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Why tolerate religion? : Comments

By Ralph Seccombe, published 19/6/2014

Given the universal human rights of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly etc etc, should there be a separate and additional category of religious rights?

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The point is that miracles, under the classical definition, do and have happened at Lourdes.
There is no scientific explanation for them and any doctor/nurse/medical professional et al can examine the records.
There is no waiting until all the subjects/witnesses are no longer around to give evidence.
In evidence of the above are the two miracles attributed to my distant relative St.Mary MacKillop.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/marys-first-miracle-20101015-16nmd.html

http://www.parra.catholic.org.au/news---events/latest-news/latest-news.aspx/mary-mackillop-s-second-miracle-on-australian-story.aspx

The undisputed fact that only a tiny number are cured out of the multitude that visit the shrine at Lourdes is absolutely immaterial to the cures that have been recognized as miraculous.
Some of these cures include the regeneration of nerves, which we are told is scientifically impossible.

I would be very interested to see a scholarly refutation of any of the Proclaimed Miracles of Lourdes.

Surely someone can come up with a reference; I've even tried Richard Dawkins but he seems to be strangely quiet on the subject.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 23 June 2014 8:53:00 AM
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OVER/FLOW..REPLY\NOTES/..here/catch22.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=15
=re-quote..<<..James Keller..:

«The claim =/that God..has..worked..a miracle..*implies>>
...imp-lies..Recognizes/GOD;good\..thus=good

<<..that God..has/singled out..certain persons..for some benefit>>
...is the delusion/as silly..as saying/the singer..is singing..just-4-me

[god*gives..us/all..manifold..'benefits'..FREELY;..AND\if you went saying chance../or\..accident/automatic\reflex-'reaction\automatism..etc..[some..might/hear the singer]..

others get lost..in/the song..[or/the\score
or/the\chore..lets..GIVE CREDIT/..WHERE..THE CREDIT;..BELONGS..[him/wHO\..RIGHTS..all..;wrongs.

..\$-elective/..bene-fit...\de-nied..
<<..which many..others do-not receive>>
..which..too many..others ignore..thus..
<<..implies that God is unfair”..>>

[but/only/by\;selective/blindness
[the radio/dont sing\//*to/you/..its not/the CD*..[SIC]..*singing

. <<eg.crash/rescue>..might*..for example..indicate/a bad person/unwanted in hell/..is best/kept here..in/This prison/of flesh

<<>.then what..was/he..doing..in Auschwitz?">>

Auschwitz/work-camp..worked people..to death/
LIFE WAS SUB-SERVIENT/TO DEAD/CORPORATIST-WEALTH/
many prayed/that\it end..[and it..diEd///BUT..SLOWLY]..

/but..you\seen/those\who fought/survived/only\..by gods..UNSEEN-hand..[ignoring]..*they..*never asked*..for/re-lease..but strength..to endure*

.
<<...Thus..an all-powerful,..all-knowing/and\just God,>>
*..is given/back\...his due.?

where..?..<<..predicated..in Christianity,>>?!?

<<>and their*[OUR]..precious*god..[HOLY-SPIRIT]>>
remains/there..WHERE?..[HERE/;..for us-all/
with-in..us/all

[no fave-routs/OR\FAV-RIGHTS..,,BUT
but..;..*the heart/loves]=..as the heart/that loves/DOES..

MIND DOES..AS/IT DOES/WE DO...TOO,..SO MuCH MORE..DOTH GOD DO..[to/wit]..ALL GOOD.[god=good][at..lower-levels/butt\of truth..good alone=all/holy spirit.]

god=;the sun.[god..[the/sun]..created..[the heaven..and/ear*th]
holy spirit/created..THE sun..[the spirit..[of god]moved..like the waters..and wind..HOT/COLD..DEEP/DARK/VOID..then god said/[to holy spirit]..[loki]..'let..there be light'[and thanks/be,,to passion]..

there was light..[allowing the seeing
;light reveals..ALL..[know-thyself]..REVEALED/BY]THE LIGHT*.

and god/saw that revealed/by his passion[light]..and it was all good[all god].[its all gOOD OR BETTER]..wanna bet?

we speak/of\..the son..or..the sun
we know*[YOU]..whose dimension[UNI-VERSE/realm]..this is?
[thus we dont speak..'gods'..name/;

we each are..SEED/4\..future suns/of the most holy
ONCE WE GROW..[UP]..GET BIG*GER..AND/learn/to..REVEAL/THE\MANY-FOLD;FRUITS..OF/THE..HOLY SPIRITS..DE*LIGHT.

OR/GO BACK\..TO GO..[IE EARTH]..unless your only needing to correct/SORT..OR SATIATE..;a few..HELLISH-'sins'..[god cant see sin/thus needs..ignore;..the sinner]LITERALLY/HIS;LOVE..BURNS-AWAY..sin..

[after..YOUR/sin=gone..\whats-left/?]
[this realm..is..that place...WHERE/..we/as..MERE;SPECS..
[life/minutia\]..EARN/humanity..[more/will-be-a/given../fore-given.

==.SUE..<<....I don't..share it....any more.>>
ITS/OK-SUE..GOD..loVES..us/ALL*..un-c0nditionally

<<..What decent..god..would send..a baby>>

GOD DONT..'SEND..PEOPLE,,desire/want/need]..
a..WANTed CHILD..[or]..the child..wants*..and god delivers/the asked <<to it's=..chosen/parents,>>

and..most;the time/its ok..but\..some..*timid-spirits/face these material/bounds/and scream..god..take me..;BACK HOME..and..]some[..return home.[most wont./freewill/IS SACROSANCT.

[deciding..they/would rather..correct/the\prior-lesson/based-on their last life..[or infinite/many;other[WAYS]..but/god gifts us all; OUR life/THEN\..what we chose*..to/do wIth-it..IS=up-to..us.

<<..What..does/that\baby..or..it's parents..'learn',>>
the lesson/they asked\OR/NEEDED/to\...be LEARNED/TO..FIND\ passion..passiON../4\..DOING..[WE..learned as/we ear*ned..]

backward/onjab/<<..visited some..of these grotto's..of miracles..in Europe,>>..

lol..[with blinkered-eyes]..[GROTTO-miracle..lol..
GROTTY-SNOTTY...[THY FAITH..[YOU..have healed..YOU...THATS..what co-creation/BY/CO-CREATION-ists..

[you/lot]..are here..to
learn../to\..DO*>....with/passion[pass-it-on].

clue*..<<..but..all..I could see,,>..

was ..affirmation/of\what he..wanted/to]see
hahahaHAHA..HA..[SELF CONFIRMING]..GEE..HOW..$U$$?

ITS..All about\knowing/thy masters..;..voice/sign/quality/the finiteness in..infinity..light;..sustaining..life..that life;.chose.to live/by\love ..and logic...
[adjectives;..].of god..are mind/spirit/eternal/infinite/mercy grace light life love logic licence..warrent/obligato'..to give good..[even for..ill]..BEGGING/WE/will..no ill..do not murder..NEVER/make\ILL.]

[FIGURED..IT..OUT-YET?]
do/no\harm=IS=the charm.

[even/if afraid..of\0ther
OTHERS/will...drive/passion/intention../or\..entente.]
LURID$..is only part/of\the story
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=14
fatima/is\only..just now reaching..its fruition;s.
http://redroom.com/member/frank-sanello/writing/jerusalem-syndrome-a-scientific-explanation-for-miracles-like-fatima-and-lourdes

to get..into heaven/first ye..need forgive[yes;..even/thyne\enemies]
hell/is near all hate.BLAME SHAME/DARKNESS SPITE..heaven is only for the forgiven/BY THEM..HAVING FORGIVEN..;..ALL..WHO/SO\THUS SINNED AGAINST/US\..damm/caps/+\..the.,arty-cull-limits..]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 23 June 2014 11:34:28 AM
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individual & anti-green, do you BELIEVE that the behaviour, definition or sociopsychopathy of a radical, extreme, religious cult matches with left wing politics? is it politics or religion?

And try doing some deeper research on the separation of powers & church.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Monday, 23 June 2014 1:22:51 PM
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Found this little bit from Richard Dawkins on Lourdes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GH9aHTkRRw0
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 23 June 2014 1:45:44 PM
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imacentristmoderate

Sorry, I do not understand your question.
Posted by anti-green, Monday, 23 June 2014 5:04:01 PM
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Can some one tell me why miracles are only associated with the Catholic Church, do they have favour with God that we know nothing about.?
Posted by Ojnab, Monday, 23 June 2014 5:12:15 PM
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