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West Papuans testify : Comments

By Jason MacLeod, published 15/1/2016

We want you to travel with us to the sites of the massacres. We want to testify about the killings and the beatings with rifles.

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Bloody hell!
What a charming lot the human race are.

Yes, the black cultures do show themselves to be more ignorant
And less capable of civilised behaviour, and the just,economic,running of countries.
We've been throwing aid money at them for decades, yet they seem incapable
Of building even a ruddy decent water pipeline and so people must drink dirty
Disease riddled water.

West Papua, is a prime example of what happens when you can't defend yourself and your country. Forget this brotherhood of man rubbish, and love and peace brother talk.
Those things don't exist in any real way.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 16 January 2016 3:45:44 PM
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Better to be Capitalist and honestly making a Quid to live with than a Socialist and covertly chasing power so you can take what yothers live with.
Posted by McCackie, Monday, 18 January 2016 7:54:57 AM
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If any want to understand the sad history of UN sanctioned travesty of 'Indonesian colonisation' refer to:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/29/west-papua-independence-history

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-16/five-key-things-to-know-about-west-papua/6625096

[extract:] In October 2011, the Third Papuan People's Congress, a civilian gathering that addressed issues of self-governance, was violently quashed by Indonesian forces. Six people were killed and dozens more injured.
Indonesia guards its "territorial integrity" jealously. And it's no surprise – the massive Freeport McMoran gold and copper mine in West Papua is one of the country's largest taxpayers. [mine has produced US$40 billion]
For its part, Indonesia argues that since West Papua was once a part of the Dutch East Indies, it should also be part of today's independent Indonesian Republic.
Both major Australian political parties support them in this stance.
Indonesia is seen as an important political ally for Australia, and politicians from both sides are loath to antagonise their Indonesian counterparts. Australia maintains close ties with the Indonesian military. It also provides training and funding for its counter-terror police unit, Detachment 88, which has been involved in recent crackdowns on the independence movement.

So do we send over a few platoons of SAS to wipe out the rebel terrorists? - at least that would be consistent . . . $$$$
Posted by Citizens Initiated Action, Monday, 18 January 2016 2:31:28 PM
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It is vile what has happened and continues to happen in West Papua; as vile, cruel, callous and horrible as what every colonising nation has done to indigenous people. What the English did to the Maoris, to the Australian Aborigines, to the natives of every African country, to North American Indians, to Malays, to Burmese is sickening and vile beyond belief. What the Anglo American coalition has been doing and continues to do in the Middle East is as vile.
It’s the result of civilization. All those countries were inhabited by independent, self-reliant people living sustainably in loose groups for two hundred thousand years. Then civilization arose in the ‘West’, making people reliant on others, and that requires money, the lust for which is the cause of looting and killing those who get in your way.
We want the gold in Irian Jaya, so we’ll kill the buggers who try to stop us. It’s simple. It’s human. It’s civilized.
In my opinion Lego and other ignorant racists, independent, self-sufficient men who provide for themselves without destroying their environment, are worth a million times more than civilized gangs who rape, loot, main and kill to get what they want
Posted by ybgirp, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 4:16:16 PM
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Ygbirp
You'll find it is not just Western civilisation that has a bloody history
Most countries have them.

The Ottoman Empire occupied a lot of the Middle East through
Murderous conquest, before the British.
The Ottoman Empire was Muslim.

They slaughtered and raped the Christians living in Damascus, and Aleppo.
Probably the war happening there at the moment with the tribe around
Assad, and the Rebels goes back to those hostilities.

One Rwandan tribe absolutely slaughtered the other. Again, nothing to do
With Europe or the West.

The Japanese killed millions when they invaded China in the years leading up
To the 2nd world war.

When Mugabee and a general who assisted him kicked out the British, they set out
Ethnically cleansing anther tribe there. The general said, "why are we doing this."
I thought only the British did this."

I watched a documentary in Africa a few months ago, and it was stated that 1 in 5
African men admit to raping women.
It is a male problem, not a British one.

The Muslims rape every woman in sight whenever they take a village or city
In a war.

How come all the people from these countries a voting with their hearts
And minds to get into Europe, if it's such a worse place to live in
Then the ones they live in.

It's telling that Isis has to forcibly stop people from leaving, whereas Europe has to put up fences to stop them trying to get in.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 10:13:52 PM
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Cherful, I deliberately wrote, All colonising nations. That included Indonesia in this case, and ALL countries that want to take over others for whatever reason. As for your comment that "The Muslims rape every woman in sight whenever they take a village or city
In a war." I assume you don't mean 'all'... but Australians and Americans, and British have been known to be no better, we only hear about the enemy.
As for: "How come all the people from these countries a voting with their hearts
And minds to get into Europe, if it's such a worse place to live in
Then the ones they live in"
You are off the point. Europeans got rid of the Ottomans, then colonised the Middle East with slaughter as great as that committed by the Ottomans, drew lines across the desert, installed puppet dictators and stirred up so many problems that the current crisis was inevitable. The refugees are seeking shelter in the lands that helped to create the mess. It's no less than the arrogant Europeans deserve. the refugees aren't colonising - yet...:)
Posted by ybgirp, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 7:05:53 AM
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