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Population and prosperity : Comments

By Babette Francis, published 12/1/2011

Australia needs its own think tank that marries free enterprise with morality.

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I would think the author is on the nail in a number of areas.

Destroying families does not build prosperity, and divorce is a cancer that has taken over much of our society.

The skills shortage can also be attributed to a decaying education system that thinks mainly of taking from the public, while giving back as little as possible.

We now need immigration to prop up our society, and we are told to believe that a multicultural society is good, when in fact a multicultural society leads to no culture at all.

We are a society that can't produce enough to sustain itself.
Posted by vanna, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 7:56:47 PM
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Vanna......

"The skills shortage can also be attributed to a decaying education system that thinks mainly of taking from the public, while giving back as little as possible.

Its easier to pick pre-trained over-sea's people than to invest in the white Australians. The government see's no value in a people that would rather party-on, than getting educated.

They tried with the $1000 per child on the Australian public, which made an in-crease, but at the wrong end of the scale.

Anyway, this is what Australia is looking at.

Environmental movements, notably the organisation Sustainable Population Australia (SPA), believe that as the driest inhabited continent, Australia cannot continue to sustain its current rate of population growth without becoming overpopulated. SPA also argues that climate change will lead to a deterioration of natural ecosystems through increased temperatures, extreme weather events and less rainfall in the southern part of the continent, thus reducing its capacity to sustain a large population even further.[21] The UK-based Optimum Population Trust supports the view that Australia is overpopulated, and believes that to maintain the current standard of living in Australia, the optimum population is 10 million (rather than the present 20.86 million), or 21 million with a reduced standard of living.[22]

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Posted by Deep-Blue, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 8:57:07 PM
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It is argued that immigration exacerbates climate change, because immigrants generally come from countries with low greenhouse gas emissions per ca-pita to countries with high per ca-pita emissions (like Australia). A number of climate-change observers see population control as essential to arresting global warming. Australia could experience more severe droughts and they could become more frequent in the future, a government-commissioned report said on July 6, 2008. The Australian of the Year 2007, environmentalist Tim Flannery, predicted that unless it made drastic changes, Perth in Western Australia could become the world’s first ghost metropolis, an abandoned city with no more water to sustain its population. Analysis by The Australia Institute shows that Australia’s population growth has been one of the main factors driving growth in domestic greenhouse gas emissions. It further finds that the average emissions per ca-pita in the countries that immigrants come from is only 42% of average emissions in Australia, meaning that as immigrants alter their lifestyle to that of Australians, they increase global greenhouse gas emissions.

It is calculated that each additional 70,000 immigrants will lead to additional emissions of 20 million tonnes of greenhouse gases by the end of the Kyoto target period (2012) and 30 million tonnes by 2020. In contradiction to this, a study in science journal Nature claims that immigration does not result in global warming because although immigration increases population in one country, on a global level immigration does not affect population.

However...I might be very, very wrong:)

BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 8:59:58 PM
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Grim

Think: who owned all the species you cited?

All you've proved is that public ownership is an irrational way to try to conserve resources.
Posted by Peter Hume, Thursday, 13 January 2011 7:27:34 AM
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You've got me there, Peter. Who do you think owns all those species I mentioned?
As to resource ownership, are you saying you believe BHP, Rio et al., would, if they owned their mines outright instead of leasing them from we the people, immediately cut back on production for the sake of future generations?
Posted by Grim, Thursday, 13 January 2011 10:23:25 AM
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Babette Francis is an anachronism. We had this argument from her decades ago and all that's changed is the desire to add capitalism and defence to the mix. Funny, but I also went to Sunday School and came home with a different Christian message - one that is far closer to a cooperative caring society than to a competitive free enterprise system. And defence? What about turning turning swords into ploughshares? What about 'Thou shalt not kill'? But even if Babatte cares nought for other species (despite Jesus saying God cared even for sparrows) and wants the whole world used for human use, she should consider the concept of 'ecosystem services'. If we care about humans, we need to care about the Earth and its ecosystems that provide us with clean water, clean air, food and so on. It's time to stop population growth and gradually reduce our numbers until we can find a level at which we are in balance with the resources that sustain us.
Posted by popnperish, Thursday, 13 January 2011 9:06:28 PM
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