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Holy days and 'total work' : Comments

By Justine Toh, published 17/4/2014

Whether you believe the Easter story or not, in a world of 'total work' the tale is otherworldly enough to disturb our notions of work and rest.

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Thanks to the author for this interesting article.

Arguably 'total work' is connected with capitalism. As a system, capitalism depends upon constant expansion of markets in order to maintain (relative) stability.

Increased women's participation has increased women's independence - a good thing. But it was conceded in part because capitalism trumped patriarchy. (women's participation meant a growth in consumer markets; but also a growth in GDP; and hence the economic power of those advanced capitalist economies that underwent the transition)

But ironically this is largely being paid for through the exploitation of other women - in particular I refer to the exploitation of skilled women workers in child care.

Many women also turned to family for child care. BUT NOW the Abbott Neo-Cons are winding back subsidies for exploited (largely women) workers in areas like child care and aged care. AND crucially they are suggesting a retirement age of *70*. It is presumed future families will turn to commercial child care - but this is largely predicated on continued exploitation of child care workers.

Meanwhile penalty rates are under fire; while unpaid overtime is on the rise.

Increasingly capitalism itself survives through what this author calls 'total work' - something that flies in the face both of the past gains of labour; but also religious sensibilities that there must be a time for rest; and that some things are sacred - and not everything subordinated to 'commercial imperatives'.

In this those with spiritual/religious motivations, social justice motivations and/or both could well find common ground. But we will only be able to provide solutions if we are willing to be honest about capitalism. I am a liberal democrat, a Christian and a socialist - But I hope other Christians, for instance, will be open to what I have to say about capitalism.

And even if others are not ready for democratic socialism - even striving for a 'hybrid' system - could still mean a degree of social amelioration for those fallen victim to the dominant Ideology of endless growth regardless of personal or social cost.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Thursday, 17 April 2014 8:16:04 PM
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BTW if anyone is reading this a Happy Easter to you all.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Thursday, 17 April 2014 8:31:50 PM
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This explains why those hard-working Godless Chinese, deprived of the benefits of Christianity, have no public holidays, festivals or celebrations...

Apart from New Year's Day, Spring Festival, Chinese New Year, Lantern Festival, Zhonge Festival, Qing Ming Jie, Labour Day, Dragon Boat Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, and National Days, of course.

http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/

Really this article is just an application of an old Peter Sellick technique -- find something that everyone agrees is a good thing, and try to pretend that your religion is responsible for it.
Posted by Jon J, Friday, 18 April 2014 7:07:13 AM
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great thoughts tristen..you inspired me to read the article.
but it has the feel of a time and motion study..that hasnt given a thought to the meanings behind SABBATH DAYS OR holy days..GIVING ME LITTLE TO RESPOND TO..regarding either.

I DO NOTE ALL THE DAYS off we get..are in the beginning of the year
and the money changers in usa seem to hAVE MORE 'BANBK HOLIDAYS TYPE DAYS WHERE THEY ARE CLOSED.

WE went 24/7..to allow capitalists to keep busy more people
just spo we dont have to waste time thinking about what easter really means

jesus didnt die for us..he died then returned
to prove that there is no 'judgment' day..and no reserction,,'day'

HE DIED TO PROVE THAT DEATH IS SIMPLY REBIRTH
BUT THE WORKING SLOBBS TOO BUSY WORKING TO GET TIME TO THINK

workers even work..in their sleep/dreams
in the future many will actually be 'doing'..their actual work..while sleeping...instead of sleeping away their life.

i would say happy easter/but there are too many
wrong-ways to be happy about this most sacred of daze.

may the easter mess-age..work its healing
as intended.. to advise.the worker..of the alternatives

IF YOUR WORK [YANG]..ISNT FUN..
YOUR SLEEP..is the wrong type of sleep..[YIN]
we musT..KEEP A DAY OF REST..[OR WHATEVER THE SABBATH/MEANS]..AS SACROSANCT..As kismet..or KARMA.

the balancing of the imballanced...as we learned
via the way..[ta0]..of christ love of other

no judgment day/but our dreams
no reserction day..because living keeps on giving[ye shall all be born again/again/again..[energy cant be created..nor destroyed..but must constantly change state.

ahhh men

anyhow..my spirit guides aske me to advise auther
[does hanging a dead/sleeping..naked man..IN THE WORKPLACE..improve work efficiency?]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 April 2014 7:15:24 AM
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its called penalty rate mate..for good reason
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6335&page=0

or visa versa..

how much credit can you give other
for ignoring THAT JUDGMENT..'DAy'..HAS BEEN JUDGED
BY INFINITE ;lOVE MERCy and grace..AND FOUND FLAWED

AND RESERCHTION 'DAY' HAS BEEN REFUTED simply
..BY KNOWING HOW E[ENERGY]=[EQUALS]..m[mass]..times the speed of light itimes the flight..that gives a reaLY BIG NUMBER..BUT IS JUST LIKE SAYING..the energy potential of your mind=mass times

google it
give it a try
im a christian
im here to help

here
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=masss+times
just to help us all see that revealed in the light
god doth not take sabbath..the sun is tireless..the hoLY SPIRIT IS ever WILLING..willing all living to simply live..

ASKING WHY ALL THIS CONFOUNDED KILLING
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6326&page=0

HOW IS THE LIFE GIVER [HOLY WHOLLY SPIRIT]
RESPECTED BY DISREPECTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE?

what would we do if the holy spirit sustaining us our living took a day off..or our god/[the sun]..took his day off..can we give them a day off?

think about it as you rest/
what of those who are ever restless?
driven..should we tell them relax..we see ya..and appreciate ya
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 April 2014 7:36:08 AM
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Thank you, Justine,

Let us remember that having to work for money is only an accident, that if we still have a life - it's despite this sort of slavery, not because of it.

Happy Easter, Tristan and everyone!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 18 April 2014 9:20:08 AM
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Well, U.O.G. the ultimate work incentive, would have to be a nearly naked man nailed to a cross, at the workplace?
Perhaps accompanied by smoking ovens and the words over the main entrance, "work will set you free".
It's interesting how some religious devotees play with words to impart more power to the subject matter?
Take the story of Lazarus.
In my day, he was raised from the dead, now he is raised from the grave.
I guess someone discovered CPR, and thought, that's no big deal anyone could do it, lets amp it up for effect?
And was the master trying to prove eternal life and Resurrection?
Or just reincarnation?
Certainly his evocation, (alleged,) that we must be born again of water and the spirit, could more strongly represent his view, that reincarnation, was his and a common belief among early esoteric Christians, and indeed, made them fearless, in the face of vicious lions, at the occasional Colosseum?
The changes, bible revision, have been going on for literal centuries.
The earliest known example of the holy bible, (in some German museum?) has very little in common with that relied on today!
In the final analysis, being a christian is a way of life, and applicable to all who are our good Samaritans, rather the people who go to church, beat their chests and say, look at me lord and how holy I am!
Then return to their weekday occupations, selling death trap rust buckets to the unwary!
Ripping off the elderly, who can no longer cope with the daily routine and must engage help!
Or fat bankers, plucking zillions from thin air, then exchanging worthless paper for items of real value, leaving literal millions of ordinary mums and dads, bereft of their tiny nest egg retirement funds etc/etc!
There are other criminal con artists, trying to swindle a place in a very limited queue, (allegorical) reserved for genuine refugees and or asylum seekers! And we could take more of the latter!
I say, don't pound the pulpit and preach a pious christian message!
Just live it!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 18 April 2014 10:21:15 AM
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A research fellow suffering from overwork, god give me strength.

I would love to give these shiny bums a few tools, a quarter acre, & some seed, & tell them to produce or starve. Then they might know what hard work really is. They would have no time for leisure activities, they would crave only sleep after a day's work. They would however have all the time they could use for contemplation. Nothing offers more scope for that than an endless repetitive mindless task, such as hoeing weeds.

Then he tells us to praise the Creator. Why? If there is such an entity our creation was done for it's amusement, not our betterment. I fail to see what is praiseworthy in that, unless it won a prize for creating a better zoo.

Actually I think Justine would be much better off, & probably happier, if we found some real work for him to do. All this gazing at his navel to produce articles like this can't be good for anyone.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 18 April 2014 1:00:06 PM
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It’s a strange attitude to work which sees it only as something that we need to get away from. Many people do have jobs which are little more than drudgery and that is a problem for society. This is changing and people are increasingly more engaged by their work. Many people have very fulfilling and exciting jobs and this should be the hope for all human beings. These people do not long for rest and relaxation but take it simply because those things are good in themselves – equally as rewarding as work. Life is made up of many and varied experiences which have the potential to give enjoyment and satisfaction. The aim should be to eradicate things like drudgery from society so that all can fulfil their right to happiness.

Such a goal is only hampered when religious people do not ‘pull their weight’. Religious people create an imaginary world where all drudgery is abolished, where work does not exist and where all injustices are righted by eternal reward or punishment. They have stopped trying to improve their own welfare and that of their fellow human beings by opting out of this world in favour of living in their imaginary one. Their focus is totally elsewhere whilst everyone else gets on with the business of improving society. They ride on the coat tails of such improvements but have done nothing except try and frustrate the efforts of those who live in the real world. Sure, they do their jobs because even those who live in imaginary worlds have to eat but they are unable to contribute much or to be creative when it comes to solving society’s problems.

Articles such as this one just try and re-enforce the kind of defeatism of medieval times and the hopelessness of societies which are trapped in third world poverty. It is no co-incidence that the most religious countries are the ones who are most underdeveloped. These people need hope and help in the real world not encouragement to throw up their hands in defeat.
Posted by phanto, Friday, 18 April 2014 2:56:19 PM
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Nature never meant humans to work as hard as they have had to over the last few millennia. Tribal and pre-recorded-history societies only worked a few hours a week to obtain the resources needed to stay alive. Much of the rest of their time was devoted to family, social interaction and spiritual pursuits.

Excessive work is the main feature of so-called advanced societies. These are characterised by an embedded hierarchical structure, often brutally enforced, in which the multitude is enslaved to maintain the parasitic comfort of a small few.

In feudal times, it was structured by a system of slavery based on indentured tenants working the lands of the nobility. With the Industrial Revolution, enslavement to the nobility gave way to enslavement to the industrialists and factory owners.

In the last hundred years, debt has been the main means of enslaving the populace and today's feudal nobility are the financiers and global corporations.

In all such societies, huge moral and spiritual weight is given to work as one's sole measure of worth - and conversely, an unwillingness to work is met with the highest moral outrage. Short of an apocalyptic cataclysm, this system will continue in some form or another. There's not much that can be done about it.

All we as individuals can do is to try to keep our debt and overheads as low as possible. The less you owe to anyone, the less opportunity the bastards have to enslave you.
Posted by Killarney, Friday, 18 April 2014 11:08:01 PM
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WHO..IS THEY KILLY?

curious..we are about to be raked over the coals
RAPED FOR MORE TAXES/FEES FINES LEVIES/BAIL-IN DEBT
and were talking about fiction[CREED]
WHEN JESUS SAID ITS ABOUT GREED..lol

we are missing the bigger picture
this NEW NEW SOUTH WHALES PREMIER.. is another ex banker*
[VIA SIGNING FOR A BOTTLE OF WINE.]

recall ukrane=BANKER/became president OF UKRANE..[IN A COUP]
GREECE GOT A BANKER....BELISCOINIE[italy] GOT REPLACED BY ...A BANKER

seeing a pattern//here?
nsw gets its own banker

yet..here is a book/that began as a fiction
but research turned up so much..truth..it became a classic

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=presidents+bankERS

Prins lays out a long history of the relationships between U.S. Presidents and bankers that date back to Teddy Roosevelt and JP Morgan.

understand?

THE system IS GOING FULL ON
TO discredit an enemy/any enemy..simply trying to reveal truths
[20 war vets die each day?..their making their problems go away

trouble WITH FICTIONS/THEIR OFTEN BIASED IN FACT
it needs distractions[re-actions.MENTAL activations/diS-motivations..

IF/it can get on screen/to instill fear..
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2014/37_of_voters_fear_the_federal_government

OR HOPE
http://warisacrime.org/content/war-good-us-dumb-new-book-claims

WHATS YOURS SAYING?..

[HERE IS SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER]
REGARDING FALSE FAGS
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/index.php
AND SET UP STINGS/OTHER THINGS

http://rss.infowars.com/20140418_Fri_Alex.mp3

ENDLESS THINGS..AND GOD NEEDS IT TO END UP
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/measles-witch-hunt-anti-vax-parents-burned-at-the-propaganda-stake_042014
WITHOUT EVIL WINNING YET AGAIN..using the same old grand scam
buy up big..then let it all fall down in a heap/knowing what to keep

or make special privledge for them/licence theft
http://theinternetpost.net/
give me your house..or loose it

then..again.in this day/age..they simply hyperinflate their debt away
force us to pay for their next pay day..as the vaue of our money drains away
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwars.php

http://theinternetpost.net/2014/04/18/believe-only-half-of-what-you-see-and-none-of-what-you-hear/

ONLY THE TRUTH CAN SET US FREE
http://www.newsforage.com/2014/04/world-bank-wants-water-privatized.html
GET RID OF WATER POINTS
http://xrepublic.tv/node/8466

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-kosher-trinity-and-jewish-quantum-mechanics.html

WIKISEED/WIKigeld
s.u.n treaty
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 19 April 2014 10:30:01 AM
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Right on Killarney.
Nowadays, the "Master" wouldn't be limited to losing his cool and taking to the money changers, whipping them out of temple, but arguably every other parasitical class, that extract their unearned profit, via entirely unproductive middle man profit taking practice?
And he wouldn't be limited to Temples, let me assure you, but every other building, where any of this parasitical double handling, make work behavior was carried on, including banks, boardrooms, bureaucratic offices and various backrooms etc/etc!?
[Extracting unearned profit is exactly what the money changers were doing!]
If we could but remove this single, entirely unproductive element, from our midst?
We'ed virtually halve the cost of living, and almost everything else, almost over night. And or cease chasing additional work, like a dog chasing its tail!
With the worst example of entirely unproductive parasite practice, I believe, being our highly convoluted tax system, and the sheer number number of, or parasitical practices and profits it represents?
We could quite markedly increase internal revenue, all while quite massively lowering everyone,s personal tax burden, and indeed remove compliance costs, which currently impact more harshly on the bottom line, than the single stand alone expenditure tax, we could replace all of that harmful complexity with!
Naturally, those with any skin in middleman profit taking or nonessential complexity, will bellow like wounded bulls, and respond most powerfully with a massive BS campaign and cashed up lobbyists, I believe, trying to purchase political compliance or continuing cooperation, or just covert continuance or cover ups?
And elicit excuses, like its a scrambled egg that can't be unscrambled etc/etc, ad nuseum?
ICAC revelations are, I believe, just the tip of the corruption iceberg and the protection of endless reward, for no real or productive output elitism?
If we would get rid of it, there's no other choice than to put the incumbent last on the voting list, at least until, we have replaced all the dross and elitist elements, with people who will work for us and just us!
Two or three one term Governments, should impart that message, and or, outcome?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 19 April 2014 11:06:47 AM
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Well said, Killarney,

I couldn't have said it better.

Now we're just left to wonder when will this cleansing apocalyptic cataclysm arrive?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 19 April 2014 8:14:41 PM
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Ah it is interesting isn't it, that at least one of the main churches expects it's clergy to work a 48 hour week in direct defiance of the ILO recommendations. It also calculates superannuation on the cash component of a stipend, ignoring the remaining parts of the Clergy "package," free rent, utilities and car allowance. (which don't apply if you are a clergy couple, only one set is paid.) No wonder so many clergy find themselves living on the edge, reliant on Locum work to eek out the pension before moving into a church run nursing home. It may sound bitter, but surely the labourer is worthy of his/her hire?
Posted by Jon R, Sunday, 20 April 2014 11:45:03 AM
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Oh god, here we have Killarney proving she has not a single clue, just a nasty streak. She directs this towards those who make her comfortable life possible, employers.

Love most people go to work because they have no idea how to support themselves if they didn't. If it was easier to support yourself with less work, most would do it. Western society is sliding into failure by trying to support those who want to avoid any work, even for themselves.

If you want to live in a cave, or a bark humpy, & think you could find or catch enough to eat, go for it. There are plenty of places where you can still do it, if you really want to. Do learn how to weave tight mats first. Like the people of the Sepik, you'll want lots of mats pulled over the end of your hollow log you sleep in, to avoid the biting insects. It is a simple fact that those places that support lots of natural food, also support lots of biting insects.

You could use a mosquito net, but hay, that would involve earning the money to pay for it. Not many employers in those subsistence suitable areas. Hell even those smelly people in Nimbin could only survive because we were silly enough to give them the dole, while they "subsisted".

The modern world requires thousands of people, with thousands of skills to work. You are depending on all those people, mostly employees for your existence, let alone comfort.

Best be thankful for your luck, being born into a functioning civilisation, even if it means you have to work to share it. Without it's support, I doubt you'd survive.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 20 April 2014 12:40:59 PM
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ok its the time before/the saviours return
let judgment day begin..6 may..

hasbeen..your witness number 3
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=11

BITCHEY IS NUMBER TWO

NOW WHERE DID SEQEB/CHRIS GRAPH Et'AL GO?

end time holy days..shorten the unholy work

anyhow for now watching the gods must be crazy
after WATCHING SOME ANT THING..ANYHOW THIN ABOUT IT IT WILL BE MUCH FUN..LINK IN SOME BIGGER ISSUES THAT US VERSus them

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6339&page=0

anyhow the bushmen is in court
the whitefella colonisation trap

its classic stuff
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 20 April 2014 1:42:39 PM
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Such totally muddled thinking is standard fare for Christians these days. But this piece shows more than the usual level of confusion about what "people" think, and do.

"That we lack this leisure seems strange, for we have whole industries dedicated to our entertainment, wellness, and recreation."

Ummm.... would it not follow, that those industries would rapidly wither and die, if people were not being entertained? Or attending to their health? Or having time for recreation?

Surely, the very fact that these industries exist and thrive, is a direct result of our having the non-work (or, "leisure") time available to devote to their product?

Seems entirely self-defeating to me.

"What we need instead is rest for its own sake, one that is entirely separate from work."

That would seem to be exactly what we have, according to the author's own observations.

But that would be too easy, would it not.

"True leisure may lift a person out of their everyday life but it is no escape from the world. Rather, the leisure of which Pieper speaks is of the 'mindful' variety. In offering us a vantage point from which to see more deeply into the whole of our lives, Pieper's leisure leaves us in a better position to assess our relationships, the appropriate place of work, and our self-understanding."

So we are asked to subscribe to Pieper's view of leisure, without questioning its relevance, validity or even its foundations.

"So far, so good until Pieper provocatively suggests that leisure, in its affirmation and celebration of the world, is deeply connected to religious worship: 'the highest conceivable form of approving the world as such is found in the worship of God, in the praise of the Creator.'"

Forgive me the obvious observation, that this definition is entirely self-serving, even self-referential, in that it is nothing more than an opportunity - and a blatantly shallow one at that - to promote his religion.

As is this entire "article".
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 21 April 2014 11:39:52 AM
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Dear Pericles,

Worship of God is indeed the best form of leisure, but it was unwise on the author's behalf to mention this on a general forum like this where many readers are either not religious or follow a religion which does not include the practice of worshipping God.

Instead, in order for religious people to have more time to worship God, everyone else should be helped out of the rat-race as well, then everyone can do with their spare time whatever they choose themselves.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 21 April 2014 8:16:59 PM
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(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), a coin shall be deemed to be not of current weight if it has become diminished in weight by wear or otherwise so as to be of less weight than the weight prescribed as the least current weight of that coin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44hT122k6qY
If the Vatican claims a woman that is healed by John Paul II after his death makes him a saint, which according to Scripture is a bold faced lie, then would a statue erected in his honor that kills a man now declare him evil?
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=VATICAN+CRUSAFIX+CRUSHES+MAN&
let the judgment daze begin..make me explain 6 may..lets do it 'his' way
Posted by one under god, Friday, 2 May 2014 10:30:58 AM
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HOLY DAY*=6 may=judgment day

worKing day begins

in COURT 20..brisbane magic court/stanly street..*TOMORROW

JUDGMENT DAY BEGINS TOMORROW..6 th of may
gods servant/makes the evil..go away
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10

the tribes and the nations..to-gather;
as the rainbow serphant unwinds to spead the PEACE TRTAIL THROUGHT OUT THE WORLD

GODS MISSION IS TO FOOT THE TAIL FIRMLY..HERE IN THE LAND OF OZ
also called great south lands..[or by my people who stand one foot On the water/in commerce/of the dead..and the other stands free as a beast in its forrest..in this realm..OF ETERNAL OMNIPRESENT WHOLLY SPIRIT

..IN THE END WE ALL DID IT..together*
FOR ALL FOR EACH OTHER..the gifts we bring is doing it as its done in heaven/then speading gods peace everywhere[gods paying for us to repair restore explore and help rebuild tHE BEST OF OUR HERITAGE AWAY FROM THE BEAST

WE DO IT..not just for the one true good..[*G*D*}..but for everyone
all gods living morta heirs of all his creation/to tend the good fruits and recall the learnings of histries costly earnings

ask..who is not living/but that their living is sustained by god?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10
ALL SHALL BE REVEALED
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6304&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6326&page=0

ahhh men
lets get it together
p[eace not pieces shalom
set my people free immediatly/you may keep your plunder
but to keep them impoverished..thats just sic..we cast you out..like geaven[if your good..grow thrive and learn/earn

]..like hell if you need firmer..teaching
but god give each the better body/best suiting our lusts
beware of what ye wish..there shall be no more pre-tence*
Posted by one under god, Monday, 5 May 2014 8:27:46 PM
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SIGN OF the wholy unholy..by de'SIGN.

On this Tuesday, May 6 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex talks about a grotesque abortion video posted on Youtube by a counselor at a New Jersey abortion clinic celebrating the murder of her unborn child.
http://www.infowars.com/woman-celebrates-her-cool-abortion-on-youtube/

BE WARNED more kids murded [53 million..JUST SINCE vietnam]
http://www.infowars.com/woman-celebrates-her-cool-abortion-on-youtube/

http://www.infowars.com/star-of-youtube-abortion-video-is-a-horror-movie-actress/

how unholy.ABORTION..THAT KILLS..[murder]
http://www.infowars.com/10-examples-of-how-big-brother-is-steadily-creeping-into-our-daily-lives/
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 3:00:36 PM
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peters going in
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/180855

Vatican 'Only' Wants Daily Prayers at last supper/over what is claimed..to be..King David's Tomb..but its not

Official says Vatican is not seeking ownership of the Cenacle,
only wants daily two-hour prayers at the site.

Vatican Says Pope Will Demand 'Sovereign Palestine'
Vatican's Secretary of State says pope during visit
will talk about 'Palestinian right to sovereign, independent homeland.'
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/180928#.U3443nawXG8
http://rss.infowars.com/20140522_Thu_Alex.mp3
http://jordanmaxwellshow.com/blog/2013/12/02/jordan-maxwell-files-0001/
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 24 May 2014 6:06:25 PM
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