). I think you know that but its good to remind you in case by God's mercy you come to your senses.

OK, OK, I give up on this topic.

Toni Lavis is such a petulant little snowflake that he will not respond to my post because I accidently spelled his name wrong. Back to your "safe space", Toni. Next time I spell "Toni" as Tony" I will give you a "trigger warning". Jesus, and you wonder why us real liberals think that you psuedo liberals are just ego driven fashionistas. Don't worry Tony (oops, I mean Toni), I won't bother with you again. I thought you might have had a brain. My mistake.

To Ozpen.

I debate using reason and logic. If you wish to use religious texts to justify your amazing worldview, then let's just call it a day. I will note your name and I will not address posts to you again.

To Runner.

I don't believe in Sons of Gods. Mothers of Gods. Cousins of God's. Or Brother in Laws of Gods. But I know that some very decent people have a compulsive psychological need to do so, and I respect that.

As for eternal life, even the stars die.

LEGO,

Your ridiculing Toni Lavis was totally unnecessary. Here you resorted to an Appeal to Ridicule logical fallacy. It is fallacious reasoning and yet you claim, “I debate using reason and logic”.

That’s false!

When you use “you psuedo liberals”, it is not part of a logical sentence!! Why? Logic is needed to form any sentence. You blew it with the misspelling of “psuedo”.

When I use biblical texts, I’m quoting from documents that are reliable and trustworthy, even on a purely historical basis. Take a read of this article from the secular, Huffington Post, “2,500 Year Old Jewish Tablets Discovered in Iraq” (2015): https://www.huffingtonpost.com/simcha-jacobovici/2500-year-old-jewish-tabl_b_6579996.html.

What does this non-Christian source conclude about this discovery? “This discovery is a remarkable confirmation of the historical reliability of the Biblical text”.

My “amazing worldview” is rooted in aletheia (truth) which not only means the opposite of falsehood but also that which conforms to reality.

In the future, you state you will avoid posts by Toni and me. Are you afraid to debate alternate views with reason, logic and truthfulness?

When addressing runner, you dumped your worldview on the readers, “Mothers of Gods, etc.” without explanation.

As for eternal life or eternal damnation, one minute after your last breath you’ll wish you had discussed this further with us, instead of resorting to your Ad Hominem (Abusive) logical fallacy of “compulsive psychological need” and “even stars die”.

Don’t you get it that human beings are not stars?

Wrong again, Ozpen, it was very necessary. I wrote a well reasoned post, which Toni Lavis refused to read because I spelt his name "Tony" instead of "Toni." If that isn't childish and precious, I don't know what is? How is Toni ever going to grow up if nobody points out that he is acting like a spoiled child? In any case, it is obvious that his ego is so fragile and he is so immature that I won't bother directing any posts at him in future. I prefer to debate with people with some degree of intelligence and maturity.

As for pseudo liberals, that is exactly what today's Left wing people really are. They think that they are the intelligent, far seeing progressives, but since when have liberals denounced Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, and evidenced based logic?

Today's leftist activist class are simply social Conservatives desperately trying to shut up criticism of their failed ideologies of Socialism and Multiculturalism. And what I am writing now goes right to the heart of the Fake News topic that was penned by Spencer Gear. The social regressive, pseudo liberals are losing the trust of the public, who no longer trust the pseudo liberal media to tell the truth.

Just look at the farcical, fake news furore over the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice in the USA. By any application of reasoned logic, it is obvious that the charges of sexual misconduct leveled at Trump's appointee by politically partisan activists is a frame up. When the pseudo liberals demanded the FBI investigate, it did so and found nothing. No witnesses, no corroboration, and odd memory lapses and strange behaviour by the accusers. Then the pseudo liberals claimed the FBI was biased.

If the pseudo liberal media want to write fake news propaganda, they have to be more clever. Their present efforts are so bad that they equate with the Korean War Chinese propaganda which presented "spontaneous confessions" from captured US pilots entitled "HOW MY CRUEL CAPITALIST MASTERS FORCED ME TO COMMIT INHUMAN GERM WARFARE ON PEACE LOVING SOCIALIST PEOPLE."