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Now We Know; Chinese Warships Visit

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All the twittery and Facebook warriors were right after all;
It was a conspiracy after all.
Here is the proof:- http://tinyurl.com/y48lqlur

It is certain that they were here on strict instructions from home.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 8 June 2019 1:10:29 PM
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Dear Bazz,

It does appear a bit odd.

Our Australian Federal Police raid the Sydney
offices of the ABC over something known as
"The Afghan Files?" and here we are with
Chinese warships in our harbour that even the
State Premier knows nothing about loading up
their ships with baby formula?

The voters have a right to ask - What's going
on?
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 8 June 2019 3:37:21 PM
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China is and will remain a clear and present danger to world peace
Very little we can do about that, we should note America can not be relied on by any of its partners while the yellow peril is in office
Trump apparently mixed the moon up with Mars today
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 8 June 2019 6:14:43 PM
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Yes Belly I agree China is a threat to peace.
There is a great disk pf mothers fighting in the aisles over the last
tins of baby food.
We need to be aware that the Chinese army may arrive next and attack
Coles and Woolies.
To arms ! to defend our children's, err grandchildren's native rights.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 8 June 2019 11:08:33 PM
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Bazz old mate my view remains my view
In 1936 many said Japan was a threat others laughed at them
I can not avoid my truly held fear both Russia and China are powering up as a result of the Trump Presidency
Just this weekend, both stood together against Americas ban on, what clearly seems spying equipment in phone technology
Then the Russian boat thing
America, in its war years was well lead, in fact able to trade guns weapons and goods, to increase its wealth, for Britain's gold and bases
Trump has failed to deliver a deal and he is a weakness the west will one day regret
How do you propose, if war comes, we can stop China walking in and taking what it wants?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 9 June 2019 6:10:34 AM
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Yes Belly I agree China is a threat to peace.
Bazz,
The greater threat is the stupidity of the West !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 9 June 2019 6:48:22 AM
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It's hard believe that the government knew that a hostile country's warships were arriving Sydney but they the public wasn't told, as Morrison claims. On the other hand, it is hard to believe that even China would be so arrogant. We will never know, good little mushrooms that we are.

As for the baby formula buy up: if China wants it, Australia should be exporting it to them in the normal way. It makes us look like fools.

I agree with individual on the stupidity of the West. The most stupid is Australia for not standing up to communist aggression by word and deed. China is no country's friend, and it's intentions are clearly aggressive. Out politicians are cowards, incapable of defending our country. We are almost as pathetic as New Zealand when it comes to defence.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 9 June 2019 10:53:45 AM
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ttbn, the government did know the Chinese ships were coming as they
asked permission to enter. That is the normal custom for warships.
Australia has done the same when entering Chinese ports.
Scomo said when questioned said they asked permission and asked for berths.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 9 June 2019 11:38:02 AM
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Belly said- In 1936 many said Japan was a threat others laughed at them

Answer- Ridicule is a useful tool of politics- so we need to take care about jumping on bandwagons.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 9 June 2019 12:09:45 PM
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Ayn Rand talks about buyers being required to sanction the sellers philosophy for a purchase. In other words we restrict trade with nations that have incompatible philosophies.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 9 June 2019 12:13:00 PM
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Bazz,

Fine. But that doesn't detract from the arrogance of deciding not to tell the public before it happened. China is THE biggest threat to Australia, but our dopey politicians seem to be unaware of that. I'm still not comfortable with Morrison. His body language when he is questioned about some of his actions is worth watching. He is unable to hide his defensiveness and the fact that he doesn't like anyone suggesting that he might be wrong.

Look for the jerky little movements of his head and the pursing of his lips next time you see him asked a curly question.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 9 June 2019 12:29:10 PM
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Bazz you at least, along with indy, know we can not ignore China
Rants that we are as a country ,in any way weak for not confronting them is silly
Should they go to war with us we would be defeated in days
The numbers tell us that
To defeat them more deaths would be needed that those in every war man ever fought
We must try to find a way peace not war is the out come
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 9 June 2019 2:04:16 PM
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CM,

Before you jump on the bandwagon make sure its
playing your song.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 9 June 2019 2:05:43 PM
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As a very young kid, in one of my very rare days at school teacher told us this
If the then population of China[mid 1950,s] marched past a machine gun
That gun could fire forever but be rusted and out of service, long before China ran out of people
China, let's us face the truth, has a history of being misused by countries who colonised it or forced it to trade with us
If we think modern China,now a superpower, and headed towards being the richest nation on earth
Will treat us better than we treated them, we may well be disappointed
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 9 June 2019 4:12:27 PM
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Belly- I tend to agree with what you have said above but add "good things only happen if you make them happen".
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 9 June 2019 4:55:35 PM
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Belly, China is far more of a coloniser than any western nations have ever been.
It is just they never got around the world before the Portuguese did.
They have a word for it Tanaxia, which means that all other countries
are vassel states to the Central Kingdom.
Pres Xi told the US that they are not a sovereign country.
In other words they owe China tribute. (so do we).
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 9 June 2019 5:03:35 PM
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Learn Mandarin, at least you'll be on a better footing and have more chance of a job in the future as it is the Chinese lingua franca.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 9 June 2019 5:35:45 PM
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Bazz please forgive, I see no evidence of widespread Chinese colonies
Please list show compassion to those once held by Spain, England, Holland, Germany, Belgium,Portugal, France
My regards
Posted by Belly, Monday, 10 June 2019 7:03:56 AM
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Where I live is a 'Chinese colony' and the moronic council, that my suburb is in, letterboxed us last week actually BRAGGING that the population within its boundary is 41% foreign-born. It seems that the self-haters cannot wait until we are outnumbered by foreigners.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 10 June 2019 10:59:28 AM
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Nothing like the smell of open bigotry to clear the nostrils,what say we launch in the the Italian colonies around this country
Or the Greek one we call Melbourne
Will not get us anywhere but bring joy to some
Bondi! now them there Kiwis have a hold on that
Brisbane and places north, infested with Victorians!
What shall we do about them?
Posted by Belly, Monday, 10 June 2019 12:00:21 PM
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We need never fear the Chinese will ever invade us? Why should they, they (almost) own us? Generally speaking, you don't need to invade your property. The arrival of four Chinese warships in Sydney was just another way of giving us a veiled warning of the consequence for flouting their authority over us.

And where was ANZUS? Why wasn't a flotilla of US and NZ warships to greet them, albeit peacefully? I've heard a rumour we have or had a small Navy once upon a time. Were they all on leave or stood-down due to lack of interest? We're so weak, as a Nation and as individuals? If we had any courage at all, we'd throw these inept, decrepit politicians aside, and put someone in, who'd strengthen and enhance our Military.

I've no doubt Pine Gap would've been keeping an eye on this maritime circus. Nevertheless, a force in kind would've sent China a very unambiguous message of, don't 'fu.k' with our sovereignty pal!
Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 10 June 2019 1:36:06 PM
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I have honest doubts confrontation would be of any help
And to while not well timed the government was not bending to China by ok ing this visit at this time
China owns us, well we did sell them Dawin, or part of it
Truth is our future is bound to trade with China
But even its own people, see riots in Hong Kong, are not free to do as they wish
Reminiscent of Japan in 1936
Posted by Belly, Monday, 10 June 2019 5:01:57 PM
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The only real difference between the Chinese and Australians, apart from language and eye contours, is that the Australians tend to take a larger size in Chinese made clothing.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 10 June 2019 6:14:43 PM
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Reality is ise mise you in your usual bitter way side step the very real issue
China wears its nice face sometimes but inthe end wants to dominate us all
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 7:44:21 AM
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Belly,

If you don't want to have National Military Service and every able-bodied PERSON trained in the use of arms and encouraged to keep their skills sharp all their lived then you won't have an armed force that is capable of protecting this country.

So put up with it and learn Mandarin.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 9:59:27 AM
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Protecting the country against China. Come on kiddies, even if every able bodied person in the country was loyal to Oz, & trained to SAS level, what the hell would you have us do? Throw boomerangs at them. Perhaps if we threw enough baby food at them, they might head for home, without bothering to land.

It would not be hours, it would be minutes before we were utterly defeated. Think of our 6 Wirraways going up to defend Rabaul against the Jap invasion.

Until & unless we are armed with a couple of hundred nuclear armed cruise missiles, & a hundred or so similarly armed ICBMs pretending our defence force is capable of defending us is just that, pretence & a joke at that.

If we really want to be defended we have to give our forces the weapons to do the job, & enough of them to last more than a few minutes. They have to be lethal, & that means nuclear armed. Anything else is criminal. If we can't overcome our dislike of nuclear weapons, we had better learn how to roll over before our new masters.

The only alternative is we could send SR against them. If he didn't bore them to death, he may get them laughing so hysterically at his ideas they couldn't aim straight
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:12:11 AM
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Ise Miserable you worry me, true, see I adopt the birds hit by cars and nurse them back to health
Stop in the street just to chat with the homeless chuck a few bob their way
Let us return to your rant
Let us are every Australian,men women and kids, 25 million?
One Chinese city out numbers us five to one
RUOK bloke
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:58:07 PM
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Belly,

Then you'll just have to put up with not knowing the local language in the future.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 1:57:01 PM
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Hasbeen agree, never understand why others do not
Now look at this thread, who started it, why it is a needed one
Then look at the contributions of Ise Miserable
He/she seems to want a fight, not to contribute but to play verbale tennis with the subject
Unfortunately his racket has no strings
Watching the ww2 doco Victory at sea 6 disks, often remind myself of how very lucky we had very brave men and women
Hard to go past the scenes of bodys floating on the seas edge, ours, Modern warfare if we are forced to live it, will be even worse
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 8:32:29 AM
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Hi there HASBEEN -

Your last contribution is probably one of the best and most profound you've ever written for The Forum. You've enunciated very clearly indeed, what we as Aussies would need if ever we were to contemplate taking on, the entire Chinese Military machine.

At best, we should try to negotiate our way out of any potential conflict. Even the US, would know they were in a real 'blue' if ever they went up against the Chinese who happen to have a massive nuclear capability.

Notwithstanding, the UK, France, Russia, and the United States, China could hold the world to ransom, by the sheer size of their Military. And I think we should in some measure thank the Chinese for keeping that North Korean lunatic in line, as nobody else seems capable of doing so.
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 9:34:41 AM
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Hasbeen,

Totally agree. We are incapable of defending ourselves, thanks to our low spending on defence. Army recruiting advertisements on TV with women telling us it's "my Army" are not much use.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 10:58:56 AM
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Even if we had all the nuclear capability that we could afford or borrow China would take us out with one pre-emptive strike.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 5:06:16 PM
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I agree ise mise however we both know they if armed only with chop sticks would overrun us
Even if as ttbn rants we each had a nuclear bomb down our pants
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 5:09:01 PM
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Nuclear armed cruise missiles & ICBMs are a damn good bargaining chip. That we could make it unprofitable for an invading force to try to land here is the best way to protect our shore line, not shooting small arms at tank landing craft.

There is no way we could defend ourselves today, even against a minor invader. There is no way we could defeat China. The only approach is to have enough power to do a lot of damage, enough to deter an attack, then negotiate. With our current pop guns, we have nothing to negotiate with.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 7:26:49 PM
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Belly change one word of your last post to get it right. Yes they "could" overrun us, but we have to become costly enough for them not to want to run over us. If the potential cost is too high there is no profit in it for them, particularly when they own so much that would be damaged

The peaceniks hated the mutually assured destruction strategy, but it proved successful. Others may have worked too, although I doubt it, but MAD has proven successful.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 7:41:29 PM
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Hasbeen I fully understood your posts,agree in the most part
Yes you know I too support Nuclear power
And if, and it is if, we do not already have Nuclear weapons we should have
Still convinced not even massive wounds would stop China, they are not know for caring for their own people
They are however known for a very very long term our look
The amusing thing about those peaceniks is they thought if we put are weapons away the otherside would too
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 June 2019 7:34:56 AM
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Of course Belly, we could never hope to defeat China, just make ourselves an undesirable target. While they can get everything they want from us by simply buying us out with the profits of all their manufactured stuff we consume, why would they bother. If we are prickly enough with nuclear arms, that is the easiest & most profitable way for them.

Even the elites in the major countries are not safe from nuclear ICBMs, so they are less likely to want a war, than they were when they could sit safely at home, sending the peasants off to fight.

Lets hope we are collectively smart enough to avoid a major war. With current arms, no one would win such a war.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 13 June 2019 10:23:12 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/fasten-your-seatbelts-china-has-drawn-its-red-lines-against-trump-20190612-p51wy4.html
No matter what your politics the link should remind us there are different types of war
Hasbeen yes agree but does China?
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 June 2019 1:15:37 PM
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