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The age of criminal responsibility

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Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Merely as a visitor Steele, as this issue of 'criminal capacity' has always engendered much discussion, within my former organisation. Good speaking with you.
Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 6 December 2018 6:53:22 PM
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Hi Belly,
I think a lot of kids are dysfunctional on account of their upbringings in today's society.

A lot of struggling single mums, and not enough fathers.

No disciple (it's not permitted anymore) no boundaries or responsibilities.

You know what I think?
In the same way they're turning kids gay at one end of the spectrum, they're turning them into dysfunctional little criminals at the other.

There getting more time to be emboldened by getting a free pass being bad.

And these young boys by 11yo - they're done. They think they can pick a fight with the whole entire world and win. It doesn't matter where you put them or where you send them they will seek out more dysfunction.

And how many criminal adults will employ 15year olds to do their crimes?
You've always got to check the fine print.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 6 December 2018 7:40:50 PM
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Armchair Critic again no defense, you have it right
But I am not calling for mandatory lock up
A 16 year old, ten for that matter, may murder someone, commit an armed hold up
May in fact have already had ten get out of gaol passes
Some of our very worst criminals started before that age
Tend to think in this ice blackened world many kids fall after parents fail
Making detention a place for education, isolating the self promoting leaders can be a positive thing
Posted by Belly, Friday, 7 December 2018 4:46:24 AM
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Some children can be held criminally responsible at the age of 14, some adults can't be held criminally responsible at the age of 40. Armchair Critic has a valid point;

//I think a lot of kids are dysfunctional on account of their upbringings in today's society.//

That is not new, it has been the case in the past as well. In a perfect society we would have no failures, no criminals, everyone would be socially responsible and good citizens. Unfortunately our society is not perfect and we have our failures, criminality is a manifestation of that failure. How to deal with the failures is all important, for some its the big stick approach, lock em' up, throw away the key. Unless the problems of society are delt with constructively all that throw away the key nonsense achieves is jails full of criminals.

All children deserve the best of opportunity in life, and when you have a young offender with a well established criminal record, there is a real problem and it needs to be constructively addressed. The aim should always be to reform, and not criminalise the young person to the point where they are going to be a social misfit, and a problem, for the rest of their life. Not easy but it can be done.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 7 December 2018 7:41:24 AM
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Hope you are well O Sung Wu.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 7 December 2018 7:59:16 AM
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Hi Pauol,

I certainly don't support a lock-em-up-and-throw-away-the-key, one-size-fits-all policy. Of course there would be many Indigenous children now with FAS who have no concept of the consequences of their actions - they need far more than simple incarceration, perhaps special hostels for long-term care. Of course, they are a danger to themselves as well as to others.

I wonder what the early death-rate is amongst FAS kids, from car accidents, suicide, beaten to death, drowning, etc., and the damage bill from their actions and their harm to others.

But surely attention should be focussed - as well - on prevention ? Why are many kids born with FAS ? Because their mothers are boozing while pregnant. That seems to be the major cause of FAS. So how to stop/encourage Indigenous women from drinking while pregnant ? Threats to their benefits ? Alternatively, special non-financial benefits, help with rent and more active pre-natal clinics and more (paid) pre-natal courses ? Free baby food. Trips to Bali for Best Mother of the Year. Whatever works, of course.

Certainly, bonds and bail don't seem to work: if some dumb kid gets off the first time, what are the chances that he will offend again, believing (probably quite rightly) that he can escape punishment yet again ? Does being let off the first time chasten a kid, or does it embolden him/her to commit more, perhaps more serious, offences ? Well, duh.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 7 December 2018 8:41:24 AM
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