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http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-to-push-for-setka-s-expulsion-from-alp-over-batty-comments-20190611-p51wgt.html
Seka, almost a swear word, he infests the trade union movement in the state of Victoria, as head of the thugs and mugs union
Many in the Union/Labor movement would rather I crawl under that filthy rug known as solidarity and ignore him, far from first big mouth small brain blunder
See my union movement has been branded by the thugs and mugs
I have even had death threats while still working, because my union, without trying, took their refugees country members
Seka please consider migrating
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 1:06:12 PM
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Dear Belly,

John Setka the Victorian Secretary of the CFMMEU
certainly has a bad reputation and I think that
Albanese is right in wanting him to resign. Leaders
of union movements must demonstrate the union values.

Apparently Setka's track record is not a good one.
He stormed out of the ALP's National Conference last year
after former PM Kevin Rudd was being awarded party
life membership. Setka called Rudd "a maggot."

To add to that Setka attacked the ABCC and its head
Stephen McBurney last year. Setka tweeted a photograph
of his son and daughter holding a sign saying -
"GO GET FU#KED."

Setka's also facing court charges for harassing a woman.

His recent inappropriate comments on Rosie Batty
must have been the last straw for Albanese.

The union can't be blamed though for the actions
of one man. Bill Shorten was close to CFMMEU, sometimes
relying on it for numbers. And Albanese avoided
criticising the union more generally.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 3:59:34 PM
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In the 1990s, a convoy to Canberra by unionists was held
The CFMEU ruined it by a violent attack on parliament house
Time after time THUGS from that union made early morning visits to site managers homes! terrifying wives and children
Few remember [purely so they could take over the membership] this union worked hard to have the NSW builders workers union deregistered
Hiring huge men , usually not very bright, they farm ugliness and violence against even their own members
Outside the Sydney metropolitan area, they demand Sydney rates for bush workers, get them, but see tradesmen do the Laboring work because they just can not pay
No union in my view,on leaving my job, they offered me a job, could have made it very successful but would rather starve than work for thugs doing great harm to the whole union movement
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 4:19:50 PM
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That's about right for the Labor party -don't like what someone says; kick 'em out. Better still, tell them to 'migrate', get out of the country. None of that free speech rubbish for Labor.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 4:48:54 PM
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It seems that John Sekta is being condemned more for what it is alleged he did or said to another woman prior to the Batty fuss rather than the fact that he thinks Batty's activities have reduced men's rights when it comes to children.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 5:29:00 PM
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Dear Belly,

At least the Labor leader is taking action against
a habitual nuisance whose actions consistently
undermine the reputation and values of the team.
Unlike other leaders who
will excuse and try to justify inappropriate
behaviour despite the harm that it does to
everyone else. Kudos to Albanese!
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 5:48:01 PM
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I only just saw & heard this Seka bloke on the News & the first thought that went through my mind was what an insufferable personality !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 6:14:29 PM
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Thanks Indy.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 6:44:34 PM
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If this bloke is as bad as he has been portrayed, there has been plenty of time to get rid of him in the past. Suddenly jumping on him for saying something that many other people would endorse is pretty pathetic, and shows that freedom of speech is certainly under threat in Australia. We were very lucky indeed to avoid having a Labor government. And, all Morrison used the event for was to point out that there were other thugs in unions to be got rid of.

Even the worst people in society are entitled to express an opinion. If they are not, we are all doomed to tyranny.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 7:19:28 PM
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This was not an ordinary bloke expressing an
opinion. This was the Victorian Secretary of
the CFMMEU union. He represents the union and
its values and he is expected to demonstrate
those values in his job. This was not the first
time either that his behaviour has been called
into question. Three strikes and you're out,
as they say. He's had his chances and he's blown them.
Defending him under the guise of freedom of speech
is absurd.

This is not about freedom of speech. This is about
his leadership position, and the requirement of
acceptable behaviour that this man's job calls
for. He failed to live up to the expectations
required of the position he held. After several
mishaps - he'll now pay the consequences.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 10:44:39 PM
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ttbn Sir you truly are a lost sole
In truth [read may post history,even some of my very first]
I other unionists, and ALP members have known the thugs and mugs for what they are
You can see their city members marching and shouting, find me one UMFRA, underground coal miners union [now part of that union] marching with them
Yes miners pay thousands, each, to be in that union, and it funds Labor, the greens, and Bob Katter
Well past time Labor did this, it must focus on middle Australia, not a criminal group damaging the whole union movement
There are many men like this idiot wearing that shirt
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 8:08:57 AM
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yes ttbn

Mark Latham nailed it in saying that you are not allowed to have an opinion different from the secularised saint Ms Batty. While I greatly sympathise with her there is no doubt that some of her blanket statements about men are insulting and wrong. Albanese is simply playing politics.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 9:22:49 AM
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runner,

It's certainly about politics; nothing whatever to do with Batty's integrity. If this union official is as bad as he is reported to be by the media, it is a disgrace that Labor didn't dump him a long time ago. Now, the hypocrites, using a single incident of him expressing an opinion many others would agree with, are falling over themselves to toady to loudmouthed feminists in anticipation of votes.

I find Ms. Batty to be an obnoxious and irritating person, one of the far too many posers making a virtual career out of the death of another person, sounding off that they 'don't want it to happen to others', knowing full well that they can't do anything to stop it. But that's the sort of society we live in these days. I wouldn't even venture an opinion under normal circumstances, and my main interest here is the gross hypocrisy and virtue-signalling of Labor, throwing someone to the wolves who might well deserve it, but doing so only when suits them politically.

Belly,

I undertook not to criticise you personally, and I have stuck to that undertaking, lately commenting on what you say. But, as you have chosen to make a personal criticism of me I would like to point out to you that a "sole" is a fish or the bottom of a shoe. Let me worry about my soul. For heaven's sake, man, stop making a fool of yourself
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 10:44:06 AM
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John Setka is a complete louse.

The problem is that this vile behaviour from him and many other heavies has been common knowledge for years and until now there has been zero criticism from the left whingers.

My opinion is that Albo's sudden rise from the moral turpitude that is the CFMEU is more to do with a power struggle than any rare display of decency.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 10:49:22 AM
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"Interesting place the Australian Labor Party where you can be kicked out not because of what you do but rather because of what you think."

From Catallaxy Files this morning.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 10:53:43 AM
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John Setka will be facing criminal charges in court on
June 25th. He has a history of criminal behaviour.
The man should have been sacked years ago. His past
record speaks for itself.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:03:13 AM
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I see no one arguing against what you are saying Foxy.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:18:37 AM
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It has been going on for years.

In the late 70s we took a large tourist launch, [112 Ft] to our usual slip in MacKay, little knowing it had been taken over by the painters & Dockers. Not owned, just taken over.

We were not allowed to do any work under the boat ourselves, Must be union only. They took a good sandblaster off cleaning the hull, as he was working too quickly. The stuffed around the rest of the day doing nothing, then demanded arc lights be hired so they could work all night at double time. the slipping cost about 2.5 times normal cost.

We did not take other boasts, & neither did others, & the slip closed about 8 months later. It only reopened when all the union heavies had left town, & was back to normal usage.

Southern unionists cot control of the workforce at NQEA in Cairns, when they were building Navy patrol boats. With a lot of strikes, they forced all sorts of business destroying changes including 49 day fortnights. This was totally unworkable for smaller businesses who so often have just one person in many high tech jobs. With the patrol boats gone, they closed for 3 months, only reopening at the request of their old local workforce.

Bad union leadership can & does destroy whole industries. We once had a car industry, as did the UK, both destroyed by excessive union demands. The UK had coal mines, & we had best make sure we don't let unions, or the greens destroy ours.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 12:54:01 PM
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Hasbeen,
Despite your blindly ant-union narrative, it was the combination of the high Aussie dollar and the Abbott government's refusal to continue subsidies that destroyed our car industry.
And ITYF the UK still has a car industry: there's a large Nissan factory at Sunderland.
But when I was in Britain around the turn of the millennium, some industries still had dinosaur unions who wanted to be paid according to the value of the economic damage they could do by striking. Their ultra-adversarial style was very different to Australia where the '70s slackers were no longer calling the shots, the BLF had been outlawed a decade earlier, and there was a strong consensus that productivity is important, and that employers and employees should share the benefits of productivity gains.

Setka is the most prominent of the ex-BLF militants now in the CFMEU, and it's not at all surprising that Albo wants to get rid of him on any available pretext.
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 2:16:16 PM
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Aiden stand midst 400 construction workers, two Unions AWU CFMEU hear an out of control thug tell them you, in this case me, should be kicked to death [promise he refused combat after the workers left]
Not city workers, not CFMEU heartland, not Setka, just a clone, see they train men to be thugs
Almost every delegate from that union joined mine that day
Sit outskirts of a regional city, at a shut down,[rebuild of existing plant] after finding out a contractor has not paid super
I closed his job, sat him down to wait for bank evidence he had done as promised
CFMEU official? screamed at him! threatened to? *rape him*[he could have that on his own]
Such behavior is standard for a union living in the past, hating for the sake of it, proudly on its web page naming itsself *Australians only true militant union*
Yes Australia's Weakest Union, because we never ever can be as dreadful as them
But the insults to every union can be laid at the feet of a few far left lost unions
Labor has a leader that will return us to power, it too will confront idiots harming unionism
CFMEU is such a union
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 4:57:22 PM
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Aiden, in truth did not read your post in full, you have my respect, you understand the subject
Many do not, unwell and out of bed early, I am heated at the Marine union [now part of the thugs and mugs]calling for Albo to go
If any single thing I say, about this creepy thuggish union, is untrue then I am worthless
Stood in their HQ in Lidcom [Sydney] negotiating a two union construction agreement
Had to listen as a thug [standard issue but unknown here]asked in a loud voice who did the very nice female IR person, have to *have sex with* to get her job
NSW Government multi union forum, an ex thug[but still worthless] asked another female IR person *how many bars of gold she had to pay her husband* as a wedding gift [ she is from India]
Labor must move forward the real union movement too, the leftist thugs unions [there are three] are yesterday
The future needs unions that * at the least* can find Australians to lead them
It was from these sleazy fools the RUMOR Labor was to imposed death taxes came
A Labor party that lets such as them set the agenda is no friend of the workers
Thankfully that rumor while damaging was untrue, now must mark the start of the deregistration of Australia's worst union
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 June 2019 3:36:52 AM
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Needs to be said, outside the city's this union struggles, see while picking huge men brains is not a consideration
Call a bush worker Comrade and you may end up on your back
Promise him 8 percent wage rise per year and he may forget he has a brain
City rates, set with the help of hard core unionists and less workers with the abilities and skills are not transferable
Bush/country towns cities, struggle after a while because the rates can not be sustained there
Effects? casualisation of the workforce, once highly paid now a victim of one unions stupidity
AWU Australia's Weakest Union?
Throw away insult,because on two union sites they/we must demand the same, over priced rate
But on our own site we traded lower increase for no casuals more paid time away from work better work conditions
That last few lines is why country bosses pursued that union for an agreement not the vile left of reality thugs and mugs
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 June 2019 3:48:41 AM
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The CFMMEU is a tough union operating in a tough environment, where accidents and death are still common place. The namby pamby office types will never understand the different industrial world the large scale construction site is. When it comes to getting the best for the workers during negotiations the CFMMEU does its job, its no place for the faint-hearted sellouts.

As for John Setka and his Labor Party membership, the ALP claims to be a broad based inclusive party where members with differing opinions are welcome, in Setka's case that does not seem to hold true.

What Albo should be deriding is the unacceptable number of injuries and death in the building industry. What does he have to say about the shonky operators, the unsafe practices, the exploiters and the unqualified cowboys that still exist within the building game and else where, the very things and people that the CFMMEU fight against, Albo is silent on.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 13 June 2019 5:08:01 AM
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Paul you are entitled to have your opinion, so am I
CFMEU are bottom feeders
Many more stories exist about foul low insults to women, more smashing of bosses offices
UNLESS the ALP understands the true left harms us, invites us to be no more likely to ever govern than the greens, my movement dies
This country will never elect a socialist government
It will never fall for the scripted acts of unwed parents this mob, nationwide is
Hunter Valley, home of the owner of a small, 20 men, construction firm, 4am INVASION, no knock on door kick it open, wife at home alone terrified
by it, however she was screamed at told her husband would be harmed[killed] if he did not put his team in that union
I found [after being invited at 9 am, to address the workers] in that home, they fished and played golf with their boss, had friday bar b qs before work, and wanted to be in a union, not that one, no mate industrial thugs have no place in unionism
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 June 2019 7:18:59 AM
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Setka even looks shifty, not his fault of course but it doesn't help him either !
(I know only too well how that feels)
Posted by individual, Thursday, 13 June 2019 11:55:27 AM
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Personally I think that all globalist, Greens and unionist should move to Victoria. Leave the rest of us alone to work hard and enjoy the fruit of out Labour. You guys are sickening.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:43:04 PM
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runner,

Funny - we think you're awesome.

God love ya!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 13 June 2019 1:06:24 PM
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runner,
Why are you under the impression that globalists, greens and unionists want to prevent you working hard and enjoying the fruit of your labour?
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 13 June 2019 1:17:34 PM
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Runner! need your help on this! I like you am waiting as fast as I can
If you see it before me, please give me a yell, would not miss it for quids
Your first original thought that is
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 June 2019 1:22:24 PM
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The right of the Labor party and unions both are calling for the thug to leave
Unwatched by many is a great harm he and those like him could inflict on all unions
Powers to deregister
Much damage, workchoices, has been inflicted on all because of these fools
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 June 2019 4:02:52 PM
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ACTU secretary, Sally McManus, calling for John Setka to resign today, said that the advice to him was "unrelated to Rosie Batty" but was based on a "whole range of issues".

So, the relatively insignificant Batty and Sekta's perfectly legitimate comment about her actions - an opinion often aired by other men with better reputations than Sekta - was just gutless Labor's appeal to the popular, current 'poor, hard done by women' fad which, they thought, would earn them Brownie points with the electorate, knowing that most people these days don't give a stuff about unions. They didn't know, apparently, that as many people don't give a stuff about Rosie Batty, and believe that everyone is entitled to have an opinion on the activities of a political activist such as her.

Only the union membership that elected Sekta can remove him, and they should stick by him as a demonstration of their belief in freedom of speech and thought. He might very well have some nasty ways, but the cowardly way that the Leader of the Opposition has gone about trying to get rid of him - totally unrelated to his official duties - needs to be resisted on principle.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 13 June 2019 5:39:14 PM
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I could have posted ten links, then ten more, about the man/union
Everyone, because of my views and understanding of him/them, would call for his head
Amused? rolling o0n the floor laughing!
At the sheer joy the very lost very far right are getting, *from defending him!*
A little sadness too
Knowing a good bloke Paul, is baffled by my anti union setka stance
Well not even close,see few understand by its actions, even leaving out the thugs bit, and highlighting the mugs,no one harms the trade union movement/Construction workers more, even as much as the CFMEU
Margaret Thatcher an infamous name for Labour/workers/unions, and more gave Britain, then us our current EBA [Enterprise Bargaining agreement Agreements]
And OHAS [Occupational Health and Safety]
We unionists raised hell about it, but thanks to the great Bob Hawke [vale great man on this day remembering him] we adopted both
After a while we found real gains for workers and bosses came from both
Others found ways to twist both and use it as a weapon
continued
Posted by Belly, Friday, 14 June 2019 7:32:21 AM
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Hunter Valley NSW a new coal mine being constructed, a two union site
Both unions, on a mine site soon to be a near one union site [only one could legally cover coal mines]
But For the construction about 90 percent overall in a union
My union near half,boss? anti all union playing hard ball
Boss seemed green, unaware how much power OHAS gave workers/unions
My demand full and overflowing leaking toilet *two meters in front of lunch room must be fixed,no was the answer
We marched, me and all lunch shed in to bosses office, via the very muddy ground of toilet, problem fixed after we said we would wait there until that shed was moved
CFMEU? for a while our actions got the mouth of the spotlight
They ORDERED a delegate to wear old worn boots to work the next day!
Then invaded the site office trashing the place, swearing and screaming, got every worker on site [wearing company issued good footwear new boots!
MUGS, boss by his action in giving in and that union for being most of the reason folks hate us all
CFMEU membership outside the city's has fallen to near nil its members are either refugees in other unions or anti union till death, and some support it?
Posted by Belly, Friday, 14 June 2019 7:47:57 AM
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http://www.9news.com.au/national/federal-politics-australia-labor-party-john-setka-expulsion-anthony-albanese-news/8d72e02b-0d52-4ce8-9708-60d5d446cf58
This is a test
It asks has the Australian Labor party got a future
It shouts about some who will be rocked by Labors return to voters even if it turns its back on the extremists who want things voters never will
Politics is about passing tests we will pass this one
Posted by Belly, Friday, 14 June 2019 8:59:05 AM
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YES! I have noted the usual suspects had little to say here
See I spoke the truth, here and elsewhere,workers/Labor voters, other unions, knew long ago the thugs and mugs are out of control
And for some posting is only fun if they do not agree
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 15 June 2019 4:34:49 PM
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Hi Belly,

If the CFMMEU is not the acceptable face of unionism is this country, then tell me what is? The SDA, Australia's biggest union, a sell out of gift vouchers and trinkets for its members, whilst pay and conditions head south! The HSU, now there's a union that will do for its members, WOW! The right wing AWU, who can say what they have ever done to promote the cause of workers. Love em' or hate em' the thing in the CFMMEU favour is the membership supports the union, and are more than thankful for the benefits union membership brings them. Can others say that.

In my time as a active delegate of the AMWSU, you would consider me centre in a left wing union, I had occasions to be involved in union matters, such as contentious site agreements, with the likes of Norm Galagher the Victorian head of the BLF, who would take it upon himself, from time to time, to get involved in the affairs of the NSW branch. Big Norm was a thoroughly obnoxious character who used his "charm" to get what he wanted. If he was obnoxious to other unions, he was terrorising to employers. It was nothing for Big Norm to throw plenty of f's and c's at the enemy, and that was us, heaven help those on the other side of the fence. Maybe Setka is another Galagher, I don't know.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 16 June 2019 7:42:15 AM
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Paul have you seen them time after time in action on a work site
Did you see they worked against Shorten in the election
Scomo knew the average worker will not wear them
Have you heard ordinary blue collar workers say they will never vote Labor because of that union
IF NOTHING ELSE
The election should have drove home voters are never going to be leftists
That is why I rebutte the silly charges leveled here
Every news paper this day, is saying LABOR KNEW and we did,the CFMEU highlight Victoria, was out of control
AND WE DID, just as we knew about Obeid and a host of truth filth in our ranks
Solidarity if used to cover for such, s blind stupidity
The future is our challenge we have no need of cfmeu hampering us go ALBO
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:55:08 AM
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strangest thing watching this episode is the feminist Mc Mannus telling the thug Seka to resign. I doubt whether either of these 2 represent the average worker. Interesting whether feminist virtue signalling will win out against thuggery. Labour obviously have never worried about the thuggery especially with such big payments being made to them. Now however Seka has supposedly challenged the feminist mantra (all men are abusers) and Labour demand resignation. Hard finding anyone involved in this including Albo with any credibility whatsoever.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 16 June 2019 2:42:17 PM
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runner,
If Labor never worries about the thuggery, why did the Hawke government ban the BLF?
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 16 June 2019 2:45:03 PM
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'If Labor never worries about the thuggery, why did the Hawke government ban the BLF?'

Yes Aiden to be replaced by ?? We would not be having this discussion if Labour had not been receiving millions upon millions from the CFMEU. You can live in your dream world if you like.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 16 June 2019 2:51:48 PM
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John Setka is under increasing pressure from
national union leaders to resign. Union leaders
are backing the call of ACTU
Secretary Sally McManus for the Victorian
construction union boss to quit.

Anthony Albanese won't cut Labor's union ties but will
seek John Setka's party expulsion. And rightly so.

The Australian newspaper has revealed some of
Mr Setka's criminal record.Which speaks for itself.
He was charged 60 times with serious offences
between 1982 - 1991
in a violent battle with the law.

Mr Setka was convicted or fined in relation
to 40 of these offences (one of which was dropped after
an appeal). That still makes it an extra-ordinary rap
sheet for one of the nation's most influential members
of the construction industry.

Mr Setka's criminal history which includes his
fingerprint classification and a jail number shows that
Mr Setka was found guilty multiple times for indecent
language, assault, assaulting police, and workers, and
wilful harrassment and trespass.

He is due in court on June 26th for further criminal
charges.

Labor and the unions are right to see this man kicked out.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 16 June 2019 3:53:40 PM
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Foxy much thought, understanding, and involvement has gone in to my opinion of this man, his union nationwide, and his state branch
Aiden you have it right, but runner is not worth the effort truly
He taints true Christianity with his bigotry, is so far right he cannot be expected to know much
My greatest joy in life came out of the trust my union and members had in me
Some true trade unionists would confront the movement, they hate being called comrade, or being put in leftist boxes
CFMEU, is worse than the BLF ever was
RUNNER by his slightly unhinged comments [have they ever been other than that?] overlooks I a committed trade unionist and ALP member have told the truth about these bottom dwellers in this thread
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 16 June 2019 4:17:59 PM
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Years ago the CFMEU a miners and City construction union took over timber workers pipe makers [clay] and branched out in to country Australia
Hunting membership
TheY used strong arm tactics on bosses and promised big pay rises for construction workers
At about this time the AWU had gone in to an amalgamation , it was rocky and nearly failed
Bill Shorten old school AWU, like myself, held us together
Federal industrial relations court heard a challenge from the CFMEU trying to take AWU coverage
I was a key witness, we won, still a delegate then that union, unseen for ten years,had one member in an area of 350 klm, my union had near thirty,EX cfmeu, each had asked me could they join us[over 300 members]
We took them
Soon civil construction workers gained 5 8 and even more percent for each of three year terms [enterprise agreements last three year mostly]
BUT warnings workers priced themselves out of a job, went unheard
TODAY few, very few, full time jobs are held, high wages forced by militants,introduced casual workers on much lower pay out numbering the few full timers
thank you CFMEU
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 16 June 2019 4:32:40 PM
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Dear Belly,

I respect your knowledge of unions.
And your opinion of what's currently going on
with the CFMEU. You have lived experience.

Ignore the rantings of those who merely stalk
this forum with their "drive-by" comments.
Not worth getting upset about or giving them
a platform.

I see no point in arguing with them. They do
a fine job of proving their complete ignorance
on their own.

You could try explaining things to them but you
can't understand it for them. So what's the point?
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 16 June 2019 4:58:35 PM
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My thanks Foxy, as always a bright light in a dark place
It is worth noting many here are totally against the Union and Labor movements
But two understand very little about both
Had this thread been one protecting this man, or his union, the pure bile would have flowed
Hearing the truth, from a committed and understanding person is confronting
See they post a blindness that is unrelated to the truth
I could tell of time after time, abuse of women not yet told here
Many a young lady , first stop on the way into the bosses office, has been subjected to pure low filth, from men who should know better
Labor, stalled by fear of self harm, has wanted for many years, to stop the thugs and mugs damaging us
Watch, see, the CFMEU will get closer to and increase its funding to the Greens
Labor? we will bring the future great Government about by looking to the future not the mid 1960,s
Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 June 2019 7:13:50 AM
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Foxy,

I don't disagree with what Belly is saying. The poor/criminal behaviour of the CFMEU and a few other unions is essentially the main reason why the TURC was put in place and probably the reason that union numbers have fallen to an all time low.

That Labor and the Greens get $ms in tax free donations from these criminal organisations is why both parties provide protection to the likes of Setka, run interference and put in place legislation that gives the unions exclusive rights to represent millions of people the vast majority of whom are not union members and many of whom want nothing to do with the unions.

It is time that the government deregistered the CFMEU.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 17 June 2019 8:05:48 AM
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"Rosie Batty’s campaign is part of the folk law of the lunatic left. Its propaganda, so well received, is that domestic violence is principally that by men against women. Unfortunately, like most myth’s it is built on a half-truth, perhaps a truth even smaller than that. Batty’s campaign is based upon her own, tragic personal experience, which just happens to fit the lunatic left’s injustice manual". (David Long, 'What About John Setka's Freedom of Speech', The Spectator)
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 17 June 2019 9:19:16 AM
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The truth is Shadow Minister many more thank you would think,on my side of the fence agree with my views
Google the parliament house riot they lead, my union's people got on the bus refusing to take any part
Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 June 2019 11:38:59 AM
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'Unfortunately, like most myth’s it is built on a half-truth, perhaps a truth even smaller than that. Batty’s campaign is based upon her own, tragic personal experience, which just happens to fit the lunatic left’s injustice manual".'

so true ttbn. Just happens that fatherless kids happen to turn out the most violent. Look at the level of violence in the 'gay' community. Still its about sides and dogma's rather than truth and solutions unfortunately.
Posted by runner, Monday, 17 June 2019 11:54:44 AM
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We now see some finding reason to dump extreme right hate on that woman
Neatly avoiding the loss of her son,and this count honoring her for her action on behalf of other mothers
Not sure why women haters are usually also Sky news watchers but it is proved by a couple of posts here
Nevertheless rant on gentlemen it is after all the best you can do
Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 June 2019 3:38:26 PM
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runner,

Could you please supply us with evidence to
your claims. Especially about violence in
the gay community and fatherless children?

Thank You.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 17 June 2019 4:41:57 PM
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One of numerous studies I believe Foxy

44 percent of lesbians and 61 percent of bisexual women experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner, compared to 35 percent of heterosexual women

26 percent of gay men and 37 percent of bisexual men experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner, compared to 29 percent of heterosexual men

46 percent of bisexual women have been raped, compared to 17 percent of heterosexual women and 13 percent of lesbians

22 percent of bisexual women have been raped by an intimate partner, compared to 9 percent of heterosexual women

40 percent of gay men and 47 percent of bisexual men have experienced sexual violence other than rape, compared to 21 percent of heterosexual men

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_victimization_final-a.pdf

This is done by a very pro 'gay' group so don't have an ax to grind.
Posted by runner, Monday, 17 June 2019 5:02:41 PM
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a Little more stats for you Foxy

According to "What Can the Federal Government Do To Decrease Crime and Revitalize Communities?" from the U.S. Department of Justice, children from fatherless homes account for:

Suicide: 63 percent of youth suicides
Runaways: 90 percent of all homeless and runaway youths
Behavioral Disorders: 85 percent of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders
High School Dropouts: 71 percent of all high school dropouts
Juvenile Detention Rates: 70 percent of juveniles in state-operated institutions
Substance Abuse: 75 percent of adolescent patients in substance abuse centers
Aggression: 75 percent of rapists motivated by displaced anger

My point all along is certainly we have to deal with abusive fathers/husbands and partners. Without dealing with fatherless families we are peeing in the wind.
Posted by runner, Monday, 17 June 2019 5:07:32 PM
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No joy in it foxy but truth is runner has drifted more to the right and away from reality in the years I have crossed swords with him
This thread is about honesty, dare I? see if the federal government uses the CFMEU to harm all unions?
If however they introduce a bill to deregister that single union?
Labor should support the latter
But forget any help in passing any bill, of any kind, in the chook pen if that bill targets all unions.
Labor lost the election, not on conservative votes ,we clearly confused our own base
That base, the intelligent part of it, wants and end to thugs and mugs trying to run our party
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 1:36:30 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/john-setka-declares-war-on-union-movement-spineless-leakers-20190617-p51ynj.html
Spare me the wet cheeks this union is out of control like the trouble making thing heading it
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 2:17:01 PM
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Well it got aired, and as I knew, hurt some from my side of the paddock
Nevertheless a long life time of knowing workers turn away from the ALP
They do so because they are not truly left, not committed to unions, but mostly because, as I have said here for over a decade, are not, never will be, admirers of lunacy
I HIGHLIGHT Labors long march back to the voters will fail, if any hint this man has won emerges
Labor has not left its base, it followed the voters, had it not, and if it fails to do that now, it will be out of office for far more than the 23 year our last exile was
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 6:37:56 AM
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