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Humanitarian intervention: a history of perverse incentives : Comments

By Jed Lea-Henry, published 28/8/2015

As much as humanitarian intervention ought to be a moral calculation, it is ultimately a political decision, and politically it has proven to be high risk with little reward.

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O Sung Wu, I do agree that I would also feel unsafe living in a Muslim country right now, especially as a woman. I have had no wish whatsoever to holiday anywhere in the Middle East or in many African countries.

However, I lived in Southern Ireland during the 'troubles' there, and was frightened at that time then too! I wonder if it seems like the Muslim countries just seem to be going through particularly bad upheavals themselves right now, or whether the Western World is now just involving themselves more closely with these countrie's affairs?

As a complete skeptic, I think the Western world Is far more worried about the oil in that region than anything else, and the Western Politicians know that a good war increases ratings amongst their voters if they feel 'protected' by that Government...
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 29 August 2015 4:57:05 PM
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Susie on line

I disagree with your comment about the West only going to war over the oil.
They could have seized the oil fields in the East and refused to hand them back
To the Arabs at any time.

And if it wasn't for the fact that they are not allowed to bomb civilian towns where
Isis hides they could have destroyed isis in a matter of weeks.
Australia's own head of air forces made this statement on Q&A one night,
But I already had worked this out before I heard it confirmed. It's bleeding obvious
Isn't it, that the most powerful army on earth can't defeat Isis who managed to
Defeat everything in sight in a few short months with their ruthless, give no quarter
Methods. Why can't America defeat Isis and take Syria quickly as a much
Superior fighting force.

Because they are always trying to respect human liberties, even while fighting a bloody
War, for God sake. That's the same reason they haven't just anihilated countries and taken all the oil. They could have in the last 10decades.
What about the Saudi shieks maybe they should sell a few world banks and give the money to the poor Arab or African countries.
I don't think as a civilIan you would take too kindly to having to pay $200 to fill your petrol tank every week plus having the cost go onto all your groceries,
So it is not just the big American oil companies that benefit.
In fact America has forced the oil prices down recently by stepping up there at home production, and converting very rapidly over to gas in a lot of areas
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 29 August 2015 8:06:05 PM
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To the author of this article,
All the ethnic genocide, and people fleeing from ethnic genocide,(the refugees)
Are fleeing from tribal territorial warfare. This has continued unabated across
Human history, the United Nations has failed to stop it or slow it down
To any great degree. And no matter what good people try to do it will
Continue. It's like trying to shut down the sex industry. Can't be done.

Because the two big driving forces of nature, the sexual instinct and the territorial
Instinct can't be permanently shut down, heaven knows they tried hard enough to to close the sex trade but it continues unabated like it has since early times.

I would seriously advise against multiculturalism, given that in the predominantly
Dual ethnic makeup of Germany, one tribe,the Germans, absolutely slaughtered the other And the Germans were one of the more advanced educated people. Didn't
stop them committing genocide though. So this idea that education can stop
This happening is shown to be flawed.

The Muslim religion is fascist, in the fact that they state, they want a Muslim caliphate(state) worldwide.
Now what did the fascist Germans want, all together now, say--- we want a German state worldwide.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 29 August 2015 8:34:09 PM
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It's not all that hard to ferment a civil war in a country. All countries have their political faultlines.You just find the faction that best suits your interests, then you finance and train those factions to stir up all kinds of unrest, so that the ruling government cracks down on them (as any government would do) and ... presto ... you have a full-fledged reason for 'humanitarian intervention' to save civilians from impending genocide or whatever.

The media then goes to work to do its job of making a strong, and largely unchallenged, case for sanctions, no-fly zones, last-minute UN peace talks etc and sending in 'advisors' to help the favoured faction to institute regime change - as if they weren't there all along, but the dutiful media won't go into all that.

What we then end up with is a once-functioning society that is now a shattered and destroyed country, with those civilians on the losing end rendered desperate to leave. Throw in an much publicised atrocity and a few massacres. And ... oh, dear. We now have a refugee crisis. Who would have thought it?

But always remember ... we are the good guys, who always have the best of intentions.
Posted by Killarney, Sunday, 30 August 2015 1:17:14 AM
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Yes Killarney.

What we can expect when good men only need stand and do nothing!

The Muslim Miscreants kidnapping schoolgirls in northern Nigeria, need a world wide reaction, not the painful snail pace inadequate reaction; that allows these bloody minded murderous and worse monsters, to entrench their position behind their civilian human shields!

The best way to treat a burn is drench it in cold water as fast as possible!

Had we done just that with ISIL, when irt was was out in the open and advancing, we could have eliminated this problem with a couple of C130's equipped with multiple mini guns!

And comparable with completely removing a single benign tumor before it becomes Malignant and inoperable, having metastasized.

It's okay to build dream castles in the clouds, but not move in as permanent residents!

Perhaps if your daughter, sister or dearest friend, had been one of those kidnapped, trembling in trepidation girls, used in the most horrible unimaginable way?

You might have been at the head of the queue demanding a hostile blood for blood, with extreme prejudice, reaction?

As like, say a properly planned Israeli action that liberated a plane load of passengers.

We could have taken a leaf out of your book and talked them out, you think, as one hostage was killed by the hour?

The menace of entities like ISIL cannot be understated!

Nor can there be a bloodless solution, however endless prevarication and the usual, let's give priests a chance, can only ever enable the monsters to further entrench an entirely intractable position!

However we need more than precision bombing to avoid repeating the outcome in Libya, where we used war planes; and then with the bombing task completed as far as possible; left the field to more of the same!

We the free world occupied both Germany and Japan for years for good peace related reasons reasons.
Rhrosty
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 30 August 2015 10:47:34 AM
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Rhosty, that all sounds very well in theory, but remember the West tried to tame civil war and violence in both Afganistan and Vietnam for years, and failed and had to leave.

Short of completely destroying whole countries of people in Africa or the Middle East , what would you have the West do? There are millions of people in those countries, and always another violent man ready to stand up for their crazy ideas after the last one has died.

Does the West go over for a spot of rampant genocide ourselves?
Won't that mean we are just like them after all?
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 30 August 2015 11:12:16 AM
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