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BDS campaign questions academics' courage : Comments

By Stuart Rees, published 21/1/2013

In the face of continuous human rights abuses affecting Palestinians, the time comes for citizens to find other ways to address these issues. The BDS movement provides one of the hopeful 'other ways'.

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Israel recognises as Jewish anyone born of a Jewish mother. The "Arab" republic of Egypt and the "Arab" Republic of Syria define being "Arab" as being born of an Arab father. Article 5 of the PLO Charter says that a Palestinian is "anyone born of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it". Germans and Greeks, Spaniards and Italians have similar types of definitions for the majority ethnic group in each of their countries, regardless of place of birth, language spoken or culture adopted. The laws of each of these countries distinguish rights including immigration, citizenship, and residency and legal rights on the sole basis of ancestry. For example, a 4th generation Australian of Greek ancestry living in Melbourne is considered automatically to be a Greek citizen, whether or not the person has made a choice to become a Greek citizen. Numerous countries have analogous laws. The distinctions sought to be made by Emperor Julian between "family connection to the country" and "ancestry" are a figment of his imagination.
Posted by BSDetector, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 6:48:05 PM
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The economic sanctions on Iraq and Iran cannot be compared to the BDS.The Iraq invasion was totally illegal and murdered over one million innocent people.The Iran sanctions are also based on a lie.Israel has practised genocide against the Patistinians since 1945 yet no one dares criticise them.

If we allow genocide to happen against any population on our planet,then expect that reality to visit our door soon,with a super elite of bankster criminals who often refer to us common people as "the useless eaters".
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 8:35:59 PM
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David G:

“Look, let's cut all the B.S. The Israelis will never give the Palestinians their land back”

Just like they did not give the vast Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt?

“…[the Israelis] will begin to build Greater Israel with help from the U.S. which wants a powerful proxy in the middle of all that oil and always has done”

Once again you are so driven by hatred that you fail to differentiate between facts and extreme-left fiction. A greater Israel? Is that why the Israelis withdrew from the Sinai? Is that why they withdrew from Gaza? From large parts of the West Bank? From Southern Lebanon?
As for that “powerful proxy in the middle of all that oil”, Israel has no oil in any significant quantities, and neither do most of its neighbours. The only significant oil field ever captured by Israel was in the Western Sinai, which was returned to Egypt. Israel does have some significant gas fields that it is now starting to develop, but those fields are underwater, not in any disputed Palestinian territory.

“The Palestinians have one choice: fight for their land using any means just as Arafat was doing”

It is exactly this kind of advice, given by fanatic armchair generals such as you, sitting comfortably well away, that keeps fuelling the conflict for close to a century. And what do the Palestinians have to show for having followed this advice? Nothing but the loss of territory, loss of life, and lack of development. No doubt you have no issue with continuing the fight to the last Palestinian.
It is the lunatics issuing this advice who are the greatest enemy of the Palestinians, not Israel.
Posted by Avw, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 8:51:18 PM
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According to Arjay "Israel has practised genocide against the Patistinians since 1945". Is there no end to the lies and BS these Israel-haters will believe? They are so rigid in their prejudces and opinions that they have to convince themselves of the most extraordinary nonsense to maintain their sanity. In 1945, BEFORE the 'Nakba', the total Arab population of Mandate-era Palestine was 1,200,000. Today, in the same territory (which is now Israel, the WB and Gaza) the total Arab population is about 5.5 million. When Jews started returning to the country in large numbers after 1881, the total Arab population was about 450,000, at which level it had been for the previous 200-300 years. Jewish immigration facilitated economic development and the establishment of modern health services, and ATTRACTED Arab migration into the country. In the first 60 years of Jewish migration into the country, the Arab population nearly tripled. In the subsequent 60 years it more than quadrupled. Funny sort of 'genocide', that. For anyone genuinely interested in the way the word 'genocide' has been devalued by misuse, see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11108059
Posted by BSDetector, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 9:50:29 PM
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PART ONE

Yes David G do let us cut the BS, let’s try to see where this blatant racism and antisemitism is coming from.

Let us do it step by step
• “The Israelis will never give the Palestinians their land back.”

Who are ‘the Palestinians’? Throughout history there has never been any such people.

There is no Palestinian culture, language or cuisine.
There’s never been a land called "Palestine" ruled by "Palestinians." There's never been a Palestinian President, Prime Minister, government or military. This whole notion of 'a Palestine' is a recent false invention, based on lies and violence.

They are an invented people from an invented/non-existent country, which came into being on June 4th 1967

Since the 1880's, it was Jewish pioneers who began to redeem the land from wilderness. Only thereafter, Arabs came from other lands to benefit from what the Jews built and try to take it from them.

If anyone really wants peace with Israel, they MUST recognize Israel's existence, and Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Ipso facto your fictitious people, from an fictitious country can’t have ‘their land back’
Posted by SF, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:50:50 PM
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PART TWO

• “The Palestinians have one choice: fight for their land using any means just as Arafat was doing.”

Arafat was doing anything BUT fight for land. All Arafat was worried about was Arafat and feathering his own nest with his wife and daughter occupying not one, but two floors of the exclusive Ritz Hotel in Paris.

Arafat's Swiss Bank Account
http://www.meforum.org/645/arafats-swiss-bank-account

Arafat's wife at centre of money-laundering inquiry
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/12/1076548163989.html?from=storyrhs

There are plenty more where these came from. Arafat was a thief and a liar

“Arafat didn't negotiate - he just kept saying no. He is accused of being a liar who talked peace while secretly plotting the destruction of Israel.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/may/23/israel3/print

• The Arabs have never had any land or any borders. If they want those they have to negotiate. UN Resolution 242 calls for an ARAB State alongside a Jewish State. Not a PALESTINIAN State alongside a Jewish State. It also says that Israel must have SAFE and SECURE borders.

They have refused land at every turn. They don’t want peace.

In 1948 they chose war rather than accept the UN’s decision to partition Palestine between its Jewish and Arab populations.

• In 1967 Israel offered to relinquish the land it had acquired, in exchange for peace with its neighbours, the Arab world’s response, issued at a summit in Khartoum, was not one NO, but three:

“No peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel."

• In 2000, Camp David offered Arabs a sovereign state with shared control of Jerusalem and billions of dollars in compensation for Palestinian refugees. Yasser Arafat refused the offer and launched the deadly terror war known as the Second Intifada.

• In 2008 Ehud Olmert offered Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas a peace agreement that would have guaranteed a Palestinian state in virtually all the West Bank, Gaza, and part of Jerusalem. Once again, the Palestinians turned down the offer.
Posted by SF, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:51:50 PM
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