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Telstra and growing corporate activism : Comments

By Rod McGarvie, published 21/4/2016

80 Chief Executives, including Apple’s Timothy Cook, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, and the head of the Bank of America also joined in on attacking the new law.

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Just another religious nut, It's got nothing to do with the validity of corporations using their money to push agenda's and everything to do with the author not likely what their saying.

If Paypal was run by religious nuts opposing treating LGBT then the author would be applauding them.

ring ring ring...it's the 1600's Rod they want you back.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Thursday, 21 April 2016 9:04:49 AM
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Private companies can support whatever they like, after all, there's nothing stopping churches from establishing an ISP of their own for Christians to voluntarily sign up for that filters out some of the more questionable stuff, and thereby, runs much more quickly and reliably.
Posted by progressive pat, Thursday, 21 April 2016 9:31:34 AM
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The alignment of corporate interests with the trendy causes championed by social justice warriors (SJW's) should come as no surprise.
Over the last 30 years, a New Consensus has emerged and now dominates what passes for public debate in Australia and elsewhere.
What is this New Consensus, you ask? I see it as a kind of truce, called by the traditional parties of the left and right. A truce that let's them both 'win' on issues that matter most to their donors.
The neo-con right gets free trade, access to cheap labour, higher returns to shareholders and an avoidable tax regime. They dominate in the economic sphere, where their supporters are chiefly focused. The left gets a better deal for minorities, higher levels of immigration, tougher environmental regulation. They drive and dominate debate on social issues.
Global corporations obviously recognise the emergence of this trend and see the advantages of working with it. 'Down with borders' is a slogan that works for Green Left Weekly and CocaCola Amatil equally.
Of course, both 'sides' will pay lip service to debating the positions of the other, for the entertainment of the media and to engender the facade of a healthy democracy. But in reality, whoever you vote for - you get the New Consensus.
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Posted by jingelic, Thursday, 21 April 2016 9:47:27 AM
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And the customers of these corporate perverts are the ones paying for their disgusting programs, just as it taxpayers paying for governments pushing their perverted encouragement of little perverts. At least we can withdraw our custom from the private perverts; no such freedom with the political perverts.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:49:04 AM
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If I stole from Telstra, I’d be arrested, but Telstra feels free to support the campaign to steal the word “marriage”. It does not campaign for proper school funding, a first-class health system, the civil rights of unionists, decent treatment of refugees or anything real. Nor has its campaign to deprive the language of a word that means the union of a man and a woman got anything to do with civil rights. It did not lead the charge. In a sickening display of mob rule and like most self-righteous “same-sex marriage” advocates, it jumped on the bandwagon ten years after it had left the station, when it could be confident that its customers had already been converted to the cause by the brilliant and ruthlessly dishonest “marriage equality” campaign.

I don’t want to live in a corporate state in which billion-dollar businesses tell us what to think. But if that is what Australia has become, then I demand that Telstra support my campaign for funeral equality. Funerals discriminate against the living because you have to be dead to have one. Here’s Telstra’s chance to lead change, to be first on the next bandwagon of airheads.
Posted by Chris C, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:52:56 PM
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If the disappointing Turnbull survives the Election. If Turnbull survives the leadership challenge from Abbott...

I don't think Turnbull will push for Same Sex a compulsory, expensive, Referendum.

Turnbull knows that he would lose too many votes from the heterosexuality majority.

LGBTQQI is such a tongue twister.

"Safe Schools Coalition Australia is a national coalition of organisations and schools working together to create safe and inclusive school environments for

same sex attracted, intersex and gender diverse students, staff and families.

It is funded by the Australian Government and, in Victoria, by the Victorian Government."
http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org.au/who-we-are
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 21 April 2016 1:27:30 PM
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Newly liberated children, courtesy SAFE SCHOOLS and Telstra, my be interested in this less than safe situation:

ABC News, April 21, 2016 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-21/transgender-hiv-court-case/7346196

Headline "Sex worker charged with infecting a client with HIV refused bail"

PHOTO: Clayton James Palmer, accused of transmitting HIV to another person, was extradited from NSW to face trial in Perth. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/7185934-4x3-340x255.jpg

"A Perth magistrate has refused to grant bail to a transgender sex worker because she refuses to accept she has HIV and may put other people at risk if she is released.

Clayton James Palmer, who identifies as Sienna Fox, is facing a charge of causing grievous bodily harm to a client, whom it is alleged she infected with HIV after several sexual encounters in 2015..."

Not Gay at the end of the Rainbow. More like fodder for the Grim Reaper's bowling ball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U219eUIZ7Qo
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:54:23 PM
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I never thought I’d agree with a Family First member, but the author has a point. It is a danger to both free speech and democratic process if corporations use the threat of serious economic harm to persuade governments or institutions to adopt the corporation’s preferred social policies, when those policies have little or nothing to do with the corporation’s core business or its shareholders’ direct interests. I recall a few years ago the ANZ withdrew advertising from this site because it disagreed with an article published here. I happened to disagree with the article too, but was appalled that a corporation would abuse its economic muscle to stifle free speech that way.

Perhaps the more interesting question is why corporations do it. Doubtless there are some CEOs and boards that like to use their organisations’ power to further their own ideological hobby horses. But I suspect there is more to it than that. In these days of twitter hash tag campaigns, virtue signalling* seems to be a growing feature of individuals’ and corporations’ public persona. The publicity these measures attract is a cheap and easy way of saying ‘look at us, we’re good’. It’s far cheaper than actually doing something good, but with most of the reputational benefits.

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http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/i-invented-virtue-signalling-now-its-taking-over-the-world/
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:57:59 PM
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It really doesn't make any difference to most LGTBI whether Telstra bows to the pressure of an extremist religious organisation. I guess many of them are probably in the Catholic faith on the extremist side. After Panama, it's probably a blessing for any group to distance themselves that are implicated in offshore fraud. Especially companies that bow to these religious nutters who could be the same religious nutters who are pedophile enablers, as have been exposed in the Royal Commission, especially in western Victoria. I'm sure any decent LGTBI would, of course, distance themselves with what could be a company that dabbles on offshore money laundering, as does Turbull with his account in the Cayman Islands. But also distance themselves from pedophile priests. I guess this is what a post above meant by "companies supporting perverts". Yes, we know all about the Catholic Priests. But do be kind to the Church. The Pope is at least half decent. He even supports Bernie Sanders, so I guess we have a good Pope. And the Safe School's Programme? It's really about bullying. It is not about promoting LGTBI. If anything, it shows the difficulty of LGTBI and their vulnerablility to being bullied, and no kid wants to be in that situation. And I would say no kid really wants to be gay either. It doesn't work on choice, never did, never will. But peace, safety and decency must prevail :)
Posted by saintfletcher, Thursday, 21 April 2016 3:47:42 PM
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Speaking of corporate activism, especially of the behind the scenes variety, hasnt anybody ever heard of the IPA here in Australia, which is laughably classified as a charity, and therefor supported by the ordinary taxpayer, because corporate donations are tax-deductible.

Or of the all-over-the-place-tentacles of the Koch brothers in the USA, and of ALEC too: http://www.alecexposed.org
Or of the book Global Spin by Sharon Beder which describes in great detail the activities of the global corporate SPIN (propaganda) machine.
Or of the ultra-conservative Christian outfit The Family the global-reach of which is described in the book The Family by Jeff Sharlet. The Family also operates here in Australia.

Or of the behind the scenes manipulations of Opus Dei as described in various essays on the Open Tabernacle website.
Meanwhile of course the "catholic" church runs the worlds largest privately owned PROPAGANDA machine, the tentacles of which reach into almost every village on the planet.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 21 April 2016 8:03:51 PM
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Gawd, the world is going stark raving mad !
There are now people in academia who are trying to implement the idea
that sex is not binary, ie male or female and you can set your bit to 1 or 0.
No, it is analogue, it can be any variation in between, and society
MUST and WILL cater for this idea.

It appears that this bit of airy fairy nonsense has originated in
US universities and the locals are taking it up as the latest social
advance in philosophy. Do we now have to allocate on a scale of
one to 10 or one to 100 what is our sex ?

If it is one in 10 we will need ten different toilets ?
If it is one in 100 ...!
No they say, we will only have one.
Oh I see then we will not need women only carriages on trains even
though we do not have them YET !

The demand for protected space for women students in the universities
will end up requiring women only space on trains.
Note the problems with aboriginal safe space in Brisbane Uni computer rooms !

I am beginning to believe that Islam might have something there !
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 2:13:35 PM
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