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The Greens call on Coalition and Labor to back bill to abolish religious schools firing gay students

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Scott Morrison wants to change the law to ban
religious schools expelling gay students.

Labor supports this decision and the Greens want
this ban to also include the firing of gay teachers.

What do posters of the forum think of this?
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 14 October 2018 9:35:44 AM
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Dear Foxy,

I was flummoxed to learn that gay students could be expel for coming out in the first place. It seems this was down to the Labour party when they were in power. Glad to see Morrison is now committing to fix it after trying to buck pass it initially.

This is pretty simple, if a religious school or hospital or charity group is using government funds to operate then they must not have the power to sack or refuse to employ because of gender or sexuality.

I believe this is the case in the UK and it should be the case here full stop.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 14 October 2018 11:57:52 AM
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If a person does not subscribe to the beliefs of an institution the institution should be able to expel them.

Would the RSPCA be wrong in sacking an employee who engaged in the practice of dog fighting?
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 14 October 2018 1:20:27 PM
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Dear Steele,

Thank You for your thoughts on this issue.

To me, it's somewhat unclear as to what the government
intends to do.

Mr Morrison has insisted that the Coalition's aim is to
improve the federal laws introduced by Labor, not to
extend them. Mr Morrison stated that:

"We're going to protect religious freedom and we're not
going to allow discrimination against children..."

However it appears that a religious review led by former
Liberal MP Philip Ruddock was completed five months ago
but the government has refused to release it publicly
until it's been considered by Cabinet.

The Review was commissioned by former PM Malcolm Turnbull
in the wake of the same-sex-marriage debate amid concerns
about the conservative wing of the party about the
ramifications of changing the Marriage Act.

Mr Morrison also added that "The Ruddock Review found no
evidence of religious schools banning or expelling
students because of sexuality."

Therefore having read all this - it is unclear what the
government intends to do with the recommendations from
the Ruddock Review. Apparently very few MPs have read the
review. And what happens next - I guess we'll have to wait
and see.

Perhaps all this is just a political ploy, or
another storm in a teacup?

Do religious schools really discriminate?
I'm not sure.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 14 October 2018 1:26:34 PM
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Is Mise,

When religious schools take public money to run
schools in the UK they have to play by secular rules.
The choice is outright: faith or funds.

The same should apply here in this country.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 14 October 2018 1:28:49 PM
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So what happens if a gay person applies for a job at one of these religious schools and is denied a job for any reason?

Let's say that person was a terrible teacher and the job is given to a second applicant.
Is the first applicant then in a position to sue that religious school for denying them a job on the basis of their sexuality?
- Until gay people are employed at all religious schools?

So my question to you idiots is how do Islamic schools treat gay students and gay people that apply for employment in their businesses?
Because if you can't force them to show tolerance, educate gay students without discrimination and employ gays you're not going to be able to peddle this fastasyland across the board.

Now I have to stand back and look at the bigger picure.
You people should know I always look at the pro's and con's and then the bigger picture.

Why the hell would gay teachers want to be employed at a religious school?
- To deliberately rock the applecart?
- Like poofters and Christian bakeries, that kind of thing?
Why would a gay students even want to go to a religious school if they weren't being forced to do so by their own stuck-up parents?
Isn't that in itself some kind of discrimination against the kid?

And why is a so-called Christian backing this measure?
Politicians are politicians first (liars) and religious second.
Scott Morrison's religion is the UN and the Sustainable Development Goals.

When I see Islam employ gay people for their mosques and schools then and only then will I entertain this discriminitory bs, because until then, this measure introduced unfairly is discrimination and victimisation of everyone else.

- Not that I'm even interested in forcing religious institutions to do so.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 14 October 2018 1:57:13 PM
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