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Senate Confirms Kavanaugh to Supreme Court, Ending a Clash With Lasting Fallout

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A great victory against the enemy of equality and women's rights. Hopefully the next battle will take on freelance homosexuality.
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 7 October 2018 8:30:48 AM
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Who would of thought that such a flawed President could do so much good for the USA. He has now dumped Paris, got unemployment (especially among blacks) to a record low, appointed a good man on Supreme Court, moved Israel's embassy to Jerusalem and exposed the putried press and Hilary supporters for what they are and started draining the swamp. Maybe their is hope for Australia. Could Boris do the same for Britain or are they to far gone?
Posted by runner, Sunday, 7 October 2018 4:02:54 PM
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Publisher, Conrad Black describes the “OBushinton” era, 1989 to 2017, as a time of sleaze, incompetence and stagnation. Now, in the Trump era, there is a practically a full-employment economy, and wages for the least well-paid are rising. It is the first time that low paid people have had real increases of purchasing power and the lack of fear of joblessness in more than 20 years.

“Trump isn’t an aberrant interlude; he is a sea change. He has a mandate to clean up Washington and he plans to fulfill it”.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 5:00:49 PM
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No one can say with any certainty what happened between
17-year-old Brett Kavanaugh and 15-year-old Christine
Blasey Ford during the summer of 1982.

But what we do
know with certainty is - Ford's actions have been broadly
consistent with witness statements. During her testimony
Ford attempted to answer every question, while Kavanaugh
prevaricated. Ford asked for an FBI investigation while
Kavanaugh demurred. Ford submitted to a lie detector
test, while Kavanaugh lied or stretched the truth about
easily confirmed facts like whether he was of drinking age
in 1982, whether he worked for Safeway, or whether he was
a legacy admit at Yale.

For all these reasons, Kavanaugh is, at best, a bad witness,
at worst, he is an attempted rapist. And at
minimum, he should have been disqualified from being the
nation's highest jurist.

However Kavanaugh was President Trump's choice and there's no
surprises as to why.

Kavanaugh has certain beliefs that
appeal to President Trump - particularly his belief that
Congress should consider a law exempting a President while
in office from any criminal prosecution and investigation.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 7 October 2018 5:06:48 PM
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Foxy
Ex-boyfriend of Christine Ford claims she helped friend prepare for polygraph test

A MAN who says he dated Christine Blasey Ford in the 1990s has suggested she lied to the Senate during her hearing.

In a sworn written statement, the man claimed to have directly witnessed Ford helping her “long-time best friend” Monica McLean prepare for a polygraph exam.

“Dr Ford explained in detail what to expect, how polygraphs worked and helped McLean become familiar and less nervous about the exam. Dr Ford was able to help because of her background in psychology,” he said in the statement.

During the hearing, Dr Ford said she had never had discussions with anyone, besides her lawyers, on how to take a polygraph, nor had she offered tips to anyone on doing so.

They can be beaten, if you have been trained how to do it.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 7 October 2018 5:30:20 PM
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I dare say if Dr Ford was a male she would be dismissed from her job. How about the girl who accused Bill Shorten Foxy?
Posted by runner, Sunday, 7 October 2018 5:50:09 PM
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I have a niece who is a compulsive liar. She constantly lied to schools, parents, police and everyone else who tried to help her. I suspect Foxy and the sisterhood would see her as an angel. I mean she is so 'nice' to those who she can use. And of course a woman wouldn't lie would they Foxy although you show you are very willing to support them despite the facts.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 7 October 2018 5:55:12 PM
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There must be a law that would see Ford brought to justice for lying. Not only did she lie, she works for a company's that manufacturers or is developing an abortion pill; and she has published at least ten articles in support of abortion.Judge Kavanaugh will introduce an anti-abortion stance to the court. He now has the job for life; another win for Donald Trump that will have influence long after Trump himself has gone. Things are looking much better for a second term for Trump. The Democrat Storm Troopers are copping the fruits of their ridiculous labours. They will continue mistaking black for white, but they have been as effective as blowfies banging against a window wanting to get in. As they are everywhere else, they are a minority, noticed only because a bigoted media keeps banging on about fhem. It's people who go about their business quietly - voters - who call the shots.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 6:31:38 PM
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Foxy,

Once again you have clearly been reading somewhat dubious sources.

The problem with Ford's testimony is not only that the "incident" was 36 years ago, but Ford could not remember the date, the time, the place or the names of any other people that could be witnesses such as anyone else in the house, which at best makes her testimony frivolous and at worst perjury.

As for Kavanaugh's testimony, in the absence of any real details what questions could he answer. With respect to the accusations that he "lied" I would guess that that will go the same place as Ford's testimony, nowhere.

While I am no fan of Trump or Kavanaugh it does not take a genius to realise that the sudden appearance of Ford and others after decades with the flimsiest of stories is no coincidence.

Also the expectation by the left whingers that a man's reputation and career should be ruined because of frivolous charges is both disturbing and dangerous and more reminiscent of nazi/communist denunciation based trials than any due process.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 7 October 2018 7:11:29 PM
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Peter Smith, writing in Quadrant Online warns after the Kavanaugh atrocity: “Let his ordeal be a lesson to all who hope for even a mere modicum of decency from the modern Left: they don't have a shred of it”. There are no depths to which the Left will not sink.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 8:18:34 PM
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ttbn,

We need the left, how otherwise are we to cut the nails on our right hands?

(Sorry, just couldn't help myself!!).
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 7 October 2018 10:41:38 PM
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fear, that is the overwhelming thought this brings to me.
Fear that in America and the world anything not Trump like is branded left.
Fear America in its attitude to women is becoming no better than any middle eastern country.
I can not bring myself to think women got together to lie about this man.
It hurts to know even more women have complained about Trump.
Bill Cosby is in prison, but he is black, Trump is in the White house.
As a progressive, true Liberal, I can not understand why folk like me are branded evil left
Posted by Belly, Monday, 8 October 2018 5:19:31 AM
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Anything 'not Trump’ IS Left.
In America and the West in general, women are denigrating themselves. They don't need help from men.
Cosby is in jail because he is a convicted SEXUAL PREDATOR and PERVERT. Trump is in the Whitehouse because he was elected to be there.
You are not Liberal, you are liberal. You are not clever enough to be evil; you are just a Labor stooge.

SOCIALISM is basically envy converted to economics. And because envy is such a corrosive, malignant force, those economics tend to be more than slightly inaccurate.

Socialism’s jealous core is also why it, and leftist movements in general, tend to attract bitter, envious people.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 October 2018 8:50:58 AM
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"I can not bring myself to think women got together to lie about this man"

Then you are really out of touch with the world.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 8 October 2018 8:57:15 AM
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Is Mise,

When I refer to the Left, I'm not meaning Hawke/Keating type legitimate Labor. They are well gone. What we have now is the nihilist, Marxist, Green extreme left that has infiltrated everything - even what used to be our 'conservative' party. The globalists, the one-government, rule by un-elected UN types. There is nothing humerous about them.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 October 2018 9:00:28 AM
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I see a hatred of women here in these pages, maybe it is a fear
But show me how whatever it is, is not every bit as disrespectful as some Muslims treat women.
the need ttbn has to insult others could well be an early sign of dementia.
Uncontrolled anger, pointless abuse, has often signaled mental decline.
It some cases it states early, say at birth
Posted by Belly, Monday, 8 October 2018 10:43:34 AM
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Belly

I normally (on this site), try not to react to the stupid, but you have turned into a special case.
I can't believe there is somebody out there in the big world as dumb as you make yourself look.
Cheers.
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 8 October 2018 11:13:48 AM
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Belly,

“Seeing” hatred of women on “these pages”is probably the result of your inability to read properly. You tend to see things that are not there. You imagine, or have a wild guess, at what you think is in front of you. It's probably too late now for remedial teaching, so you will continue blundering on in your own little world.

Because you are the way you are, you think that everyone is “insulting” you simply because they disagree with you. Your insistence that I suffer from dementia, just because I question your waffle, clearly shows that you have no arguments and must use abuse. It also suggests that you are a person of very poor character. Casting aspersions against another person's mental health puts you well down there with the worst types of people; particularly as your obvious lack of education clearly indicates that you are not qualified to make the judgements you do.

What a stunted, miserable life you must lead. You are a prime example of the bitter, unpleasant people of the ultra-Left that I have described elsewhere. I have never felt superior to anyone before, but you are now the exception. You are not worth the effort.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 October 2018 11:20:57 AM
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'I see a hatred of women here in these pages, maybe it is a fear'

Oh Belly and you did not see the hatred of men by the Hilary supporting lesbians and feminist who lied, misrepresented and tried to destroy the lives of good men. You are totally brainwashed Belly or simply to pigheaded to accept facts. Strangely it was all the devious progressives Hollywood deviants that the meetoo 'movement' uncovered. I think it is you that has a problem with decent women.
Posted by runner, Monday, 8 October 2018 11:46:43 AM
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Belly quote "I can not bring myself to think women got together to lie about this man."

NOTICE she says "we ruined" plural had to get together to do it.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/stephen-colbert-late-show-writer-im-just-glad-we-ruined-brett-kavanaughs-life/news-story/b86ebf42fae74c5339cbfa9858dea89f

Stephen Colbert ‘Late Show’ writer: ‘I’m just glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh’s life’

A WRITER for Stephen Colbert says she is “just glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh’s life” after the judge was bombarded with sexual assault allegations.

IN A social media post on Saturday, a writer for CBS’s The Late Show With Stephen Colbert seemingly celebrated the damage done to Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s reputation during his bruising and bitterly partisan confirmation battle.

“Whatever happens, I’m just glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh’s life,” the writer, Ariel Dumas, posted on Twitter. Dumas later briefly made her account private, preventing others from viewing her posts without her approval.

Her tweet came as the Senate confirmed Mr Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court by a 50-48 vote, with Republicans saying that the several allegations of decades-old sexual misconduct brought against him simply lacked sufficient corroboration and credibility.

Dumas apologised on Sunday, claiming she was being “sarcastic” because Mr Kavanaugh’s elevation to the Supreme Court demonstrated that his life had not, in fact, been entirely derailed by the accusations as some Republicans had claimed.

“The last couple of weeks have been hard for the country and for me personally,” Dumas wrote. “The complexity of frustration, anger and sadness can’t be accurately conveyed on Twitter, and I regret my tone-deaf attempt at sarcasm in the wake of it.”
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 8 October 2018 12:07:41 PM
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Con't
Notice she even tried to wiggle out of it.

Dumas later briefly made her account private, preventing others from viewing her posts without her approval.

Dumas apologised on Sunday, claiming she was being “sarcastic
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 8 October 2018 12:12:10 PM
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Belly

Your cleverer than that lot, and your dead aren't you Belly!
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 8 October 2018 12:29:22 PM
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Dear runner,

This is where you and I differ. My definition of a good man isn't one who is a demonstrable liar but rather one who is capable of owning up to past indiscretions and acknowledging the distress they may have caused.

I don't think a person's actions as a teenager should have disqualified them from sitting on the court but their actions during their preconfirmation hearings most certainly should. Kavanaugh's lies required his disqualification. The fact that it didn't happen was because of ideological grounds rather than any sense of wanting to preserve the reputation and dignity of the court.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 8 October 2018 12:48:58 PM
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/05/brett-kavanaugh-lies-supreme-court-disqualify-any-office

And -

http://www.thenation.com/article/brett-kavanaugh-has-lied-his-way-onto-the-supreme-court/
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 8 October 2018 1:48:48 PM
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I can't stand Trump, I think he is a vile bully, a liar, a philanderer, racist, and all the rest. But I also can't stand Hillary, just in case someone wants to bring that either-or, black-white, 0-1 sort of argument up. I also can't stand Kavanaugh either, I'm sure he will try to overturn Roe v. Wade.

But the way that the feminists handled this was appalling: a sort of game of bluff - believe us because we've got such passion and are so virtuous, don't worry about evidence. Innocent until proven guilty ? Nah - just feel the passion.

No, sisters, evidence counts, no matter who the bastard might be. You can't run a dishonest campaign, or an incredibly klutzy campaign, as this one was. You need passion AND evidence. AND a bit of competence. Otherwise people like me will sit on the sidelines UNTIL you've got some evidence. I WANT Kavanaugh to be as guilty as buggery, if possible guilty OF buggery. But do it honestly and competently, with conclusive evidence. Not like a bunch of six-year-olds.

And please don't use the excuse that evidence would be awfully hard to get in a case like this. Yes. Indeed. In which case, you've got no case.

Play it smarter next time.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 8 October 2018 2:13:51 PM
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Never the less Loudmouth, and I share your view on Trump, and the me too movement may have gone too far.
Women in America may well think the Republicans think they are second class.
If they do, and if they vote based on that, the midterms will be of interest
Posted by Belly, Monday, 8 October 2018 3:41:33 PM
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Joe,

There was no evidence that Kavanaugh was guilty of anything, and he is now a Supreme Court judge, which is another victory for Donald Trump, bless him :). So, why do you say that you want Kavanaugh to be guilty? He isn't and that's it. I don't understand your 'want'.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 October 2018 4:08:56 PM
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Donations to the GOP have skyrocketed since the shonky accusations against Kavanaugh fizzled out and he was installed in the Supreme Court. All because Trump stood his ground, even giving the lunatic, man-hating women, a week extra to hang themselves. If only our own dopey politicians would learn something from the man.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 October 2018 5:37:15 PM
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Dear Loudmouth,

I agree that the evidence wasn't sufficient to sustain a guilty verdict on the sexual assault accusations but it was certainly sufficient on the charge of repeatedly lying to the senate committee.

A lay person in front of such a committee might have been excused for not being consistent in their testimony but not a judge with his level of experience.

The guy is a lying piece of you know what which is why he is such a darling of the right. They know his ilk because they voted one of them to be their president.

They really don't care who they put into positions of power as long as they get to pop the middle finger at the 'left'.

I suppose it is part of the deep desire for authoritarianism that the right is seemingly so desperately seeking. One of the measures of how well and authority figure fills his role is when he can tell bald faced lies and have people defend his version of the truth even when it is so evidently wrong.

They just love it.

I am really finding all this stuff deeply fascinating. There are roads this show is travelling that kind of horrify and delight at the same time. It gives us and extraordinary insight into what would have happened with previous incarnations of authoritarianism.

Thank goodness it is at arms length, at least for the moment.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 8 October 2018 5:38:04 PM
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Hi Steele,

Yes indeed, but my point is that the women's movement didn't seem to even try to prove their case, they resorted to 'belief' and passion and their obvious (at least to themselves) virtue and innate goodness, rather than evidence, which is what counts: even a person like Kavanaugh (and although I hate to say it, Trump too) has to be attacked and condemned on the basis of evidence.

In that sense, the women's movement flirted very dangerously with authoritarianism themselves: that passion and even some threat of (necessary and unavoidable) violence were all that were needed - and if you didn't 'believe', then you were an enemy. Well, I don't just 'believe', I'm too old to be suckered into that. I certainly suspect that Kavanaugh will try to overturn Roe v. Wade, and support all manner of extreme conservative positions.

But the case against him in these instances was so weak and the tactics used against him were so infantile and cavalier that I despair that we may be moving toward a futile contest between two different forms of authoritarianism, that the women's movement has surrendered any ground for free, honest, open and democratic forms of discussion and dispute - and that 'the other side' has spuriously moved in to claim them for its own.

I guess I'm still haunted by that photograph of that left-fascist with a megaphone blaring into the face of somebody (Bettina Arndt ?) trying to speak. Yes, left-fascism. That's how low I think the level of discussion has become. Sorry. Of course, after all, Mussolini was once a Socialist, so it's not all that hard to degenerate from one to the other.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 8 October 2018 7:34:27 PM
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Dear Loudmouth,

The Women's movement?

Hardly old chap. The majority of white women voted for Trump as well as Roy Moore despite their predilections and crass and demeaning behaviour toward women.

This was always likely to go along party lines as the issue of abortion will too.

It was more a battle around decency and truthfulness and railing against the treatment of the less powerful.

The suffragette movement started out very much like the metoo movement with many of the same attacks directed at it. Now it would be unthinkable, except for the odd misanthrope, to want to deny female participation in our democracy. Did the suffragettes over reach on occasion? Of course, but that never served to deligitimise the movement. But it was the anti-slavery party of the GOP who most supported the suffragettes. This too was split to a large degree along party lines.

The metoo cause is right and just and unstoppable, and it will change behaviour for the better.

Dr Christine Blasey Ford's testimony is another pivotal step along this path. There will be young men who will now have second thoughts about their behaviour. There will be young women who will be prepared to speak out when they are transgressed upon.

Dr Ford seems to think that the death threats and the inability for her to return home are a price she was prepared to pay. The cost of exposing sexual violence and abuse is never insignificant but her actions will give other strength even if the immediate result is dismissal.

The days were the behaviour of a young Brett Kavanaugh was normative are now thankfully being challenged and rightfully so. It hopefully gives greater comfort to those raising daughter of their own.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 8 October 2018 8:50:53 PM
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Dr Fords own year books reveal drunkednes immorality racism and now caught out lying. A fine candidate for the left
Posted by runner, Monday, 8 October 2018 9:39:07 PM
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Here is some of her testimony, simple question why did she not go to the police just for this bit alone quote "I thought that Brett was accidentally going to kill me.". I would have been of to see the police straight away.

her words
“He began running his hands over my body and grinding his hips into me. I yelled, hoping someone downstairs might hear me, and tried to get away from him, but his weight was heavy,” she told the Senate in a dramatic public hearing.

“Brett groped me and tried to take off my clothes. He had a hard time because he was so drunk, and because I was wearing a one-piece bathing costume under my clothes. I believed he was going to rape me.

“I tried to yell for help. When I did, Brett put his hand over my mouth to stop me from screaming. This was what terrified me the most, and has had the most lasting impact on my life. It was hard for me to breathe, and I thought that Brett was accidentally going to kill me.”
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 8 October 2018 11:57:36 PM
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Thanks to Donald Trump alone, the U.S. is enjoying the lowest unemployment since 1969; black and Hispanic employment is at all time highs; the dollar is high, and the stock market is booming. Trade is going America's way.

No wonder the unsuccessful Left hates Trump.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 9:18:34 AM
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Steele,

And the evidence?
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:02:32 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

The evidence of what?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:26:19 AM
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so out the multiple partners all these women had sex with it was only Brett that raped them. How much more deceitful can the swamp be. It is very obvious why Dr Ford would not let her yearbooks be looked at.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:46:24 AM
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Dear runner,

What is it with this constant and unrelenting unhealthy obsession with how many times a woman has sex and who with that you have?

There was another comment of yours that really struck me as odd the other day. It was about female ABC presenters who you labelled as mostly lesbians. I have no idea how many are in same sex relationships because it doesn't interest me in the slightest. Why does it trigger you so much. I know you lot have sexual repression issues, some of them quite deep, buy you really are well beyond what is normal mate.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 11:03:07 AM
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'I know you lot have sexual repression issues, some of them quite deep, buy you really are well beyond what is normal mate.'

if you are what you consider 'normal' Steelie I am very pleased I am not.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 11:14:28 AM
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Is Mise,

Look it up. Or can you find only weird stuff about animals? You don't want to believe the truth about Trump, which is fine by me and, I'm sure, the Americans who are benefiting from Trump's policies.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 11:29:50 AM
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Sex well some here may not have known much of it, a seeming hatred of women glows like a bush fire in the pages.
Too sure and certan belief Trump is not a deveate not a mauler but near a God.
Fortunatly in my view not all the world agrees
And fortunatly7 too as many voters if not more are women.
Trump needs them.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 12:09:49 PM
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I've stayed out of the Kavanaugh discussion.
I haven't sifted through all the facts on this that would allow me to give an informed opinion.

- But from what I understand all the accusers are actually the conspirators; if that makes any sense.
http://youtu.be/v7o0SA8LgkQ

They were all CIA kids, from elite schools and the sex parties were compromise operations.
There were more damaging claims made by Julie Swetnik, another conspiritor.
http://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/us/politics/julie-swetnick-avenatti-kavenaugh.html
Notice all these people use the same lawyers?
Some have said all this could be a Trump trap.

It's hard to trust any of it if Lindsay Graham is supporting it.
- But the Russian collusion wasn't actually Russian collusion.
Israel's the party most involved in illegal collusion with Trump officials, including George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates.

http://youtu.be/46qD4UmlNns
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 11:33:41 PM
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Lasting fall out, it become clearer every day there is and will be lasting fall out.
Republicans are again united.
Any chance, and it was only a slim one, Democrats could win the senate is gone.
They still have a chance in the congress
worth watching in this last four weeks before the vote
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 10:51:16 AM
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I'm puzzled about Kavanaugh: in my limited experience, a bloke who regularly hits the grog and gropes women can usually be expected to be doing that for much of his life: he won't stop at eighteen. So where are the witnesses to Kavanaugh's behaviour on this purported occasion, and on other - countless - occasions 'afterwards' ?

As well, the women's movement did itself no favours by pushing forward one of the women who had previously, on five or six occasions, taken blokes to court, and lost. That sounds like vexatious litigation. Perhaps not a credible witness, unless you simply say, "I believe. Don't worry about evidence, just feel the passion."

Know your enemy, but know your 'friends' better. I wish the women's movement well, but only if it adheres to principle, and abandons a (usually right-wing) notion of 'whatever it takes'. A lie, or misrepresentation of the truth, or mistruth, can destroy or at least corrupt an otherwise genuinely progressive movement.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 10:59:12 AM
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I find that the left whingers on this site have now conceded that there is not a scrap of solid evidence that Kavanaugh has committed anything wrong. Desperately trying not to look like complete idiots, they have now come back with another baseless accusation that Kavanaugh has lied to the senate which if proved would disqualify him.
Firstly, BK as a senior judge is unlikely to be that stupid, and secondly a review of the "lies" by Ben Shapiro (a conservative Harvard trained lawyer) has point by point showed them to be simple ignorance on the side of the accusers.

The proof of the pudding is whether the idiots put their money where their mouth is and try to charge Kavanaugh.

The following commentary shows the hypocrisy of those that claimed that Thompson should be considered innocent in spite of tons of evidence:

"At turns out that progressives are doing far more to trash democratic principles than Trump. In the end, the failed attempt to keep Kavanaugh off the US Supreme Court bench was a sensational trial, not about allegations of sexual abuse or judicial character but of the Left’s commitment to democratic principles.
Progressives have been found guilty on all counts: trashing the presumption of innocence, disregarding the rule of law and turning their backs on due process.

Claims against the conservative judge never saw the inside of a courtroom for a reason. His accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, could not recall important details of that night when, she claimed, the judge attempted to undress her as a teenager. But progressives tried and convicted him on the basis of one vague testimony, minus a single corroborating witnesses. Democrats cast aside the presumption of innocence as a disposable nuisance.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 11:11:17 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Wait a second. This from a bloke who has repeatedly raise the issue of Bill Shorten being accused of rape. You refuse to drop it even when two separate police investigations found there was no case to answer.

Does that mean you will now undertake to never raise the matter again or does the hypocrisy of the right know no bounds as always?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 11:49:09 AM
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Foxy here at least some will always find it easy to blame the woman, some comments are foul.
In the end it comes down to numbers, women if they vote, out number men, by just a bit.
It will be interesting if they do, vote that is, to see how Trump/Tramp supporters get them back on side
Or if they ever can.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 2:54:16 PM
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'It will be interesting if they do, vote that is, to see how Trump/Tramp supporters get them back on side
Or if they ever can.'

how can he lose Belly, I mean with Russia on his side. Still no evidence? The democrats are atrocious.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 4:45:02 PM
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runner 20 years ago having Russia on his side would be enough to have most frothing at the mouth
For me it remains one of his biggest faults
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 5:40:54 PM
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SR,

The more interesting question is why being such a self professed supporter of the MeToo movement can you defend a weasel such as Shorten? Especially since the evidence against Shorten, whilst still not sufficient for a conviction is far more solid than against Kavanaugh in that the accuser was a Labor supporter and not a political opportunist, and was able to give verifiable details of the incident.

I can assume that your attempt at a red herring is an admission as to the complete absence of any case against BK either wrt the assault charges or those of lying.

My use of the accusations against Shorten is precisely because of the hypocrisy of the left which only seems to get outraged when the perpetrator is conservative, and is oblivious when the perpetrator is left whinge such as Bill Clinton, Shorten, Burke etc.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 6:20:31 PM
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I keep telling you Belly,
The whole Russian thing is bs.
Firstly the DNC was NOT hacked.
This is a PROVEN FACT, because the transfer rate of data was too fast to be internet, it was a usb, and we've known this for nearly two years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFEht9lb8Wc

Secondly the people charged in relation to so-called Russian collusion were not charged for anything to do with Trumps campaign, it was for things they did beforehand.

All those people were lobbying for Israel and in the interests of Jewish-Russian oligarchs; people like Oleg Deripaska.
http://www.haaretz.com/1.4763945
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/24/manaforts-russia-connection-what-you-need-to-know-about-oleg-deripaska/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.86d253112fdc
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/manafort-s-mysterious-israeli-connection-everything-we-know-so-far-1.6489514
http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/george-papadopoulos-has-surprising-ties-to-israeli-settlers-1.5461531

If you want to link it all together:
Nathaniel Rothschild and George Soros are working together for the New World Order and I told you all this a long time ago.
They wreck countries to make money on resource plays and further One World Government.
http://youtu.be/A3kDcgU5Dl0
- as well as Oleg Deripaska and John McCain.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/5/11/513922/-

Here's why they hate Trump.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-09-30/committee-save-world-order

You've really got to start sharpening up on your facts mate, for no other sake than the truth...
I'm not sure I have the patience to keep correcting people forever.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 8:56:08 PM
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Interesting...
Deep State was using North Korean missile tests as a cover to launch satellites to spy on the US, apparently.

http://youtu.be/yimkAXG5g5E
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 12 October 2018 8:09:01 AM
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The above link was incorrect, it was Day 55.2 that I'd heard the NK missiles mentioned.
NK Missile mentioned at 8:00 and at 30:00
http://youtu.be/jdaAqo1TgdI
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/08/photos-of-north-koreas-newest-rocket/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 3:59:29 AM
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I know there is no proof and Kavanah must be given the Benefit of being presumed innocent
and I wouldn't put anything past the democrats trying to win the midterm,
but my gut feeling privately is that Mrs Ford told the truth.

I just read her face when she was interviewed by the media,
she looked totally horrified, like the last thing she wanted was for the media to have gotten hold of the story.
I believe someone from the Democrats knew of the accusation and released the story to the media

How many parties did we all go to as teenagers, because a friend of a friend knew where there was a party?
How many would remember where those houses were or which friend of a friend, was holding the party.
I think there’s probably not enough evidence to support a prosecution after all these years.
And I don't think Mrs Ford is keen to have sordid details dragged through the media for months.

When the story first broke in the media, I read her face,as truthful, very shocked! traumatised and humiliated,
by the media gaining knowledge of it and I read shock and fear on his face and a complete lack of initial outrage,
just a frozen trapped silence. Cant be sure of course, but I have a personal, private, gut feeling, about it.

However, I am glad we have more right wing judges on the American Supreme Court.
The judiciary is a powerful arm of government and has the power to counteract important government decisions.
Illegal immigrants are using our law courts against our governments.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 11:31:49 PM
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