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China going brown.

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The world is waking up to the stupidity of "GREEN" garbage.

Even china is sick of the rubbish, it only got involved to push their windmills & batteries anyway. From various reports.

"China: No More Wind Or Solar If It Can't Beat Coal On Price"
"China Flexes Shale Muscles Output Increases 40%".
"China’s Electric Car Companies Slump Amid Reports Of Subsidy Cuts".

So as usual all this green stuff is a total flop, the moment you remove the ill begotten subsidies from their marketing.

Perhaps green corruption & the gravy train are both about to stop.

Could common sense finally return to our world?
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 12 January 2019 12:32:00 PM
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Only 0.7% of China's energy is produced by unreliables. Isn't it 50% unreliables or some such ludicrous figure the Far Left is going for in Australia?
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 14 January 2019 8:55:17 AM
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Dear Hasbeen,

How' it going old cock? Still only reading the headlines like a 5 year old? It certainly looks like it.

Here is the original Forbes article;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnparnell/2019/01/10/china-no-wind-or-solar-if-it-aint-as-cheap-as-coal/#2f8e37d63e2f

The reason for the Chinese government continuing to withdraw support for solar was because one of the new 500MW plants set its price below the bench mark for coal. It has really shaken the market up and is welcome news for the ongoing viability of the renewables sector in China.

This was the linked article;
“New Chinese Solar Plant Undercuts Cost Of Coal Power”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnparnell/2018/12/30/new-chinese-solar-plant-undercuts-cost-of-coal-power/#386f4a321182

This was interesting too from the earlier article;

“Officials are understood to have been frustrated at seeing Chinese suppliers and engineering firms building solar projects overseas that delivered electricity at prices far below what was available back home.”

Sure they have grid issues to solve but the future of renewables in China looks very bright. Sorry to burst your bubble old fella, better luck next time.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 14 January 2019 11:14:20 AM
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You know Steely, sometimes I think you may actually believe the bulldust you post on here.

I guess anyone who can push the Global Warming scam as hard as you do, must either be on the gravy train, or totally stupid.

Actually I suppose some could be both.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 14 January 2019 11:53:36 AM
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Dear Hasbeen,

Pretty simple mate, I believe it because I go and do the research and back it up.

You should try it sometime.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 14 January 2019 11:58:13 AM
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I think that's checkmate!

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ttbn,
I can't give you any statistics on the reliability of China's electricity supply, but the share of non dispatchable renewables is about five times what you attribute to "unreliables".

And it's rising rapidly!
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 14 January 2019 12:56:18 PM
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SR,

We should celebrate wind and solar becoming so cheap by removing all subsidies.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 14 January 2019 1:53:50 PM
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Aidan,

No figures no story. I gave mine.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 14 January 2019 7:40:30 PM
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MORE HOT AIR AND HYSTERIA

‘The Australian’ recently ran a scare-mongering, let's-get-the-masses-hysterical type of article we have come to expect from the MSM trumpeting that 2018 was the 3rd. hottest year on record; a temperature of 49.3 at Marble Bar was announced in support of the claim.

No mention of the 50.7 degrees at Oodnadatta in 1960.

Before the 'highest ever’ temperature of 49.3 at Marble Bar, other temps at that very hot locality were: 49.2 in 1905; 49.2 in in 1922. 0.1 of a degree cooler. No AGW hysteria then.

And, let's not forget the 50.7 at Oodnadatta in 1960 - no AGW hysteria then, either.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 14 January 2019 7:43:39 PM
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Yes it's hot, but it's all happened before, & with no SUVs to cause it.

In January 1896 a savage blast “like a furnace” stretched across Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks. The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states. Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F (48.9°C) on three days (1)(2)(3). The maximumun at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight.

By Tuesday Jan 14, people were reported falling dead in the streets. Unable to sleep, people in Brewarrina walked the streets at night for hours, the thermometer recording 109F at midnight. Overnight, the temperature did not fall below 103°F. On Jan 18 in Wilcannia, five deaths were recorded in one day, the hospitals were overcrowded and reports said that “more deaths are hourly expected”. By January 24, in Bourke, many businesses had shut down (almost everything bar the hotels). Panic stricken Australians were fleeing to the hills in climate refugee trains. As reported at the time, the government felt the situation was so serious that to save lives and ease the suffering of its citizens they added cheaper train services:
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:45:17 AM
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In the end avoiding the thread would be the wise thing to do
Right now humanity has never been more divided
And it seems that is the plan
Our division is fertile ground for the *freedom* of a world Dictatorship
Promises of fixing every thing , will indeed look better to far too many
In this one issue a country with a human rights record not unlike Hitlers Germany, both uses renewable s and, if this thread is true, if, rejects it
30 Years ago using China, to support anything, not bad, would have been unthinkable
As the world roasts and freezes, as promised by climate change
As poster snear at? honest reports about *what has and is taking place*?
Smug contented THEY are fools I am right, posts resemble a cat playing with a ball of wool left there so they will not notice the dog is behind them
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 4:28:37 AM
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Dear Hasbeen,

This will warm the cockles of your little heart.

While China indeed looks like exceeding its self imposed cap on coal generation capacity according to the link I sent you;

Support for new coal power capacity has been cut with the 13th five-year plan setting a ceiling for total coal capacity at 1100GW. But as reported by CoalSwarm and chinadialogue, the current coal capacity is 993GW and more than 250GW is under construction.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnparnell/2018/12/30/new-chinese-solar-plant-undercuts-cost-of-coal-power/#158aed611182

At least the US under Trump is pulling its weight.

“More U.S. coal-fired power plants were shut in President Donald Trump’s first two years than were retired in the whole of Barack Obama’s first term”

“In total, more than 23,400 megawatts (MW) of coal-fired generation were shut in 2017-2018 versus 14,900 MW in 2009-2012, according to data from Reuters and the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).”

“Generators said they plan to shut around 8,422 MW of coal-fired power and 1,500 MW of nuclear in 2019, while adding 10,900 MW of wind, 8,200 MW of solar and 7,500 MW of gas, according to Reuters and EIA data.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-coal/president-trump-cant-stop-u-s-coal-plants-from-retiring-idUSKCN1P80BY

This is a country which has dropped from the Paris Accords, stripped the regulatory powers of the EPA and promised to subsidise coal mining operations.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 10:22:37 AM
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