How is important to Australian people and the manufacturing sector that we should buy Australian?

Or

It doesn’t really matter even though will cost jobs, livelihoods and personal pride.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton

It is important to buy australian goods to keep capital in Australia, but if there is a chinese product that is $5 and the Australian one is $7, which one are people going to buy; just remember that for the $5 product theres still a profit event though they had to pay to ship the product, and pay customs fees.
The Australian company has 2 options produce the items cheaply and improove the quality, or go bankrupt. the reason the whitlam government got ride of most of the Tradiffs was to make Australian products more competitive.

I just buy whatever is cheapest. If the Australian product is of the same quality but more expensive, this is a reflection of the higher cost of labour or doing business in Australia. There is a labour shortage in Australia, which means there are more than enough things for Australians to do for which the market can support the high price of Australian labour (ie higher wages). We might as well get some dirt poor Asian who is struggling to feed his family to do the boring, nasty jobs and let Australians move on to the more lucrative jobs. Everyone benefits, and anyone who loses a job should not have too much difficulty finding a new one.

There are plumbers around who won't get out of bed for under $1000 a day. Anyone who complains that Australian jobs need protecting and the the poor people overseas can just go hungry is really jsut defending some kind of incompetence. Now is the time to expose our industries to full competition, not coddle them.

So one would have to say that since Kevin Rudd is the leader of the ALP that his policy on inductrial relations and Australian product if he has one is a sham,lier,hypocrocy,decietful.

So the ALP is not out to support workers,the manufacturing sector or families.

So one would also have to say that wages will be going down further so Australian Product can be competitive.

So anything that comes out off his mouth is nothing but crap.
Anyone want to by a Kevin07 T Shirt made overseas by low paid workers, supported by the ALP and unions.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton.

Tapp,

Your foaming at the mouth doesn't reflect well on independant candidates.

Free diver was only pointing out the very well established benefits of trade. High Australian labour costs at a time of near full employment suggest, as FD says, that Australians have sufficient to do that "contracting out" some of the "low end" manufacturing work is sensible.

An Australian company producing widgets for $7 here, that can be produced in China and imported to Australia for $5, really should be looking to put their capital into higher skilled industries where Australia's competitive advantages lie.

Think about it. Where is the sense in utilising Australia's much better educated workforce to manufacture T-shirts, even for Kevin and the ALP?

If you truly aspire to represent this great country as a member of Parliament, please make it a point to study a little economic theory. There's enough ignorance in Parliament already.

I am not fumming at the mouth of posters.

I am fumming at the fact this moron is saying believe in me but dont buy australian, i dont so why should you.

I dont believe in workers, or the manufacturing sector and the unions have said nothing and their are many out their who are still gullible that he is there for you.

You best tell those in the clothing business.
As a matter of fact I found a 100% owned, made and produced supplier today and at good price so kevin rudd only did it to say to us stuff australian product buy overseas.

I understand freediver and our other poster but kevin rudd is standing up for workers.

Hello

and being a independent candidate at least i will say it and speak the truth on the matter.
will you.
So what we can do is say labor isnt concerned about wether you make it here and by the way your jobs no longer exist.

the problem is that every society has a spectrum of humanity, bright, dim, and everything in between. when you move the simple jobs offshore, you disconnect part of the oz people from any chance to participate in society. and it's not just the bottom: a lot of tradesmen have been made redundant by tariff reduction, and nowadays even high level i t jobs are traveling to india and china.

we will have to rely on everyone to defend oz when the next serious war comes along. and it will.. if we take the view that some are dispensable now, which side will they be on then? if we throw people away, can we be surprised if they steal, mug, deal drugs?

are high tariffs the answer? most say no, but they are people who profit from saying "no". a society that doesn't spend enough money on educating it's children is creating an underclass which cannot respond to globalization. when good education and job training are available for everyone there is a case for globalization, but the same people who press this case also want to spend education money on private schools while starving the public system. simple hypocrisy is the only way to characterize this behavior.

"when you move the simple jobs offshore, you disconnect part of the oz people from any chance to participate in society.

Not necessarily. All human labour, even toilet cleaning, is highly priced in Australia at the moment. You can't shift toilet cleaning overseas.

"and it's not just the bottom: a lot of tradesmen have been made redundant by tariff reduction

Most plumbers are currently getting paid a lot more than me.

"we will have to rely on everyone to defend oz when the next serious war comes along. and it will..

It might. It might not. Setting up trade barriers to restrict the spread of wealth to poor countries will drastically increase the risk of war. There is no limit to the amount of wealth that can be created. There is no need to try to hoarde it. It hurts ourselves just as much as it hurts everyone else. If the war comes, it will the societies that have opened themselves to competition that do best, not the backwards looking protectionist societies. The rest of the world will move on without us if they have to.

"are high tariffs the answer? most say no, but they are people who profit from saying "no".

There are far more locals that profit significantly from sAying yes than from saying no. The politics is definitely in favour of protection, because the benefit is spread far mroe thinly from free trade.

"a society that doesn't spend enough money on educating it's children is creating an underclass

red herring

For over 20 years, long before it became a fad, I marketed a range of water/energy saving equiptment. This gear was made to last, so most of it was brass, much of it chrome plated, with parts made for us by a number of Oz companies.

Competitors appeared, with imported products, at prices we could not even approach, & forced us to go offshore for components.

What I could not understand was how Asian manufacturers could supply products, to our design, finished, [chrome plated, & assembled, with a couple of seals] for less than the cost of the brass in Oz.

We still exported some Oz products, where we had patent protection, but I lost a lot of enthusiasm for the business the first time our imports exceeded our exports.

One of these days I must look into why our brass is so expensive, now I have the time.

Could it be that those overseas countries can manufacture cheaper than Australia because they don't have such an immorally huge public service to keep. i.e. nearly half of australia's working population is in the public service & under very generous conditions. Apart from paying GST this massive sector is not producing any revenue. On the contrary, it is the greatest gobbler of public funding. The productive sector does not automatically get those huge Super payments, it has to fund it's own ! The horrifying fact is that bureaucracy is using up more than it produces, whereas the manufacturing sector is paying more than it can sell.
The end result is that public funding is being constantly used to prop up a flailing manufacturing sector and the consumer goes for the cheaper imports. It is a downward spiral that can only be pulled out from by getting serious with a wage system based on performance & need. without exception, all higher ranking public servants are paid too much with little or no contribution to our society. It is an undeniable fact that most of the economic problems in today's society stem from the utterly useless & excessively costly bureaucracy. How can we ever expect to get on top of these problems when non-performing public servants can only be removed from a position through promotion.

Quote from Rev Dr Gordon Moyes NSW Upper House.
Every item on sale was made in China. China has become the factory of the world. America is the supermarket. India has become the call-centre for air flights, insurance policies and details of your banking. India has become the IT department for the world. Australia no longer manufactures goods but as the resources boom indicates, we have become the quarry of the world with all our supplies of iron ore, bauxite, nickel and so on. 3. People do not care where a product is made, or how these goods ship our jobs overseas, they only care about the price.

Most jobs in manufacturing industries have now gone to China. All computer tasks are now done in India. Ford motorcar engines are no longer made in Geelong, that work has gone to Mexico and the Philippines.

The coming of the threshing machines caused the Tolpuddle martyrs to break them in a vain attempt to stop the agricultural revolution. For their trouble they were sent as convicts to Sydney. The Industrial revolution caused children and women to work in mines and factories until machines took their jobs. Today the issue is globalization, one world, one labour force, one manufacturer, one communication network and many points of sales.

Some Australian companies are doing well, BHP Billiton is digging quarries everywhere. Rio Tinto employs hundreds of thousands in a dozen countries. Manchester United won at Wembley in the new Multiplex stadium. Rupert Murdoch amuses the world on their TV’s and teaches them to read his newspapers. The Chinese Olympics are being run by Australian designers, architects, stage promoters and officials.
The nations of the world are becoming more economically inter-dependent, but their leaders are coming to Sydney to discuss it because we can do that best and most securely.

Most of us aren't happy with our loss of jobs overseas, and tables loaded with food grown and processed under uncertain hygiene. Some advocate putting up shutters, fighting free trade with protective barriers and heavy duties. They are the modern day Tolpuddle martyrs.
cont

People want to buy better goods at a cheaper price regardless.

It doesn't much matter that your tennis shoes are made overseas, because the rest of your wardrobes comes from there anyhow. You don't know where your computer parts are made and your programs are written. But it wasn't in Australia. You might think your credit card charges are entered in somewhere down the road, but it probably was in Mumbai. That is closer to your bank records than you are. Even your on-line tax preparer is somewhere else. You may think your surgeon is looking at your X-rays, but he is taking advice from a panel of experts in USA who have your internals on their computer screens.

Protectionism always backfires. Protecting old jobs is never as good as creating new ones. For the first time in human history world poverty is being beaten, not by gifts from wealthy countries, but because even the poorest of countries can do something for the global market. Trade always beats aid. The money we spend in India, China, Africa, Indonesia, the Philippines and so on is being multiplied there beyond all our aid.

What can we do about it? Make sure our education system is at world best practise. Train our youth to be creative. Encourage your grandchildren to take jobs that can't be sent overseas like high-cost hair-dressers, (they can't do that in Mumbai!) or home renovators, or in the arts, maths and science, or in the repair and installation industries, or human services, teaching, nursing, medicine, dentistry, hospitality, green engineering, and so on. Quality will always count.

Some Christians want to hold onto what it was like when we were very young. They do not like change and are fearful for our future. Their preferred gear is reverse. But the global revolution is all over us, and like it or not, we have already accepted its benefits. Now we must find our future by thinking creatively, and by looking to the future because that is where God is.
Rev The Hon Dr Gordon Moyes AC MLC

Reducing import consumption in an effort to lessen our chronic trade deficit is perhaps the best economic case for buying Australian owned and made products. Our trade imbalance is being financed by borrowing from overseas and by selling domestic assets to foreigners. We are constantly told that this deficit-induced debt is private and is, therefore, irrelevant as the Federal Government is running a surplus. However, this is a fallacious argument as the debt must still be serviced and the money required for servicing it continues to increase, and this, together with our insatiable demand for imported products, means that Australia’s foreign debt will keep ballooning at an accelerated rate. An ever-growing debt-servicing burden has implications for the entire nation, especially if/when our terms of trade change for the worse.

Kenneth Davidson at The Age recently examined the findings of chief economist of HSBC bank, Dr John Edwards, in a paper prepared for the Committee for Economic Development of Australia. Davidson wrote:

"According to Edwards, if Australia wants to stabilise net foreign liabilities at 100 per cent of GDP, it must permanently limit the current account deficit to a maximum of 5 per cent of GDP, and it must do so by running a trade surplus of 1 per cent of GDP. This doesn't look too much of an ask, but given that in recent years Australia has been running a trade deficit of 3 per cent of GDP, Edwards points out: "The move to a surplus of 1 per cent of GDP means that exports have to increase by 4 per cent of GDP or imports cut by 4 per cent of GDP, or some mix of the two."

To put these shifts in context: the weight of the adjustment must fall on consumption rather than investment because investment is needed either to increase exports or achieve the necessary import substitution to avoid the necessity of the adjustment occurring in the context of a shrinking economy and rising unemployment."

http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/foreign-debt-a-cause-for-concern/2007/05/20/1179601239331.html

individual has a good point in my eyes. Skill shortages are closely related to the obesity epidemic (or maybe not you judge)it seems to me that people currently will do a lot to avoid physical labour hence the ever expanding public service and advisory rolls that are created with public money everday.
Those AUSTRALIAN companies that have made the effort to compete within the market should be given the respect and support the government and Australian people even for the sake of a few dollars.
Also how many of you red tape types out there are willing to unclog my septic for under $1000 please reply and ill get you in! ASAP