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Cancun reinforces the need for strong domestic climate policies : Comments

By Matthew Wright, published 10/12/2010

China's not waiting to act on climate for a perfect international agreement and neither should Australia.

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Australians are fatigued by hysteria and exageration.

They do not want their government to take ambitious steps to tackle climate change.

Over 50% of Australians now believe climate change is natural, and do not believe we can control the climate

"we think that the most important question is not whether GCMs can produce credible estimates of future climate, but whether climate is at all predictable in deterministic terms." (Global Climate Models)

People do not want to subsidise wild plans for renewable ventures where the principle shareholders appear to have powerful lobby group (unions) to influence politicians - the Union movement is the biggest investor in wind farms, through superannuation funds, similarly with desal plants.

Yes I believe we have changed the climate,by land clearing and other means,but to sheet it all home as this person does to CO2 and CO2 only is just a farce. Cancun today were hand wringing about how they could get wealthy countries to subsidize and give money to poor countries .. that's what it is all about, socialism, not climate, climate is just the vehicle.

If Australians overwhelmingly wanted to reduce emissions or whatever, we would have overwhelmingly voted in the Greens .. we didn't .. so get the message, it's not important in the scheme of things to your average Australian.
Posted by rpg, Friday, 10 December 2010 10:43:16 AM
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What is going on in Cancun is dangerous for the whole world as it is promoting a world Government designed to undemocratise the West and eventually plunge the world into poverty and chaos.

The sooner this whole Global Warming hoax is over, the better.
Posted by Sniggid, Friday, 10 December 2010 10:43:58 AM
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Nice work Matthew.

I agree that Australia cannot have any credibility in global discussions on climate change if it takes no effective action itself.

It is increasingly obvious that achieving an effective international agreement depends on emission reductions being undertaken by industrialised nations, not just promised. Action in Australia is well overdue, and it must extend beyond the single mechanism of a carbon price to include a comprehensive suite of policies to reduce emissions, draw down excess carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, and to adapt and prepare for further changes to the climate.

It is this sort of action that will not only assist in eliciting cooperation from other global partners but as you say it will also help position Australia in the increasingly competitive global marketplace of clean, sustainable industries. It will also improve our energy and national security and provide considerable health and social benefits.
Posted by farm_strong, Friday, 10 December 2010 10:45:01 AM
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I believe the new name for this resort is Cancon.

Regards
DKit
Posted by dkit, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:11:38 AM
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<<Ministers, negotiators, lobbyists and activists will work at a frenetic pace to advance (or thwart) an international treaty on climate change.>>

Not sure many Australians will be too happy that, “lobbyists and activists” from wherever are involved in policy that may negatively impact us.

<< A country that has enjoyed rapid growth of its domestic manufacturing capacity over the past few years, it is China that will make 43% of the world’s solar panels—and 39% of its wind turbines—in 2010>>

Mathew, I don’t suppose the Chinese use renewable energy to manufacture on this scale do they?

I thought that the meeting in Cancun was a European centric push to give them a $100bn a year slush fund to give our money to poorer Nations? I could be wrong?

I just look at the financial mess that Europe has created and wonder why we would even give them loose change from the cookie jar?

Keep up the rage anyway, I love seeing the Jesuits squirm. It’s a bit like the Pope sanctioning the selective benefits of condoms; next you will find us a way to be “a little bit pregnant”.

Wriggle, wriggle
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:16:48 AM
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Mr Wright provides us with an eminently sensible article making yet another call for action by this country to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions and put itself in a position of being able to demand that others do the same.

The only thing Australians are fatigued about are climate change deniers who still argue about the role of CO2 in global warming, despite its effects having been known and well understood for over a century.

The majority of Australians have long realised that government action to reduce our emissions is no longer something to be debated. It is demanded and rightly so. Exasperation of the electorate with a vacillating government and an Opposition which wants our taxes used to pay business to stop greenhouse gas emissions has resulted in a Senate controlled by the Greens and the Reps controlled by Independent MP’s.

The view that efforts to curb global warming is all a wicked conspiracy to undo western civilisation, create world government, rob us of our democracy and all the other rubbish we read from the same OLO contributors, should make us doubt the their sanity, rather than views expressed in the article.
Posted by Agnostic of Mittagong, Friday, 10 December 2010 12:36:08 PM
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There is a set of deniers that are s-frightened it is going to cost them something. It is reasonable to assume carbon is the culprit For eratic climate changes. You can't go on past records, there has never been a 2010 before.
Carbon may be responsible for more than we know about. Nature has been put off balance and needs to be corrected. Lets get on with it..
Posted by 579, Friday, 10 December 2010 12:58:03 PM
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The whole argument is farcical. In Queensland, Captain Bligh is giving the green light for mining companies to lay waste to viable food producing (and CO2 eating)land and rip all the coal out of these areas. She has also given the green light for companies to extract coal seam gas and use the aforementioned coal to power plants to compress the gas. But she definitely won't allow uranium to be mined in Queensland. Go figure!
Posted by Sparkyq, Friday, 10 December 2010 2:31:33 PM
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BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE (DHMO)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100067478/ban-dihydrogen-monoxide-now/

This confirms what I've long suspected

Most of the protagonists in any debate don't have a clue what they're talking about. That applies as much to those who purport to debunk climate science as it does to those who support action to reduce CO2 emissions.

It's the ignorant shouting at the ignorant.
Posted by lentaubman, Friday, 10 December 2010 3:16:21 PM
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It just goes to show you that some people will believe anything won't they.
More solar, more wind, less carbon.
Time for my Dihydrogen monoxide shower.
Posted by 579, Friday, 10 December 2010 3:59:49 PM
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"Australians are fatigued by talk. They want their government to take ambitious steps to tackle climate change."

These are the same Australians who nearly voted out a new PM after six weeks because of her apparent eagerness to get into bed with the Greens, right?

I think the only appropriate response is: [Citation needed]
Posted by Jon J, Friday, 10 December 2010 4:33:56 PM
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lentaubman

You have made my day!

Ban DHMO!
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Friday, 10 December 2010 4:38:49 PM
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lentaubman,

There are people in eastern Australia who in their present flooded condition would agree with you ... but my preference is to get rid of CO2AL.
Posted by Agnostic of Mittagong, Friday, 10 December 2010 5:28:05 PM
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A good article my Mathew wright and in particular the need for

"Bottom-up policies will lay the foundation for an international agreement on climate change. Strong action at home is the best way to leverage other nations to take the steps required to successfully decarbonise the globe. Australia can be a model for what is possible, but this hinges on the ability of the Gillard Government to deliver tangible outcomes in 2011."

Note also Dr Birol of the Internatioanal Energy Agency said "that the world's production of conventional crude oil may have already peaked as long ago as 2006."

In Austrlaia there is need to conserve gas as a transitional fuel to ensure that the demand for oil is greatly reduced. A short term global gas glut is a disaster for the worlds poor in the long term. Gas as a transitional fuel has been the policy of the Greens for years.

Using tidal power in the estuaries on the north coast of australia and at the heads of Port Phillip Bay to generate electricity Is another technology option that is well developed in France and in South Korea. Which Mathew Wright should consider

PEST
Posted by PEST, Friday, 10 December 2010 7:18:40 PM
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Note to the author. Do you really think a totalitarian regime like China really cares about the climate when they care little about their own citizens? The naivety in this article is breathtaking. China makes a few green initiatives to use as a bargaining tool in emission negotiations and immediately becomes heroic to some naive Greenies.

Anyone who holds China up as a paragon of virtue should ask themselves why China is getting so hot under the collar about one of their dissidents receiving the Nobel Peace Prize and why has it murdered so many of its own citizens and those in other countries.
Posted by Atman, Friday, 10 December 2010 9:38:26 PM
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CANCUN simply reminds us to be eternally VIGILANT about scumbag pseudo socialists making or positioning themselves to make mega Capitalist Dollars from 'Green' trends in the so-called Climate Change industry.

CLIMATE CHANGE ENTREPRENEURS

I'm ONE of them...my mate Maurice Strong is another. Bob Carr our buddy at Envex is another, our mates in Landis and Gyrr making smart meters are also on board, and in my case, my massive investment in 'Smart Grid' technology is already paying off as Russia has jumped on board with a huge 'Smart Grid' deal with the USA.

GLOBAL WARMING INVESTMENTS.

I'm not doing so well in my Carbon Trading investments, but hey..swings and roundabouts..I'm doing fine on Smart Grid investments. I put Kathy Zoi into the Dept of Energy to ensure my investments are looked after by an old boy/girl demobrat Insider.
She is making megabucks out of the smart meters you dumb Aussies are being forced to buy (Don't you love politics)..in which Kathy has very large shareholdings.(along with her Husband ..of course)

JUSSSST IMAGINE how things would have gone if I'd WON the presidency eh ? :)
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 11 December 2010 9:13:45 AM
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Yes Spindoc, you are wrong, but only a little.

That $100bn a year is not going to go to poor nations, at least not more than 10% or so. It's to go to the UN to enrich it's chosen supporting elites. It's sure that they would not be rushing into print at this particular moment, if they didn't expect to do well out of it.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 11 December 2010 10:03:43 AM
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Well there you have it Hasbeen, we were both wrong. Cancun only managed to $30bn of our money this year but they do have plans to get the other $70bn a year out of us in future. So the UN is on budget.

Not that they have worked out who or how these “Green Funds” funds will be distributed but I guess we do trust them to get it right?

Interesting that even prior to Cancun international UN aid has been re-badged as “Green Aid”. As I understand it this stops despotic regimes from spending this money on RPG’s AK 47’s and light tanks or opening Swiss Bank accounts.

It is great that an international agreement on money has been reached though. The issue of climate change has been comprehensively sorted out with the “absolute commitment to the possibility of having discussions about further progress in the development of a draft process to verify the carbon reduction initiatives of each signatory and to give each the basis for taxing their population and give the proceeds to the poor”.

It is not possible surely, that anyone swallows this nonsense?

Anyway, get the public purse opened for the next holiday in Durban
Posted by spindoc, Sunday, 12 December 2010 8:48:24 AM
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Hey Spindoc....you say:

//Not that they have worked out who or how these “Green Funds” funds will be distributed but I guess we do trust them to get it right?//

*COUGH SPLUTTER*.... then you add:

//Interesting that even prior to Cancun international UN aid has been re-badged as “Green Aid”. As I understand it this stops despotic regimes from spending this money on RPG’s AK 47’s and light tanks or opening Swiss Bank accounts.//

Let me drop this question on you .. has the UN EVER been able to stop aid money from being used for those things ?

But let's remember..such funds have NOTHING to do with Green ANYthing....they have to do with establishing a 'FRAMEWORK' for wealth redistribution along marxist/socialist/progressive lines.

It's not the amount or the end use...it's the FRAMEWORK which is most important.(to them) Once they get us used to this socialist/green/progressive tax.... they'll keep milking us until everyone is equally poor rather than equally prosperous... though, in their 'world of spin' they will simply call a poverty stricken socialist world "A new age of justice, fairness and equality" well.. they are technically correct :)

Justice- "We take from Capitalist pigs and give to hippie freak tree huggers"

Fairness- We make sure NO one is 'rich' except for the senior party members of course.

Equality- We make sure you are all equally BROKE and in the same equal poverty.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Sunday, 12 December 2010 12:20:12 PM
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Well, the deal is Done. Looks like we now owe approx $2400 per household per year to the UN, to redistribute to Military dictatorships for 'climate abatement'. You must be able to shoot CO2 out of the sky with AK 47s.
Posted by Atman, Sunday, 12 December 2010 3:03:50 PM
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