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West's history not complete without reference to Christianity : Comments

By Chris Berg, published 29/3/2011

While one needn't be Christian to be part of a liberal democracy, it helps to understand Christianity.

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Our civilization is entirely secular, superficial, materialistic, outward and object directed only.
It is founded on a mode of propaganda about the nature of human existence that has driven humankind to the point of self-destruction. It has idealized the grossly-bound ego and ended up with a world of egos destroying one another.

And yet surprisingly many people, including the IPA clones, pretend that ours is the most "advanced" form of human culture that has ever existed on the planet.

The Renaissance was the collapse of the "God"-civilization (such as it was in its half-baked expressions) that preceded it. The civilization based on mythologized presumptions of what is traditionally conceived to be spatially and temporally "behind" and "above" the world. The Renaissance destroyed that earlier form of civilization. With the Renaissance, "God"-myth based civilization was replaced with a human based civilization, or a civilization which glorified the human ego, especially that of European males. That ego-civilization came to its essential end in the twentieth century.

After the devastation and inevitable collapse of ego-civilization in the 20th century, a global transformation is now required in human culture. Something that is comprehensively right.

The ultimate expression of that ego-civilization is the adolescent anti-"culture" of competitive individualism. A so called culture in which everyone inevitably loses, including to presumed winners, and all of Earth-kind too.

When the entire human world founds itself on the adolescent motive to aggrandize the individual grossly-bound ego-"I", then everyone is collectively working towards the destruction not only of human culture and humankind itself, but even of the Earth itself, the very vehicle that supports life.

Indeed, a society of mere competing individuals does not need, and cannot even tolerate a true culture. Because a true culture must, necessarily be characterized in its best, and even general demonstrations and aspirations, by mutual tolerance, cooperation, peace, and profundity. Therefore societies based on competitive individualism and merely gross or superficial mindedness, actually destroy all previously existing cultures and cultural adaptations.

Despite the seeming freedom our culture is now a combination of the nightmare scenarios described in both Brave New World AND 1984.
Posted by Ho Hum, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 12:06:08 PM
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Like most of your posts rubbish, bible is the fevered writings of a bunch of scribes about a load of BS so they made it up as they went along(old Testament)
New Testament is much the same they just Anglicised the names and made it up as well,good luck if you choose to believe it
Posted by John Ryan, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 1:04:10 PM
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I am referring to Runner
Posted by John Ryan, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 1:05:12 PM
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Christianity has played a big role in western history. It's time is the sun is fading just as Greek then Roman mythology has. However when we reflect on what Christianity actual as given us it's not much. How many of its basic tents were either with us before hand or no longer part of our culture? If fact much of what many of us find bad about Muslims has core doctrine of Christianity for one thousand years.

BTW Julia is just nodding to the christ-stain left that's all. Christiants like to pretend their values voters but realy their not, others wise surely they would vote as a block. The bible is quite clear......
Posted by Kenny, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 1:33:09 PM
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Yes, sort of. If you screw up your eyes and squint a bit, then you would probably have to agree that Christianity has had an influence on the development of "the West".

Whether more or less than any other religion is certainly open to question, given that there have been so many of them, both mono- and polytheistic. Which gives rise to the obvious follow-on question - which came first, the desire by a community to conform under a consistent set of behavioural rules? Or religion?

"Almost all thinkers in the formative centuries of Western liberal democracy were convinced (or simply assumed) there was a God, and He was a Christian God... Their religious faith couldn't help but shape their worldview."

Well, duh. Nor could their position in society, their educational background, their country of origin or what they had for breakfast. Why would we assume, given that their acceptance of Christianity was largely based upon ignorance - or, as the author points out, simple assumption - that there was anything uniquely contributive in their religious beliefs?

There is no denying that the "West's history is not complete without reference to Christianity". But hardly more so than reference to the bow and arrow, dynastic royalty (ah, the "divine right" of kings!), the English language or King Artaxerxes' invention of the passport in 450BC.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 2:43:48 PM
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'Like most of your posts rubbish, bible is the fevered writings of a bunch of scribes about a load of BS so they made it up as they went along(old Testament)
New Testament is much the same they just Anglicised the names and made it up as well,good luck if you choose to believe it'

and your contribution John Ryan?
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 3:00:56 PM
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