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Reactions to Trump are mostly over-blown and unhelpful : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 1/3/2017

The reaction to President Donald Trump's first weeks in power says more about us than it might about him.

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For an interesting perspective on the appearance of the Trumpenfuhrer check out the essay by Nick Cohen titled Trumps Lies Are Not the Problem Its the Millions Who Swallow Them That Really Matter.

Nick was a very enthusiastic supporter of the shock-and-awe invasion of Iraq brought to the people of Iraq by the coalition-of-the-killing.

Also the essay the Madness of King Donald by Andrew Sullivan

Meanwhile, in my opinion the appearance of the Trumpenfuhrer means/signifies the the future of life human and non-human life on this planet has been well and truly trumped.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 10:56:38 AM
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Trump is not a globalist, that's why the deep state want him gone.Trump is sending mixed signals and most including myself are confused by his words and actions. Even Russia who endorsed him are now having reservations.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 11:54:27 AM
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Don't dwell on Trump. The people of looking into the case for abolition or amendment of Section 18C have "squibbed out" (The Australian) of doing anything about the rotten, authoritarian piece of trash legislation. Looks like we are stuck with it until we get a decent, freedom-loving mob in Canberra e.g. One Nation. Labor and Liberal don't give a damn about freedom of speech.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 12:27:10 PM
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Freedom of speech needs to include unintended offense, so 18c might be tweaked to ensure it's allowed.

But never ever, harass and or vilify!

The standard practise of the banner waving homophobic and anti-abortion brigade? And demonstrably therefore, why "they" to a generic man, want 18c abolished!
Alan B
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 1 March 2017 12:58:17 PM
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Perhaps it was inevitable that in a country characterized and controlled by junk culture, junk food and junk "reality"-TV, or in which every aspect of mass "culture" has been Mc-DONALD-ised that the DONALD has now been elected.
The people have elected someone in their own TV created image.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 2:10:24 PM
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That's so cruel, Daffy.

I started up an "Original Thoughts" file last week, and had nothing until Monday, i.e.

Day #5: Does Trump and his cabinet represent one segment of the educated classes ? Crudely, its segments are made up of: (a) those bureaucrats, academics etc. who are in positions, blithely secure, doing okay; (b) those to the 'Left' of this group, not in power, or having a tenuous hold of it, nursing a grievance about society in general; and (c) those to the 'Right' and extreme 'Right', the business elites, military and not in power (now they are of course) with similar complaints.

Both (b) and (c), not having power, have decided that the institutions of society have to be torn down, to make way for a 'better society', 'a great society', etc., in which they have total power. Neither is remotely democratic. Both are thoroughly opportunistic. Group (c) now has power under Trump, but once in power, obstacles have to be removed, even if it means social destruction. That means elimination of groups (a) and (b).

But group (b) has been around for a long time. Marx himself was a disaffected member and so were Lenin and Mao. Their strategy was to use the lower classes as the battering rams to get into power, and then to use whatever means necessary to stay here. But both groups (b) and (c) believe that they have to destroy society in order to build their Utopia. Their fascist Utopias, as all Utopias are eventually.

Gramsci was probably the most open in setting out this agenda. He realised, after the failure of revolutions in Europe, that the working classes were not going to throw themselves on the battlements in the cause of group (b). So the 'Left', perhaps for the past fifty years, has been denigrating working people, as deplorables, bogans, yobs, etc.

[But wait, there's more !}
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 3:25:52 PM
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