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Nanny knows best : Comments

By Nicola Wright, published 24/11/2016

The big justification for these sorts of Nanny State regulations is the costs to the health system when people need medical treatment due to their poor choices.

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and I quote;

Before the widespread urban growth caused by industrialization, people kept dairy cows even in urban areas and the short time period between production and consumption minimized the disease risk of drinking raw milk.[20] As urban densities increased and supply chains lengthened to the distance from country to city, raw milk (often days old) became recognised as a source of disease. For example, between 1912 and 1937 some 65,000 people died of tuberculosis contracted from consuming milk in England and Wales alone.[21] In the early 1900s, in Arizona, Jane H. Rider "publicized the link between infant mortality and contaminated milk, and finally convinced the dairy industry to pasteurize milk."[citation needed]

Developed countries adopted milk pasteurization to prevent such disease and loss of life, and as a result milk is now widely considered one of the safest foods.[
Posted by Wolly B, Friday, 25 November 2016 5:35:33 AM
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>If Australia society wishes to accept a socialised health care system for the benefit of >us all, then let's also embrace the idea that human freedom and dignity requires that >we retain our autonomy and remain free to take risks. Let's stop using 'burdening the >health system' as a justification for controlling people's lifestyle choices.

Nicola you are a very dangerous person.

Australia's soils are low in iodine, so the salt we use has iodine added, low levels of iodine;
Goiter: Very low levels of iodine intake (50µg/day) are associated with goiter, which presents as an enlarged thyroid gland. Other symptoms include dry skin, fatigue and hair loss.

Cretinism: Severe iodine deficiency (30µg/day) during pregnancy can lead to cretinism in infants. This syndrome is characterized by mental deficiency, Spastic Diplegia, deaf mutism and shortened stature.

It was once common practise for butchers to add sulphates to spoiled meat and sell that meat to the poor.

We have building codes Why?

To try and stop our houses from falling down.

We have electricity standards Why?

So we don't get electrocuted

We have road safety rules Why?

To reduce the road toll as well as colect revenue for the government.

Ever noticed in low taxing America, that people get fined for lots of things.

We have regulations to do with pharmaceutical drugs, Why?

To protect you and me from adverse drugs.

We have OH&S regulations Why?

To try and reduce the injury rate at work
Posted by Wolly B, Friday, 25 November 2016 5:49:45 AM
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WollyB,

Building codes, industry standards, best practices, laws, regulations and the whole system of policing, administering etc all work well in theory, but there will always be someone who disregards the system at their peril and there is always someone willing to rort/abuse 'systems' for advantage.

The current situation whereby each and every mine site has its own 'Safe Systems of Work" i.e. Locking on to isolated plant to carry out work/repairs is a nightmare. XYZ mine company may use individual keyed purple locks with the paperwork accompanying needing to be signed on and off at completion, but ABC mine company will require individually numbered locks (all keyed alike) with blue covers and paperwork signed at start of shift but not signed off at completion. Even the definitions of Confined Spaces have been modified on some company sites, who are given exemptions from Worksafe.

The discrepancies evident create confusion especially when you have mobile work forces who may work on many different sites in a given month. Then there is the toll upon those working FIFO.
See:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/thefeed/article/2015/04/09/lost-miners-tragic-toll-fifo-work

& https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/government-wants-answers-after-17-deaths-in-mining-2/

The whole OH&S industry that sprung up like weeds during the mining boom was a prime example, with courses for ABC company costing several thousands and yet XYZ costing mere hundreds. There was at one time a uniform certificate called the MARCSTA which allowed you to work on all WA mines, gold, iron ore, copper and so on.

Go 10 klms down the road to ZZZ mine and it may be totally different again with reams of paperwork to fill out before you even get near the actual job at hand, with one paper tag tied through a hole in a switchboard "protecting" you.

As I posted earlier on OLO...safety is: "A risk mitigation strategy designed by lawyers at the behest of insurer's to minimise the losses to ordinary shareholders."

In today's NT News I read that 12 workers at Newmont Granites mine were hospitalised.

Even the 'Nanny State' won't protect you with its manifold rules, regulations and laws...you are on your own when it comes to safety, believe me.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Friday, 25 November 2016 11:11:08 AM
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Even the 'Nanny State' won't protect you with its manifold rules, regulations and laws...you are on your own when it comes to safety, believe me.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Friday, 25 November 2016 11:11:08 AM

I agree with what you have written.

Watching one of the documentaries on the building of an american dam, the death toll was horrific by todays standards.
Posted by Wolly B, Friday, 25 November 2016 11:17:29 AM
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Indeed Nicole. We're all here for a good time not a long time.
Unfortunately we've an ongoing problem with parlimentarians too afraid to say no when asked to support ever more meddlesome rules.

A M in D. Yep. I call it the regulation industry. Every underhanded salesman's out for a slice of it.
Can't sell your product on it's merits? No worries. Just claim it provides improved safety over existing products and like magic it instantly becomes the new standard everyone needs to buy.
Saw it myself as a younger bloke working at a prominent log trailer manufacturer. The owner loved showing his new latest design features to transport bureaucrats and discussing potential new standards.
Then worked as an industrial crane technician and inspector. That was all about standards compliance. A very large part with that employer was to use standards compliance to make the customer believe he had to pay for upgrades. Damn criminal imo. Didn't stay long in that job. It didn't sit right.
Posted by jamo, Sunday, 27 November 2016 12:47:19 AM
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Apologies Nicola for getting your name wrong in my post above.
My bad.
Posted by jamo, Sunday, 27 November 2016 12:50:46 AM
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