CM from within a trade union, one that saw two unions become one in the late eighties, let me again say communism is dead.
In fact a union, in far of Poland, named Solidarity helped kill it by removing the first brick.
I saw no hidden socialists in the committee of management meetings we had monthly.
Only those most dreadful people ALTRAV warns us about,Australian workers
Once in the heart of a steel city, saw 400 solid union members threaten to walk away, if the local head of unions again called them comrades.
ALTRAV tells us he thinks wages should never rise, that reverting to a wage set 30 years ago is ok, that bosses unions wear halo,s and workers?? room exists for some reality here.
LOOK to China, Russia and a badly led America if you want to protect us all, not phantom socialism

Belly, OK I will stand aside for a moment while you explain the virtues of constant and continual wage increases.
Have you not heard the saying, 'chasing your own tail'?
But I will abstain for the moment.
I am curious as to what your economic policy is that would justify on-going wage increases.
I've given my reasons, now please prove me wrong, I might just learn something.
'The floor is yours'.

Waste of time ALTRAV, EBA enterprise bargaining imported from Thatcher,s England works.
In good times the boss OFFERS wage rises in return for KPIs key performance indicators.
EG Less lost time injuries,less sick leave without a doctors note.flexibility around working hours, in bad times, see SA Steel mills and WOLLONGONG, pay cuts instead of job losses.

ALTRAV? back on thread SMH this day story about a cop, called our worst ever childmolester.
Thought Catholics had that in the bag
Offended in another state multiple times then did the same in yet another state.
HE WAS A SEVERVING COPPER
Took decade to? name him and our law is not broken?

Justice system took a huge downturn when parents stopped disciplining their children. It turned many teachers into child carers and multiplied violence many times over in the community.
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The Justice system took a downturn when people, parents, realized they will punished, lose their children if they resisted, without consideration of relevant facts.

The Justice system took a downturn when many realized government decisions often made to protect Minister's rather than to fix issues arising in legislation Ministers managed.

The Justice system takes a downturn, because when the Judicial system draws attention to inconvenient facts, governments and Ministers have more money to employ lawyers to assist them to avoid dealing with the issues.

The Justice system takes a downturn for many realized governments make decisions to prevent judicial resolution of legal issues, even after issues acknowledged by Minister's and Courts as needing judicial resolution.

This is why many realize our Justice system is far more dependent on money than legal principles.

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Prisons constructed to detain people failing to behave within boundary limits of what is acceptable to society.

Most people appearing before the courts can learn these lessons without long term prison sentences.

Some mostly repeat-offenders need short term stay in prison with appropriate counseling to learn the lesson.

A smaller percentage need longer term in prison.

How long some persons need remain in prison to become compliant, for release on Parole licence is not a simple one time judgement to determine.

Politicians and governments fail community by confusing Justice with prisons.

Justice is part of a process to educate people, to correct incorrect behavior, not just stick them in a box.

Politicians and governments are just plain stupid to suggest placing more people in prison makes communities safe or reduces co$t of Justice.

Is much cheaper to modify behavior of most with suitable programs applied while people live in wider community.

Community accepts some do need longer incarceration to ensure they start the learning process.

Many things at low cost can be done to improve prison experience and promote the learning, to do these the idea of locking them in a box and forgetting them does not help.

We all need accept some just do not learn...

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