runner, just how do you imagine they could do that?

Hi Aidan,

Yes, lawyers wanting to apply the law. And they lost. Bad news for ambulance chasers.

Hi AlanB,

Empathy ? You mean, for Aboriginal women and children ? For whom then, if not them ?

Or for boozers and beaters of women and children ? i.e. ultimately, of course, for the entire Coombsian model ? It's bankrupt, Alan. 'Communities' are in their death spiral, taking women and children with them. Appalling.

Do you have a shred of empathy for them ?

Joe

Free speech is under very intense attack in Europe.
Even threats that if you do not watch what you say or write on the
internet you will be prosecuted but if it is not against the law you
may still have your children removed.
Find it hard to believe ? So do I but read this;

http://tinyurl.com/h7j4x57

All this because some Germans have criticised the immigration that has
occurred from the Middle East & Africa.
Makes you wonder if the Gestapo is back in action.
Gillian Trigg would be right at home there.

Are we really that far behind ?

Loudmouth. "mortality rates for Indigenous children are 4-5 times higher than for other Australians. Given that working/urban Indigenous people make up more than half of the total Indigenous population, and have roughly the same mortality rates as other Australians, this suggests that the mortality rates in remote settings is at least ten times higher than for non-Indigenous people."

You are right, and if things don't change, which they probably won't judging by past experience, there will be no autonomous surviving Indigenous people in outback Australia in the not too distant future except for the ones in various state institutions. Their effective rate of reproduction is too low and their mental capacity has been compromised because of foetal alcohol syndrome.

The ones who will be saying "Sorry" should be those Aboriginal leaders
who are allowing this to happen.

David

Sorry if this is off topic.

https://www.dpmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/publications/indigenous/Health-Performance-Framework-2014/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-health-performance-framework-2014-report/key-findings.html.

This document makes interesting reading. Unfortunately, most of the conclusions it arrives at are flawed because it fails to take into account that on a broad scale, there are two completely separate classes of Aboriginal, one lot urban and the other outback. This just makes a nonsense of its optimistic projection for the future of outback Aboriginals.

David

Hi David,

Yes, you're right, the 'averaging' of data by government agencies (the ABS would be the biggest culprit) of very different sub-sets of data completely confuses the picture. Sometimes trying to find actual numbers can be maddening: often, agencies will cite percentages, which are bloody useless unless you can find an actual number to compare them with.

For example, of the forty thousand Indigenous university graduates now, perhaps one thousand might have come from remote 'communities', maybe much less. Graduates certainly may have links to remote 'communities' but have barely visited, let alone grown up in them. And so it's going to be into the future, until the remote 'communities' are eventually abandoned to the pensioners and a few hangers-on.

Three Aboriginal women made presentations at the National Press Club, speaking on 'community' violence, yesterday: Jacinta Price, Marcia Langton and Josephine Cashman. I thought Jacinta was by far the best, the most original and the most courageous speaker - the other two ran through the usual tired, hackneyed stuff, with no solutions. Jacinta has seen 'culture' up close and first-hand, while to the others it seemed to be an abstract concept, which they would support 100 %. Not so, Jacinta: she was able to bring reality and perspective to the discussion, suggesting that violence is very real, and that much of it is a carry-over from violent practices embedded in the culture, perhaps distorted but they needed drastic change.

I felt a bit sorry for the other two: since they lean towards the 'Sovereignty' model, which presupposes - has to presuppose - that all is rosy out in remote 'communities', they found themselves cutting away at their very own political foundations. They really had nothing to offer, except maybe more government money and involvement, which has obviously had, shall we say, modest results in the past thirty years.

One got the feeling that a new broom was about to sweep through the halls (and brains) of the elites, if Jacinta was any guide. And not before time.

Joe