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Many humans attend a church, mosque, temple, hall or other type of place where they are involved with very visible and very active religious activity.

The reality is though, all humans are religious. Some simply haven't realised their religious connections, whilst others simply deny the issue, through a want to not accept any foundation of religion in any form.

For others through past experiences with specific faiths, in which a person has felt they have been hurt, these people will try to avoid their irremovable link to religion, which can consume a lot of time and energy, leaving these people unable to focus on life improvement.

Religion comes in all different formats, more than many seem to accept, connect with or understand, leading to a very confused society in which many are not feeling any validity in terms of their role in terms of life on Earth.

This is my position, but what do others think?
Posted by NathanJ, Monday, 8 October 2018 1:55:56 PM
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The Orthodox church was supposed to back Putin's imperial Russia which is his role in life . Ukraine and Constantinople are breaking away and he won't pray for them. Not happy.
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 8 October 2018 5:23:04 PM
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//The reality is though, all humans are religious.//

No.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 8 October 2018 5:23:36 PM
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I agree with Toni.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 October 2018 5:39:56 PM
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Clutching at straws bloke clearly not all are followers of any faith 30 percent said so in the last census
Posted by Belly, Monday, 8 October 2018 5:47:21 PM
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Just because you are a superstitious fool Nathan, is no reason to believe we all are. Some can happily survive with out the crutch of some religious tomfoolery.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 8 October 2018 6:22:53 PM
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Well, depends on the Religion.
99.9% of Australians are signed up in the religion of the Sacred Dollar.
Posted by individual, Monday, 8 October 2018 7:13:28 PM
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Dear Nathan,

Yes, your observation is correct.

But not only humans: everyone and everything is religious (though some more than others). Religion, the yearning to return to God, makes the world go round!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 8 October 2018 8:11:50 PM
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One definition of religion is that it is a way of life, this definition would see the OP as valid.

Socialism and Communism are religions by this definition.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 8 October 2018 8:17:24 PM
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To Nathan J

For the sake of clarity. Please go into more detail of what you mean by being religous. I take it you mean it in a different way then just whether a person ascribes to a certian religion. But is this a commentary to dovotion people have that is simular to religous devotions? Or is this a perspective that religion permeates throughout society, making everyone religous because of the influence of religion on a society? Or is it something else?

I don't mean to turn this into a defination debate (I've seen that go on too recently). Just that for the conversation to continue there needs to be a foundation of what you're trying to say. Thanks.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 1:58:37 AM
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If you exclude Atheism as a religion, the fastest growing "faiths" in Australia are Sikhism and Hinduism, the Islamic mob are running a poor third. As for Christianity, except for the American styled Evangelicals cash grabbers, the happy clappers are going backwards. The head of the Vatican mafia must be very concerned that the Aussie franchise is not meeting its growth and revenue targets for the fiscal year of our lord 2018/19! Archy Pell has more to explain that his dealings with children. As for the prods they are as dead as Henry VIII.

If you have a lazy Sunday between footy and cricket seasons can I suggest you give Buddhism a test run, saffron robes and sandals are optional these days, and the diet does wonders for your cholesterol.

You'll probably want to check this out;

http://www.sapphyr.net/buddhist/buddhist-core.htm

Just as a side, and nothing to do with this thread, I paid $7.50 for a schooner in an inner city pub, previously a working mans pub, on Saturday night. We just went there to listen to an 'Old School' reggae band, a bit of my religion, but $7.50, must be some kind of religious conspiracy!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 5:48:02 AM
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The thought that a very small area in the middle east gave us the three most seen Gods in the western world is fueled by people like Nathan.
No doubt a nice bloke, one who wants better for us all, but blind to reason facts and truth.
As humans came out of Africa we took our witch doctors in to the caves with us, we needed them we thought, and maybe for a time we did
It is time we emerged from those caves settled our fears and understood we have been our own support not having ever had a God to do that for us
Worth pointing out had Jesus lived he must have been a little brown man and a Jew, yet the more bigoted of us murder Jews because we blame them [not me] for killing the man who is said to have told us they are his chosen people.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 6:15:56 AM
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Hindus and Vedic horsemen were devoted to alcohol of mare's milk and Soma probably ephidrine. Indra liked his Soma.
"We have drunk soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the Gods discovered.
Now what may foeman's malice do to harm us? What, O Immortal, mortal man's deception?"
The 6 o'clock swill was a homage to the barley god in packed temples.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 6:23:45 AM
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All humans are religious

Definitely not ! But, most people have an in-built sense of a presence of something they respect but can't tell what it is.
Even the most so-called primitive tribes have an awe/superstition/faith.
Religion is what destroys a soul.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 6:33:22 AM
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But NNN, was Indra coughing up $7.50 like me, for a schooner of soma? Just to listen to his favourite Vedas band, doing a traditional Indian version of Rubbish Binnie! I reckon NOT!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 6:38:13 AM
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Certainly everyone serves and worships either the Creator or something created. I am not convinced that makes them religous
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 7:25:32 AM
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Tirta Empul in Bali marks an epic battle between a powerful and magical king named Mayadenawa and the God Indra . Mayadenawa snuck into Indra’s camp and created a poisonous pond that the army would drink from upon their awakening. Indra awoke to find many of his men dead and scores more sick and dying. It was then, with mighty power that the God Indra, piercing the ground with his staff , created the sacred healing spring of holy water. Beer Prices in Bali. Beer in Bali is pretty cheap, unless you're after imported beer. The average price for local beer is anywhere from Rp15,000(AU$1.50) to Rp90,000 (AU$9). Indra's blessing costs anywhere between a half a coconut and a king's ransom .
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 7:48:35 AM
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Religion leads people astray.
They believe their own crap doesn't stink.
- But it still does.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 8:42:52 AM
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So then Abbott and Turnbull are gods.
OK
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 8:47:35 AM
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'They believe their own crap doesn't stink.'

actually Armchair from my experience its the god deniers with that badge.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 11:03:30 AM
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A defined culture or passion lived by is the persons faith and practise. A religion!
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 11:26:03 AM
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Desperately trying to convince most of us there is a God often hurts the authors case.
I have however seen our first Australians Rainbow Serpent/God sticking its head in some gully after rain fall
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 12:14:28 PM
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We need to define what we mean by religion.

As I understand it - religion is a system of community
shared beliefs and rituals that are oriented toward some
sacred, supernatural realm. The phenomenon is of such
universal social importance that it has long been, and remains,
a major focus of sociological interest.

However not everyone believes that a supernatural power
exists.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 1:18:43 PM
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Religion was made into one of the most powerful tools ever by ridiculing faith.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 3:03:10 PM
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Hey Runner,
I've got quite a few Christians in my extended family, and I wouldn't say it if I didn't think it was true.
My reasoning is that as soon as someone picks up the bible, they start rambling all this irrational crazy talk; one might say they lose sense of themselves;
Now that's just one part of it;
- But it's their ignorance and hypocrisy that really gets under my skin.

They read a few bible stories, and somehow they come to a belief within themselves that they're morally superior to others.
- That they are already saved (home-free in their minds when Judgement Day and heaven hasn't come yet) and that they're an undisputed authority on what is right and good.

But you don't have to be a Christian to be a good person;
And not all people who claim to be such are good people;
- So being religious or not being religious does not necessarily determine any authority on what is right and good.

I prefer 'ethics' in a more purer form:
Lessons, principles, not stone-age cryptic stories.

Jesus taught 'ethics'; 'Do unto others', but most Christians seem to forget he was a teacher, they soon forget 'ethics' and think all you have to do is believe he 'existed' and they're going to the big happy clouds up in the sky.

I see flaws.

That if a person doesn't possess ethics to begin with as a moral compass, then they're emotionally weak and vulnerable and may be inclined to insert 'religion' into the void where a moral compass should be.
And so they never really have ethics and its like a self-serving vicious cycle where they all need god to make sense of things, because they never possessed 'ethics in their own right'.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:28:46 PM
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[Cont.]
Unconditional forgiveness would be like giving sin a free pass would it not?
If you turn the other cheek and forgive every mistake unconditionally, then there's no consequence of sin, or any reason for the sinner to learn the error of their ways by knowing what they did wrong in the first place and earning forgiveness.

Heaven and Hell;
If God exists, (I'm agnostic) then;
'Nothing is hidden that won't be revealed, and nothing is secret that won't be brought out into the open.'

- I don't necessarily think heaven is a gold palace.
What happens if you get the power of the 'all-knowing' after you're dead?
Everything you did on this earth; every decision, every action.
All recorded in an unhackable blockchain.
Did you have a 'positive ripple effect' and can you see your good spread out upon the world; not just the good you did for one person, but how that person went out and did good or bad themselves because of your interaction with them?
Or was it a negative ripple effect, and you see all the damage you've done.
Whichever way we may have to endure it for eternity.
Or we might not, and we might just be roadkill.
- What do I know..

Now, my criticisms aside, (I do think belief systems can be dangerous) I stand up for Christianity sometimes, when I do it's because I know that there's a core of good ethics and principles in the bible.
'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.'
- And you have to stand up for some kind of standards of decency.

But I refuse to read the bible, I don't want to be tainted by it;
- Or risk becoming the rambling irrational fool that takes leave of his own senses, like I've seen happen to others too many times.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:30:49 PM
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Hey Foxy,

"We need to define what we mean by religion."

A loose description might be 'belief system';
This may not necessarily be restricted to things of a spiritual nature.
Think of a banker for example, 'Money' might be their religion;
Or the climate scientist, 'Climate Change and Global Sustainability' might be their religion.

A more specific description would only include things of a spiritual nature;
Such as - 'My personal relationship with God'.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:42:26 PM
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Hi AC, I like what you have posted above, it makes a lot of sense. Its a pity religions see a need to "interpret" those often clear and unequivocal ethical instructions to a point where the original meaning is totally lost. Christianity has been great at reinventing what Christ is supposedly have said.

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him." John 2: 15-17.

How many modern day Christians can say they actually apply that principle.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 5:27:40 AM
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thanks for your explanation Armchair and I can't obviously comment on your family members. As you probably know at the heart of the gospel message is that all are corrupt and fall short. Takes humility to accept that. Speaking of what and who is a 'good' person is totally subjective as you know. Some have even declared Dr Ford with her life of immorality, drunkeness, activism and lying to destroy a man's character a good person.

Yeah the gospel is offensive because even the likes of these lying women can be saved through Christ's sacrifice. Believe it or not most people liked me more before I came to faith than after. I certainly don't consider myself any better or worse for that matter than anyone else. The simple fact as far as Scriptures say is that we all fall short of the glory of God. Jesus Christ was the only Man who was not corrupt in any way shape or form. That qualified Him to be our sacrifice. It is by this sacrifice alone that men will enter heaven and eternity. Offensive? Certainly to many especially to those who have done many good works and yet reject him
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 8:20:39 AM
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There appears to be a lack of understanding of the difference between 'spirituality' and religion.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 9:44:03 AM
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As we moved out of Africa, on to different continents, we spoke different languages and invented different Gods.
God is a useful tool, giving people reason to put their troubles in some one else's hands.
Think about this however, after a dragic death many send their prayers to those in loss, why would the God that let it happen answer such prayers?
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 10:47:53 AM
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Maybe I should explain, again, why I no longer believe.
Bought up in a God fearing house I was an enthusiastic Christian.
Like many adopted it even more mid 20,s by becoming a born again.
About that time a new, happy clappers, type Church was born in a small country town not far away.
It went on to be a very big one, even on TV, NO not around now.
In a tent full of people just like me, full of hope passion and belief, my brand new pastor marched his mum on stage.
On crutches
She danced off, never ever having needed the crutches,Gods miracle.
For a few days, forgive me it was a while back,, they kept a kid with a broken arm,, from health care
While they prayed for God to cure him.
naughty but true, those first analog mobile phones,you could listen to them,on radio, I did
Over heard my pastor,, talking about the financial benefits of? being a pastor.
done a lot of reading/research after that
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 3:21:44 PM
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Hey runner,

"humility"

Yep, that's a keyword that one.
Comes from reflecting on one's own words and actions.
A Christian might somehow turn that around and proclaim 'that God gave them a revelation'...

Here's some more flaws.
Lets compare loyal Christian women (as partners) as opposed to a regular woman.
If the Christian woman is to obey the paternal male partner,
(and they're could be some disagreement on this I don't really know; but I think it also says something about when a man and a woman are joined as one in the flesh or whatever they become one; so she is part of in and he a part of her her or something.... I'm not a bible scholar.)

- But say the Christian woman obeys the paternal male and is loyal and never criticises or leaves him;
If they turn the other cheek and give unconditional forgiveness;
Then all that woman does is cater to the husbands character flaws, and that the 'road to hell might be paved with good intentions', that she may be laying the pavers; as he never learns the errors of his ways, because she never left him and he never has any cause to 'reflect' on anything...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 11 October 2018 5:02:26 AM
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[Cont.]
Christians also always talk about 'When Jesus comes back', like it's a great thing.
Now forgive my ignorance, but doesn't 'Jesus coming back' also mean Armageddon?
Doesn't that mean that millions and millions of probably innocent people are going to have hell on this earth reined down upon them?
Now I can't ethically go along with that, that I'd willingly want millions of people to suffer so I could meet Jesus in my lifetime, (that is if he exists and I were a believer which I'm not - I'm agnostic - I'm just willing to admit I don't know)

I wish people in the world could just find a way to work things out and get along; and hopefully not have any WWIII in the first place.
What's worse is that I think that it's not so much bible prophecy; as it is self-fulfilling prophecy by bible-bashers.
You Christians are subconsciously going to make it happen because you want Jesus to come back.
That's why most of you all support Israel.

Even though Jesus himself said “I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan.”
And we know Ashkenazi Jews are not the descendants of Abraham.
So Christians are going to cause WWII themselves in blind support of Israeli Zionists?

Do you really think Israel cares about Christians?
All it cares about what it can get from their support in the West, and that's about it.
http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/kurdish-authorities-syria-close-schools-run-christians.html
http://www.newsdeeply.com/syria/articles/2015/09/08/syrias-assyrian-christians-victims-of-this-war

Anyway I think that covers most of my gripes on Christians, sorry if I offended in any way but it's what I think;
- But I'll also stick up for you lot as well if I think you're being treated unfairly.
I still support good ethics.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 11 October 2018 5:03:34 AM
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//So Christians are going to cause WWII themselves in blind support of Israeli Zionists?//

Are going to the cause WWII? I think you're using the wrong tense there, AC.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 11 October 2018 5:27:19 AM
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as unbelievable as it may be to the average person I have actually met Our Father, (GOD), & been taken to The Garden of Eden & shown The Tree of Eternal Life. God showed me the future & it all came true, & so I knew God was a fact & not some kind of hallucination. God showed me how the earth is ruled by Satan & that is why endless suffering occurs here. It is very much like The Book of Job in The Bible where it is explained that Satan's pastime is traversing every inch of the earth causing mayhem, while God watches to see how we will behave.

I went to every Christian website in the world & was banned instantly for saying I had met God face to face. Jesus says in The Bible that He & The Father will manifest to you, but Christians believe someone else in The Bible who says that no one can ever see God. Even though many people in The Bible clearly did see God in person.

Anyway what I have noticed constantly in the world is people giving each other the devil's hand sign. It is like the universal sign of humanity to show each other that they are aligned with Satan & are Hell bent of enjoying the flesh & denying God any place in their lives. So it's like most everyone is Satan Spawn, more or less. That is their religion. Satan worship or adoration.

And obviously religions are all different & never see eye to eye anyway. Christians don't even believe Jesus. He says He will manifest to people & Christians say that God can never manifest in person. So it's just absolute chaos in the religious scene & you can't blame people for turning away from religion.

Still they all are sticking to giving each other the Satan hand sign daily; & so obviously a subtle form of Satanism is some kind of Universal Religion that most of society is locked into till the end
Posted by SourceCode, Thursday, 11 October 2018 6:37:52 AM
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//Anyway what I have noticed constantly in the world is people giving each other the devil's hand sign.//

Really? I usually only see it at heavy metal concerts. May I ask where you live that has people routinely using horns as a greeting? Are you sure they're not all just massive Dio fans, rather than practising Satanists?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 11 October 2018 6:55:05 AM
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Many have been to the Garden and have seen the vision. Seeds have crossed over and produced , available at Bunnings Garden section when available.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 11 October 2018 7:42:17 AM
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Hi Toni, some do firmly believe in visions, real or imaginary, but real to them.
SC is totally new to the forum, that being his first post, amazing could be an old hand with a new nick. But welcome SoureCode whoever you are. Interesting
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 11 October 2018 8:16:49 AM
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Armchair

You are obviously a thinker (hence armchair critic). Many men hiding behind what they see as biblical authority have been complete pigs in the way they have treated their faithful wives. If they truly obeyed scripture and laid down their lives for their wives as is mandated by Scripture we would not be having this discussion. Many men want women to obey but don't want to obey God themselves in this regard.

Call me a bigot but I think most (not all) women desire a man to protect and lead them. Also I think most men (not emasculated) delight in leading and protecting their wives. I find men who encourage feminism/Marxism as quite weak pathetic specimens.

You raise a good point re Jesus return and destruction. I am one convinced that at some time He will return. Personally I suffer enough pain when a pet dies. Death stinks I and I have been surrounded enough by it to know. As you know death is unavoidable whether by cancer, car accident or Armageddon.

Your conclusion is that God is bad or even evil to cause or allow such a terrible ending. My conclusion is that my own corruption or sin or selfishness along with everyone else's disqualifies us from heaven, God's presence, love, peace etc. If God is who He says He is (love, peace, joy as well as holiness and righteousness) then to be absent from those things for eternity is hell. Physical death here is nothing compared to eternal separation form God. Obviously the good news for those who receive it is that Christ died a horrible death so we could be forgiven and receive eternal life. tbc
Posted by runner, Thursday, 11 October 2018 8:45:03 AM
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As most my family are not believers I take no delight in what is to come. I do realise however the often quoted and misrepresented Scripture by god deniers about 'hating' my family compared to Christ applies to me as much as anyone.

As for Israel. I have often found it strange that much of what people like you believe I am in agreement with. Maybe because unlike many socialist dunces you are not bound by a narrative. When it comes to Israel their seems to be a total irrationality on many sides.

For centuries the 'church' preached that Israel was now obsolete and now the church was the new Israel. Many of the liberal churches (u know the ones that push gay marriage etc) still believe this nonsense. Luther himself was a Jew hater. Why? Because in his opinion they were arrogant. Strangely enough the odd Jew I have met has come across a touch arrogant. tbc
Posted by runner, Thursday, 11 October 2018 8:54:31 AM
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The modern day Israel is a fulfilment of prophecy. I personally think that is a large part of the reason their is an irrational hatred of Israel. Strangely enough the majority of Israel today is secular with a very high homosexual population. We all know that Israel inhabited the land for thousands of years, we know Palestine is a made up state, we know they are made of many terrorist and much hatred and yet much of the godless world supports them. They treat women like pigs, teach their kids to hate and even use kids as human shields in schools and hospitals.

Ultimately the battle for Israel is a spiritual battle and obviously every bible believing Christian knows that the God of Israel will win. He has never left His throne even through the holocaust. When Christ returns the bible says that the hardened hearted Jews will believe.

The new testament says to Christians who had become arrogant and thought that they replaced Israel not to be arrogant. In actual fact the believers in Christ owe Israel a debt because it was through them that the Messiah came. The reality is that true Christianity came from Judaism. Without the Jews we would have no Messiah and no bible.

tbc I have to catch a plane
Posted by runner, Thursday, 11 October 2018 9:05:19 AM
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" been taken to The Garden of Eden & shown The Tree of Eternal Life."
However , in Gen 3:22 -24 to keep man away from the tree there was a turning blade to block entrance.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 11 October 2018 9:38:14 AM
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40 years ago I saw, truly a VW combi with ten feet tall wheels, damn thing almost ran my truck off the road,
I was at that time, forgive me, full of yippie beans to stay awake.
Call it ice I think now and gave that up way back then.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 11 October 2018 11:03:17 AM
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" been taken to The Garden of Eden & shown The Tree of Eternal Life."
However , in Gen 3:22 -24 to keep man away from the tree there was a turning blade to block entrance.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 11 October 2018 9:38:14 AM}}

The very first thing I remember God showing me & teaching me about was the pointed blade that protects The tree of Eternal Life. I was pierced by it numerous times later on & it did not really hurt at all. God has obviously protected me from its harm. I don't expect you or anyone to believe me however.
Posted by SourceCode, Thursday, 11 October 2018 6:55:50 PM
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Well it does say "man". Are you female?
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 11 October 2018 7:31:35 PM
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This is the same rubbish Jordan Peterson spouts about everyone being religious, which Matt Dillahunty utterly discredited during their live discussion:

http://youtu.be/FmH7JUeVQb8?t=4077

And is also thoroughly debunked at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhP59FnXgw
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 11 October 2018 9:02:52 PM
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That first link should actually be:

http://youtu.be/FmH7JUeVQb8?t=5551
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 11 October 2018 9:08:36 PM
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16 years old, this then raw country kid away from home to find work, hated that bus, every morning a bloke would jump on the stop after I got on,
stand at the front preaching at the top of his voice.
Poor silly beggar drove us mad,and no one knew quite what he was on about.
Is he here now?
Posted by Belly, Friday, 12 October 2018 6:08:52 AM
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Hey NathanJ and runner,
Thought you might find this interesting.
http://archive.almanar.com.lb/english/article.php?id=36396
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 12 October 2018 7:15:14 PM
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To Armchair critic.

The article says that there is a teaching, law, or a declaration from God forbidding Isreal to possess that land again. As far as I am aware, there is nothing like that in the Torah. I would like to know where this information came from that this man being interviewed teaches it.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 13 October 2018 2:59:00 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Oaths

It's because Solomon wrote about a girl who loved a shepherd. Israel is fake but wins in the end. Muhammad had a camel. Of camels he had al-Qaswaa’, and it was said that she was the camel on which he made his Hijrah; and al-‘Adbaa’ and al-Jad’aa’. Were al-‘Adbaa’ and al-Jad’aa’ one and the same, or two different camels? There is some difference of opinion concerning this.

Ukraine has 11300 priests , about a third of Putin's 35000 Russian priests, and have been privatised by Ukraine , extremist Jews and perfume bottlers.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 13 October 2018 10:10:15 AM
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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

I was about to recommend you this reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Oaths when I saw that Nick already did.

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Dear Runner,

I enjoyed your posts here. With much I agree, with some I differ, so several times I was almost tempted to comment, but then I remembered Psalms 1:1 and refrained. Hope you had a safe journey.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 13 October 2018 8:53:48 PM
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Hey Armchair

This Rabbi seems to have little clue about Judaism and no knowledge of Christ. Where did you drag him up from.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 13 October 2018 10:52:50 PM
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Intelligent beings identify a system of faith understanding the Universe, even if it is just the periodic table or superior monkeys. However I prefer to understand reality by an external intelligence when I witness the co-dependence, diversity and balance of all on Earth that supports life and intelligence. No other known body in the Universe comes near to our diversity in creative intelligent design.
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 14 October 2018 6:10:27 AM
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Josephus if your God exists, for every reason you gave in that post may I?
he/she needs some KPI,s key performance indicators
This world is in need of a care taker, humanity has proved we can not look after it or our selves
God if he/she existed would agree
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 14 October 2018 11:27:31 AM
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Hey Not_Now.Soon and runner,

In regards to the Rabbi article:
Firstly my intention in sharing this was not to impose my beliefs upon anyone else.
I simply wanted to demonstrate that there's always opposing views to things.
Pro's and Con's if you will.

This is where I found the Rabbi mentioned, in a YouTube video a day or so back.
http://youtu.be/VsqDIkb8AtM?t=354
(You may have to move to 5m54s - I added the starting time into the link, but it's not working properly for some reason)
- I know nothing more than what's stated, but I've heard and looked up previously that Orthodox Jews in Israel do protest and oppose Zionism.

Before you write him off, are you sure other Orthodox Jews don't also support his view?
- That's what I'd be checking into if I were you, before jumping to conclusions.

I won't impose my beliefs upon you; but there's always two sides to an argument and I'll throw the info out there for you, should you choose to want to look.

I watch a few different channels now and again where the hosts ARE Christians but DO NOT support Israel;
That should intrigue you enough to be curious and find out what they think for yourself.

The channels 'Blackstone Intelligence Network' and 'Indy Soul Prepper' (Texe Marrs) linked below would be examples.
http://www.youtube.com/user/prepare333/videos
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmvBclq4-I8s8DGDKXbhXgQ/videos

Try these for a sample:
TEXE MARRS - The Kabbalah—Foundation for Satanism, Theosophy, Freemasonry, Mormonism, Judaism
http://youtu.be/Zr_gZoCgI5U
TEXE MARRS - Holy Serpent of the Jews
http://youtu.be/o6Thzu5qPKk

BLACKSTONE - How the Jewish Rothschild Zionists Created Modern Israel
http://youtu.be/2qlGVkHaeFc
BLACKSTONE - The Anti-Christ and the Third Temple
http://youtu.be/mI3Qddu8LII
BLACKSTONE - Nat Rothschild and George Soros and the Montenegro Connection
http://youtu.be/A3kDcgU5Dl0

Even this guy, Steven Ben-Nun from Israeli News Live channel seems to be becoming a little more critical of Israel;
http://youtu.be/U-77-ue9u9Y

Where did things turn bad?
I'm not exactly sure.
In ancient times maybe Babylon and the mystery religions; In modern times, maybe here:
The Unholy Trinity of Frank, Weishaupt, and Rothschild
http://youtu.be/K0tBGK7UKL4
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 14 October 2018 3:19:42 PM
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SourceCode'

"I went to every Christian website in the world & was banned instantly for saying I had met God face to face"

Did you now?

I Googled Christian websites for youth and got
"About 49,800,000 results (0.50 seconds)"

Now that's only the ones for a specific category of Christians; Gees, you must have been busy!!
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 14 October 2018 3:53:08 PM
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Ise Mise did you study that posters words?
And if so then expected something he/she said would make sense?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 14 October 2018 4:59:08 PM
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TruNews is also a Christian channel that opposes Israel and Zionism.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TRUNEWSofficial

Don't you want to know why?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 3:38:44 AM
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