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SMH this morning a group within Tony Abbott,s seat has been formed to get him out of parliament.
Not a giant group so far maybe 300 to 500 but Turnbull, his wife and son have liked the page
Given Abbotts form post him being removed is this ok?
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 5:04:34 AM
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A deal for a knighthood and he falls on his sword might work.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 7:44:59 AM
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The stand-for-nothing-except-Malcolm show continues, even through the creep said that he was finished with politics.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 7:54:11 AM
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Pardon me for changing the subject, Belly; but there has been some good news - Morrison says he WILL NOT be signing the UN deal on immigration. Yippee!
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 8:09:47 AM
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Turnbull's now free do do as he wishes but I would like to see Abbott stay around for a while yet.

That poisonous half-witted throwback with nothing to offer has a little bit more to do before he utterly destroys what's left of his party.
Hopefully he will drag a few other wreckers down with him when he eventually goes.
Posted by rache, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 8:56:07 AM
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now that Morrison has decided to give the UN migration con the two fingers I suspect the bitter Turnbull will work against him also. Like all socialist if he can't be king he will try and destroy others. Congratualtions PM Morrsion now get rid of the Paris con and move the Embassy to Jerusalem,
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 10:09:11 AM
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Just as said by another I want Abbott to stay around
For the same reasons
Those who supported Abbott in his destabilisation, surely must know Turnbull has the right to be just as damaging
It highlights a truth, increasing war with the factions in this government have lost sight of what voters want
Before this story, about the time Abbotts pre selection saw so many Liberals reject him as candidate, my view he may not win his seat, came about
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 10:53:38 AM
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The facts behind the usual race-baiting migration spin -

So Australia will "refuse to sign" a UN migration compact it helped draft, on principles on safe, orderly and regular migration?

First of all there is no "proper" process for claiming asylum.

Second, it isn't really a Treaty and doesn't require a signature from any country - just an agreement in principle.

Finally it will still be likely adopted at a meeting in Marrakesh which Australia probably won't attend anyway.

It's just another dog-whistle attempt at maintaining racial tension, particularly in time for the Victorian State Election.
Posted by rache, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 11:21:25 AM
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Dear Belly,

This is not a good move on behalf of the former PM.
He's left parliament and he should stay out of
meddling in politics. He's criticised others for
interfering - he should set an example and allow
Mr Abbott's electorate to decide the man's political
future. This all smacks a bit like "payback" and makes
Mr Turnbull no better than his arch enemy.

Very disappointing to read this action from a man who had
my sympathy and who I thought was above this kind of
behaviour.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 12:34:58 PM
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The Liberal Party has another internal row over its leadership after members of the Roseville Branch voted to expel Malcolm Turnbull from their party. Warringah branch nearly expelled Tony Abbott but reversed and Roseville may expel Warringah . Dutton is expected to back Abbott and stab Warringah , undercut Hanson and repel the UN migrants while backing the Melbourne shopping-trolley man against Shorten.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 12:48:03 PM
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Hi Belly,

300 to 500 is a significant number of party members, even in a blue ribbon seat like Warringah. Normally there are about 20 per branch hard core who take an active interest with things, attend meetings etc. In Wentworth with a lot of interest I think about 1500 Liberal Party members took part in the preselection. How Money Bags bags got in on the act in Warringah is strange.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 1:30:36 PM
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They both need to be off the radar asap !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 1:38:31 PM
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We should Foxy, take in to account the years of betrayal of Tony Abbott
He can hardly complain about this
Yes that branch voted to expel Turnbull
Why did no branch do that to Abbott
Under the whole issue is the struggle taking place within the Liberal party
Right v left do not forget however Turnbull still has both the support and sympathy of some in his party
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 3:56:33 PM
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The Jewish electorate abandoned Scomo son of John of the tribe of Morrison , from the wilderness by Sharma. In his fiftieth year the word of Benjamin was heard and he stood for east Jerusalem in the House of Embassy , fleeing curses and backlashes from Mal and Ton.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 4:07:50 PM
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Dear Belly,

The Liberal Party got rid of Tony Abbott after
around 2 years in the job, before he'd served his
full term. Malcolm Turnbull got elected as leader on
a majority vote of 54 to Mr Abbott's 44 by his
Liberal colleagues. Mr Abbott was dumped as PM less
than six hours after Malcolm Turnbull challenged
for the leadership. This was the second move
against Mr Abbott - since February of that year,
when he won a party room ballot to avert a vote on
the Liberal leadership.

What has happened to Mr Turnbull was a case of history
repeating. He swore that he would not stay in politics.
But it appears that he can't help himself.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 4:21:50 PM
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//He's left parliament and he should stay out of
meddling in politics//

One way of looking at, Foxy. And not an unreasonable position.

But I hold the position that since he has left the parliament, he is now just another member of the voting public - albeit one with a higher public profile than most of the great unwashed.

And as a member of the voting public, he should have as much right as you, me or ttbn to express his opinions on our elected representatives.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 5:53:43 PM
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yep he has a right for the public to see what a self serving Individual he has always been. Good thing they got rid of him. Just taking a few people a little longer to see the obvious.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 6:02:27 PM
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Sorry Foxy but I can not agree
if we think what happened to Turnbull was wrong.
he surely has the right to do just what Abbott did, so far, believe me, he has not got near the Abbott undermining
well worth the truth, this government is at war, with it self
SMH reports NSW Liberals are rushing to put out the fires this attempt to take Turnbulls membership away is doing
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 6:04:14 PM
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He's gone but his parliament backers are not, his policies live on.
Just as Abbott's Budget lived on in his agenda. Fraser and Howard still got some traction in TV sound-bites.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 6:04:24 PM
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Dear Toni,

He's not just an ordinary member of the public.
He's a former leader of our nation and his
remarks would carry more weight.

Dear Belly,

If he behaves in the same way as Mr Abbott did,
then he has no right to criticise Mr Abbott's
behaviour. Quid pro quo. And I thought he was better
than that. That he had more class. Besides if you
were a member of a certain political party for so
many years - why would you contribute now to causing
more problems for it? It's Latham like behaviour isn't
it? Distinctly uncool.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 6:39:10 PM
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Foxy Foxy, Turnbull designed the track you believe Abbott followed, but no matter, Abbott has never been capable of the sort of bastardy that is Turnbulls only way.

In perfect timing it was announced today, we have launched our first commercial space rocket. So we now have the perfect answer for the most disgusting bit of garbage ever to sit in an Australian parliament.

As he so much likes grandiose gestures, let's sit him on one of these rockets, & shoot him off to be our ambassador to the man in the moon, it should almost satisfy his ego.

Of course he will have to accept, what his wasting so much of our money on the NBN, useless Subs, half a billion on coral research by his mates, & billions on his pet global warming stupidity, we will not be able to afford an embassy, & he'll have to make his own arrangements about life support. Of course, with his proven ability to look after himself first at all times, this should not be a problem for him.

What a wonderful picture the news clip of him disappearing into space would be.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 7:22:56 PM
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Hasbeen,

We don't have to send anyone anywhere because
at the rate they're going right now - there's no
need to send anyone into outer space - they'll
be out in the wilderness very shortly due to their
persistent mistakes. Think of the savings - we won't
have to build a rocket.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 10:05:33 PM
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Ah yes Foxy, the thought of Turnbull trying to survive from his own efforts in the wilderness does have much appeal I admit.

However nothing like the appeal of him disappearing off the planet with a sharp rocket up his you know what.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 11:30:11 PM
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There were already moves underway to remove preselection from Abbott from other Liberals long before this current campaign.

For those with short memories there were even 28 votes for "an empty chair" and two absentions when a preselection vote for his seat was taken back in September so it's ridiculous to pin this all on Turnbull alone.

Turnbull probably doesn't care about his membership - why should he under the circumstances?

Of more interest is when the Party will repay the $million plus loan he made to them before the last Federal Election?
Posted by rache, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 11:56:12 PM
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Oh, c'mon you lot, Turnbull's just being a typical okker, one who can dish out but can't take it back.
Better start installments now to get a really big rocket for all the likes of Turnbull to fit in.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 22 November 2018 4:42:04 AM
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Never the less Hasbeen and Foxy Turnbull V Abbott is a symptom of true trouble within this government
Both could never quite bring both sides of the party with them
Turnbull fell, in no short part, because he wanted action on climate change, and the Abbott faction did not
Labor has adopted the very plan that bought Turnbull down
Last night, on the home of extreme conservatism Sky News, from one hundred non committed voters 49 said after a debate they are more likely to vote Labor in this weekends Victorian election
33 said Liberal, in my view further proof the right in that party are way out in front of the voters, selling fridges to Eskimos
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 22 November 2018 4:47:56 AM
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//He's not just an ordinary member of the public.
He's a former leader of our nation and his
remarks would carry more weight.//

Well sure, but the remarks of other minor celebrities also carry more weight than those made by plebs like us. Should they also zip it? That doesn't seem very fair.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 22 November 2018 5:10:49 AM
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Belly, is the false thread title deliberate?
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 22 November 2018 10:21:26 AM
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Aiden nothing false about the title, as time passes and we find out more it remains what was known at that time.
Turnbull today, has said following someone, being interested in what that person says is not supporting them.
The reactions, of some in his party, still speak loudly of a divided camp
And too the rage shown against him, should also have been shown against Abbott long ago
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 22 November 2018 11:26:32 AM
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Belly,
>Aiden nothing false about the title,

Liking a group on Facebook does not amount to joining it.
Do you have any evidence that Turnbull has JOINED a dump Abbott group?
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 22 November 2018 2:21:04 PM
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Aiden on the day this thread started the SMH was quoted.
Do you not think this storey has grown every day
After my first post I updated just as further news was released
If you do not understand that you have my sympathy.
Yes it was just a like on facebook
Have you ever liked something you do not agree with
Was, if my reaction was in your view a false one what do you make of the LIBERAL PARTY BRANCH CALLING FOR turnbull t be removed from the party
Hindsight is no judge of intent days before the whole story emerged day one saw far different things said even in the media
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 22 November 2018 4:15:43 PM
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Aiden I would like an answer before the thread dies
Read post one, it was as I said,
You have inferred dishonesty from me, read that post, then tell me what I was deceptive about
please
Posted by Belly, Friday, 23 November 2018 4:04:41 AM
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Belly I did not accuse you of dishonesty or deception.
I said the title was false, and it was. It described something that didn't happen.
If it was an SMH headline, you didn't make that clear.
But even if it was, it's still erroneous.
I don't doubt Turnbull agreed with the group's views.
But "Turnbull likes a dump Abbott group" is hardly newsworthy.

As for the LIBERAL PARTY BRANCH CALLING FOR turnbull t be removed from the party:
I can't say I'm at all surprised, as many on this site are calling likewise, and the Federal Liberals seem to be quite short of common sense at the moment.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 23 November 2018 8:09:20 AM
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Aiden while I find you a sound contributor not prone to anger please read the first post.
It as you know was mine, I concede the title was not the full storey, it however included my source, the SMH
Subsequent events, like that Liberal party branches actions, seem to highlight others saw it as I did
The Turnbull dumping was dramatic, it lingers still,, and harms the party
Tomorrow, a thumping loss,to the Victorian Liberals will under line that damage
But too, underline the once strongest Conservative tool, fear and loathing, is now very blunt and no longer better than good policies
Posted by Belly, Friday, 23 November 2018 10:51:29 AM
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