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Pope’s political power play in Palestine promises pandemonium : Comments

By David Singer, published 4/6/2014

It apparently matters not that the Pope can ignore the Fundamental Agreement made by the Holy See with Israel when it suits the Pope to do so.

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I do so admire the consistency of David Singer!
That first paragraph says it all. The Pope is as fallible and gullible as the leaders of the UN, the US, the EU and Russia. Not many uncritical friends left, David. Could the problem be you?
As an aside, I loved the title of this article. Can we p p p p please have more of the same?
Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 8:59:35 AM
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We don't need no more of the same, Halduel.

We need Singer to: "P p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p-iss off!"
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:30:06 AM
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Falsely hosting world leaders to fix Israel's own problems is, of course, a joke.

Did ya hear the one about the Pope, the Ayatollah and the Chief Rabbi?
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:30:06 AM
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A personal predictable predilection for promulgating patent prehistoric propaganda!
Different music, same old Singer; and sung to the tune, "yes we have no bananas"; or,
I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts, there they are standing in a row.
Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head.
Give them a twist, a flick of the wrist, that's what the showman said.
[ Repeat.]
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:37:41 AM
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here we go/again..DAVIDIAN-devils sand/wedge

david-quote..<<..The Pope’s regrettable statement had clearly breached Clause 11(2) of the 1993 Fundamental Agreement between the Holy See and the State of Israel which provides:

The Holy See,..while maintaining in every case*
the right*to exercise its moral and spiritual teaching-office,
deems it opportune..*to recall that owing to..its own character,[spiritual] it is solemnly committed to remaining a stranger to all merely temporal conflicts,>>

and clearly the theft of gods beloved city
by barbarians occupation of the holy of holy..[is spiritual]

<<>.which principle applies specifically
to disputed territories and unsettled borders.>>

and as/you so cLeverly point out
the matter dont seem settled[ignoring the agreement of 68]

<<Can you locate the “State of Palestine” in any world atlas?>>

can you get it through ya head..the topic is israel/violating the matters of spirit with secular bull dust

<<>.Where are its borders?>>

gods land is unbound
heaven and earth meet on isra-hell

<<.. What is its area, population, capitol, currency? Who is its Prime Minister?>>

who gives a stuff..its gods land
and its occupied by demons making war
is it a secular state..or religion..its many things to many people

but if its not gods land
and secular..MEANS GODLESS..GET OUT OF RELIGION

DAVID
YOUR A SCRIBE..for PROFIT..not a prophet.
when will you grasp the metal/and say this is gods..give back to god

the pope knows malchesiadec..its right he pay thyth..in word.
0r by works..HIS ACTIOns out speak your feeble wurds.

rip go back to ya dreams
reality will resume..once the absurd becomes even/more abnormal
god made life/any claiming death serve the dead/not the living god.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:45:32 AM
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Yes Pete, they the three of them, were out fishing together, very early one summer Sunday morning.
Around 6 AM, the plain clothed Pope got out of the boat, walked across the water, and went to his church, returning a little over an hour.
The Ayatollah, mumbled something about needing to pray every day; stepped out of the boat, walked across the water, returning in just over an hour.
This was all too much for the Rabbi, who said, anything you pair of unprintable, unmentionables can do, so can I; stepped off the side of the boat and promptly sank like a stone.
As he was coming up for the third time, the Pope turned to the Ayatollah, and said, Mate, do you think we should tell him, the sand bar is on the other side of the boat!
Cheers, Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:55:41 AM
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Wow you are really stepping into blow your own foot off territory here singer. Just goes to show how desperate israel and its apologists are getting. Their friends and supporters are getting thinner on the ground every day.

singer in what way does abbass's comment
"I’m willing to agree to a third party that would supervise the agreement, such as NATO forces, but I would not agree to having Jews among the NATO forces, or that there will live among us even a single Israeli on Palestinian land." profess hatred of jews?

After all that has been done and considering how peacekeeping works it is no surprise or insult to not accept the current oppressors into a future peacekeeping force.
He did not say no jews could live in Palestine he said no ISRAELIS. Which is just logical. If jews live in the future state of Palestine they will be Palestinian jews. Only someone living in israel can be considered an israeli.

You lot better get you story straight. Are you jews or israelis?
Posted by mikk, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:24:30 AM
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Good one Rhrosty

The Chief Rabbi and the Pope are in a meeting in Rome. The Rabbi notices a fancy shmancy phone on a side table in the Pope's private chambers. "What's that phone for?" he asks. "It's my direct line to the Lord!" the Pope replies. The Rabbi is doubtful, but the Pope insists that he tries it out and, indeed, he is connected to the Lord and chats away with Him for a while. After he hangs up the Rabbi says. "Thank you very much. This is great! But listen, I want to pay for the charges I have used up." The Pope doesn't want to take the money, but finally gives in, checks the counter and says: Allright! The charge was 50,000 Lira.", which the Rabbi gladly pays.

A couple of weeks later, the Pope is in Jerusalem on an official visit. In the Rabbi's chambers he sees the identical phone he has with a direct line to the Lord. The Pope asks if he could use it, because there were some urgent matters he needed to consult with Him. The Rabbi gladly hands him the phone and the Pope chats away. After he hangs up, he says: "Now I also want to pay for my charges on your phone." The Rabbi looks on the counter and says: "1 Shekel 50!" The Pope looks surprised: "Why so cheap!" The Rabbi smiles: "Local call."

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:11:13 AM
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Pope Francis..invites Israeli,.Palestinian leaders
to Vatican peace...talks/

Bethlehem,..West Bank..(CNN)Pope Francis..extended.an invitation Sunday..to the leaders..of Israel..and the Palestinian Authority..to travel to..PRAY-TOGETHER..TOO*MORRA...AS CLOSE/TOGETHER\as..we can..be*[pray/live..with-us/on-line.*

Pope prays/for peace..at separation wall
Pope makes symbolic,..unscheduled stop..in Bethlehem,..and invites Israeli and Palestinian leaders..to the Vatican.
Dalia Hatuqa..Bethlehem, Occupied West Bank..

Pope Francis has..stepped into Middle East..politics by praying for peace..at the Israeli separation..wall in Bethlehem,..and inviting the Palestinian..and Israeli presidents..to visit the Vatican following..the breakdown of talks between the two sides.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/05/pope-sets-up-israel-palestine-trip-vatican-2014525121656783176.html
On his second day..saying the breakdown in talks..between the two sides earlier this year..was "unacceptable".

"In this,..the birthplace/of the..Prince of Peace,..I wish to invite you,..president Mahmoud Abbas,..together with president Shimon Peres, to join me in heartfelt prayer..to God..for the gift of peace," he said during mass..in Manger Square...The offer was accepted by both sides.

He then made..the unscheduled stop..at the Israeli/separation wall, which divides..Bethlehem and Jerusalem...The pope prayed for five minutes near..an Israeli military watchtower,..near graffiti/which read,.."Pope, we need someone/to speak about justice",..."Free Palestine" and a reference..to the Warsaw ghetto.

Mustafa al-Barghouti,..a member of the Palestinian legislative council,..said the pope's prayer..at the separation wall.."will remain in the world's mind/forever..as a rejection of the apartheid wall".

Al Jazeera's Atia Abawi..also said the pope's travel itinerary,..which included going straight..from Jordan to Bethlehem rather/than..through Israel,..was "a nod/to..Palestinian independence"

The Hope*STOPS..at the Wall
http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/pope-prays-beside-graffiti-comparing-bethlehem-to-warsaw-ghetto-altagreer.gif

The children...of Al-Rowwad from Aida Refugee Camp delivered a message to the Pope..when he stopped to pray..at the apartheid and annexation wall...They emphasized prisoners plight.and the right to return home. This impromptu stop/was in my opinion..the most memorable part of the Pontiff’s visit to Bethlehem.

The Pope recognized ..“The State of Palestine”
(Google just did it too!)..each..had a story to tell him..about horrific suffering/under Israel’s..colonial occupation.

social media/was prominent
and the story..could not be ignored. See pictures here
* http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.662587883813204.1073741947.409078369164158&type=1

The Pope/later went on..to Tel Aviv..to be was sandwiched between two Zionist Polish liars..[SECULARISTS?]..who continue to build walls of hate.and destruction:[THE/POX-UPON..BOTH]THEIR..HOUSES]..Persky.(aka Peres)..and Mileikowsky..(aka Netanyahu).

The Pope..had to listen/as both atheists..said that God..gave this land/to the Jews..and that Israel..*was..“the land of the Jewish people”.and is a*.. “SECILAR-ATHEIST/democracy'..[JUST/TRUST-US]..that..*guarantees freedom/of religion”..UNDER FACIST-LORE,.!

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/pope-visits-the-warsaw-ghetto-during-trip-to-palestine/

http://972mag.com/netanyahu-clinton-administration-was-%E2%80%9Cextremely-pro-palestinian%E2%80%9D-i-stopped-oslo/135/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/08/sarkozy-obama-netanyahu-gaffe-microphone
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:32:30 PM
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(Reuters) - Pope Francis and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu traded words on Monday over the language spoken by Jesus two millennia ago.
Related Stories
http://www.news.va/en/sites/reflections
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/tags/pope-francis/
* As Mideast trip nears end, Pope navigates minefield of symbols Reuters



http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/heresies-sprout-from-getting-lost-in-ideas-pope-warns

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/popes-visit-to-holy-land-was-as-realistic-as-this-south-park-episode/ ``
POPE’S VISIT TO HOLY LAND WAS AS REALISTIC AS THIS SOUTH PARK EPISODE

// http://gaschamberhoax.com/treblinka-archaeology-hoax/ Caroline Sturdy Colls' hoax was a rush job to counter the revelation that ground penetrating radar showed no signs of mass graves at Treblinka, and indeed showed underground strata that had remained undisturbed since the last ice age. So Caroline Sturdy Colls was immediately funded to try to find anything at Treblinka that could be used to prop up the official narrative. http://archive.org/details/TreblinkaInvestigation-GroundPenetratingRadarStudy
Here is the ugly reality just a day after the Pope left …

Israel okays 50 new settler homes in East Jerusalem

Settlers uproot 30 olive trees near Nablus

Israeli forces shoot, injure Palestinian in northern Gaza

Israeli forces level land, issue confiscation notices in Salfit

Do You Hate Us; the Jews?
http://bit.ly/1klcqOs

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Int%27l_Arrest_Warrants_Sought_for_Israeli_Commandos_Over_Raid_on_Gaza_Flotilla/35511/0/0/0/Y/M.html
As long as their religion, their culture and their behavior are based on the racist supremacist ideology that the Jews, and only the Jews, are God’s chosen people, that they are the only humans on earth, and the rest of the people are animals created by this discriminative God to serve the Jews, they will definitely and unquestionably face a great deal of legitimate resentment and intolerance.
http://xrepublic.tv/node/9119

http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-shocking-truth-history-channel-cant-broadcast-bix-weir/

http://12160.info/video/dear-censor-bbfc-documentary-video-nasties
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:39:05 PM
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David

Israel's real friends understand that it will never have lasting peace or security until it comes to terms with its enemies. Semantic games and demonising its opponents will make it less secure. Istrael's drift towards hardline extremism is worrying.

Read Guy Hallowes' piece on Mandela on today’s OLO. Compromise where necessary while standing firm on fundamental principles; renouncing violence; understanding your opponents' position; patience; humility; forgiveness and reconciliation. Without Mandela showing these qualities, South Africa could have descended into a bloodbath.

Israel/Palestine still could, unless both sides grow up.
Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 3:34:46 PM
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I just love how religion works.

Rhrosty.....love is the greatest thing ever given by our devilment:).....

Kat
Posted by ORIGINS OF MAN, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 8:48:20 PM
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i note the qyeen made some decrees last night
judgment day continues
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16376&page=1
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 5 June 2014 9:54:48 AM
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#halduell

The problem is not me.

The problem is the following;
"All had plunged into the political mire that constitutes the 130 years old Arab-Israel conflict believing they could resolve it - but ultimately discovered it was destined to become their political graveyard."

Of course none of these current political leaders would have faced the ignominious failure that has befallen them - had the Arabs not rejected any of the following earlier opportunities afforded them - which the Jews accepted:

1. 1922 - 78% of Mandatory Palestine for the Arabs and 22% for the Jews

2. The 1936 Peel Commission recommendations

3. The 1947 United Nations Partition Plan

4. Doing nothing between 1948-1967 to create a third State in Mandatory Palestine with its capital in Jerusalem when not a single Jew lived in those areas after they all had been driven out by invading armies from six neighbouring Arab countries.

5. The offer made by Israel in 2000/1

6. The offer made by Israel in 2008

The Arabs are entitled to reject any offers that do not suit them - as are the Jews.

But where has 92 years of rejection got the Arabs?

It is a brave spirit who ventures into this conflict believing he can resolve it.

The latest - "the two-state solution" - espoused by Obama, Kerry, the European Union and the Quartet - has proved an abject failure.

My following proposal could well be next on the list of attempts to help resolve the conflict:

Direct negotiations between Israel and Jordan conducted pursuant to:
1. The Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the UN Charter
2. Security Council Resolution 242
3. The Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty 1994

It may fail - but what other alternative is left - short of further conflict?
Posted by david singer, Friday, 6 June 2014 11:55:51 AM
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#mikk

You ask:

"singer in what way does abbass's comment
"I’m willing to agree to a third party that would supervise the agreement, such as NATO forces, but I would not agree to having Jews among the NATO forces, or that there will live among us even a single Israeli on Palestinian land." profess hatred of jews?"

Abbas has made it clear

1. No Jews in NATO forces or any third party charged with supervising an agreement between Israel and the PLO

2. No Israeli - of whom 80% are Jews - living on Palestinian land.

3. The 350000 living in the West Bank will have to pack up and get out, No doubt their synagogues will be trashed as happened in Gaza in 2005 and Jerusalem between 1948-1967

Does that sound to you like he loves Jews?

#Rhian

Would that your words came true - but regrettably they won't.

Abbas's refusal to recognise Israel as the nation State of the Jewish people says it all.

Truth is the PLO has never accepted the verdict of the international community as expressed in the Mandate for Palestine that the Jews are entitled to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in Palestine without prejudice to the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities.

The PLO chooses to declare such international law as "null and void"

Until they change this rejectionist stance - negotiations with the PLO are a waste of time.

Their mates Hamas are no better.

Whilst they claim that "that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day" - negotiations with them are also a waste of time.

One thing you can't criticise the PLO and Hamas for - they are being brutally frank and honest in their intentions - as Hitler was when he wrote Mein Kampf.

My question is - why do people continue to support the PLO and Hamas - unless they too hate the Jews with as much venom as the PLO and Hamas?
Posted by david singer, Friday, 6 June 2014 12:32:14 PM
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The man who speaks to you of sacrifice,..speaks of slaves and masters.

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/06/04/understanding-israels-corrosive-influence-on-western-democracy/

And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/chutzpah-epitomized-they-erased-our-land-but-kept-our-recipes/

http://www.john-friend.net/2014/06/jews-demand-more-state-funding-shoah.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-wmd-budget-revealed/5385482

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/181406#.U5CA8XbyQ-A

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/06/the-only-standards-are-double-standards/

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.597130
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/06/65-things-we-know-about-nsa.html

http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/2342

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/shock-medical-law-we-need-to-have-a-short-5-minute-private-conversation-with-your-child_06052014

http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/chilcot-inquiry-iraq-instigated-perpetrators-war-crimes-greatest-scandal-generation/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/sicence-technology/resetting-net-shut-mass-surveillance/

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/06/spying-dissent.html

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/m/?pageid=event_details&edis_id=BH-20140605-44039-GBR

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/monarch-butterfly-decline-linked-to-spread-of-gm-crops-1.2665131
Posted by one under god, Friday, 6 June 2014 1:50:00 PM
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simple SIMON pACT..treason/by act.

NUKE-armed cuize missiles in/SUBS OFF ISRAEL

violate..both the glen act
simoington amendment..cant be botherd checking into it
just thought id note it.
http://xrepublic.tv/node/9262

http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/palestine

http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Posted by one under god, Friday, 6 June 2014 2:05:57 PM
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What is wrong with you singer? Of course no israelis will live in palestine. Israelis only live in israel.
Whats wrong with having a few palestinian jews singer? The same as "arab israelis".

The two state solution is dead thanks to "facts on the ground" and now israel is going to suffer the same fate as apartheid south africa. Settling the west bank will come to be seen as the folly that destroyed the zionist experiment and destroyed israel as an exclusive "home for the jews".
Posted by mikk, Saturday, 7 June 2014 10:57:14 AM
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#mikk

Abbas wants no Jews living in "the State of Palestine" - period.

He wants them all out - as happened when those living there were all driven out in 1948 - unable to return until 1967.

How do you come to the conclusion that Israel is an " exclusive home for the Jews" when 20% of the population is Arab?
Posted by david singer, Monday, 9 June 2014 6:23:29 PM
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The Palestinian people are no more Arab than the Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese or any other of the Semitic peoples of the mid east.
The only common link they have to The Saudi Arabians is religion.

Do you really think perpetrating such a lie is going to work over the long term?

David Israel was created as a Jewish homeland NOT a Jewish State. There is quite a difference you know and you must know you are propagandising a lie.

Why the need for all these lies David?
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 9:26:57 AM
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#To imajulianutter

Your view is contradicted by this extract from the Peel Commission Report (pages 33 - 34)

"This definition of the National Home {in the White Paper} has been sometimes taken to preclude the establishment of a Jewish State. But, though the phraseology was clearly intended to conciliate, as far as might be, Arab antagonism to the National Home, there is nothing in it to prohibit the ultimate establishment of a Jewish State, and Mr. Churchill himself has told us in evidence that no such prohibition was intended. This view was naturally shared by the Zionist Organisation, whose Executive, after examining the Statement of Policy, declared that “ the activities of the Zionist Organisation will be conducted in conformity with the policy therein set forth “. One reason why no public allusion to a State was made in 1922 was the same reason why no such allusion had been made in 1917. The National Home was still no more than an experiment. Some 16,000 Jews had entered Palestine in I920 and 1921. The Arab population was about 600,000. It would be a very long time, it seemed, before the Jews could become a majority in the country. Indeed, as late as 1926, a leading Zionist stated that there was ” still little prospect of the Arabs being overtaken in a numerical sense within a measurable period of time ”.* It was not till the great rise in the volume of Jewish immigration in the last few years, that the prospect of a Jewish State came within the horizon. In 1922 it lay far beyond it."

Churchill's evidence clearly gives the lie to your false claims.

Think again before making wild unsubstantiated comments without any evidence to support them..
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 5:54:38 PM
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So what happens when Palestinian Israelis overtake Jewish Israelis after the future mass exodus of Jewish Israelis? That will occur after oil from Saudi Arabia becomes irrelevant to the West.

Where are they to immigrate Russia? Or on boats to Europe and Australia?

Christ you are so stupidly short sighted.
Posted by imajulianutter, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 7:07:08 PM
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#imajulianutter

After Saudi oil becomes irrelevant to the West the "Palestinian problem " will suddenly also become irrelevant.

Arab Oil has perverted the moral fibre of the West who have been forced to play along with the false Arab narrative of the Jewish-Arab conflict to ensure the supply of oil to keep their own economies functioning.

Maybe the bleeding hearts will turn their attention to the massive humanitarian problems in Syria, Iraq and Libya which completely overshadow the constant bleatings of concern for the creation of a second Arab State in former Palestine - where none has ever existed in recorded history.

Are you going to apologise for your following comments?

"David Israel was created as a Jewish homeland NOT a Jewish State. There is quite a difference you know and you must know you are propagandising a lie.

Why the need for all these lies David?"

It is the least you can do given the extract from the Peel Commission Report that I provided to you.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 12 June 2014 9:24:53 AM
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Ahhh David at last we are getting you to start addressing the truth.

You are so right the UN didn't set up a Jewish State in Palestine, did it?

It found it didn't have the authority to do so, and neither did the British did they?

So now we have established those facts ie no one had any authority to divide Palestine and that you have endorsed those facts, tell me how did the state of Israel come into existence in the Arab dominated territory of Palestine without the self determination of all groups of Palestinians? Especially after all the UN efforts were directed to establishing a Palestinian State where minorities rights were respected?

Now tell us all the truth. Espousing only part of a truth is far worse than being a simple liar.
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 12 June 2014 5:09:20 PM
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#To imajulianutter

I am waiting for your apology before answering your latest post.
No apology - no response.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 12 June 2014 5:37:22 PM
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No apology because your lot stole the land initially. So of course you won't address my question as it exposes you as a liar.

And Singer don't look to us when you start grizzling when the Palestinians reclaim their land and evict you bunch of short sighted land thieves in the same way.
Posted by imajulianutter, Friday, 13 June 2014 6:49:47 PM
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