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At last, a truly moderate Muslim leader.

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Sheik Taj El-Din Hilaly is again Australia's Grand Mufti and it is gratifying that such a moderate should once again be in a position of influence.
We may look forward to more of his progressive thought on World events and on Australian society.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 5 October 2018 1:14:03 PM
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Is Mise,

The controversial former Imam of the Lakemba Mosque
in Sydney has not been appointed as the Grand Mufti
of Australia. At least not by people who count and are
in a position to make it official - The Australian
National Imams Council.

Just to let you know -

The official body that elects the Grand
Mufti of Australia is The Australian National Imams
Council.
They consider the election of Hilaly in the Queensland
Logan Mosque in Brisbane as "void and unjustified."
Besides there's already an acting Grand Mufti.

This is just an attempt - to sell newspapers
by the Daily Telegraph.
(No surprises there).

Next The Daily Telegraph will be telling us
that the Liberals have replaced
Scott Morrison with a new leader for the next election
'cause they don't believe that he can lead the party to victory.
He's had a drop in the polls.

Anything for a headline - that sells.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 October 2018 4:41:28 PM
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Foxy,

"This is just an attempt - to sell newspapers
by the Daily Telegraph.
(No surprises there)."

Do you mean that this is fake news, invented by the Daily Telegraph; that Muslims at the Logan Mosque didn't elect him and that the election was not endorsed by the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils?
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 5 October 2018 5:13:01 PM
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the good Sheik and the women who accused Kavanaugh have a lot in common. Truth and facts are meaningless. I wonder which one has more support as they are as dangerous as each other.
Posted by runner, Friday, 5 October 2018 5:31:38 PM
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Foxy has it right we all of us, need to know just how a poster here can say the woman who gave evidence against the would be judge is the dirt bag he infers, on what evidence?
Posted by Belly, Friday, 5 October 2018 5:35:39 PM
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A progressive Mufti ? Sounds ominous to me. I'd rather see a sensible one.
Posted by individual, Friday, 5 October 2018 5:47:40 PM
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Belly.

"Foxy has it right we all of us, need to know just how a poster here can say the woman who gave evidence against the would be judge is the dirt bag he infers, on what evidence?"

Probably on the complete lack of evidence for what she asserted.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 5 October 2018 6:35:13 PM
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Is Mise,

The following link may clarify things for you regarding
The Daily Telegraph article on Hilaly.

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/arabic/en/article/2018/09/29/australias-grand-mufti-confirms-he-only-legitimate-mufti
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 October 2018 7:00:55 PM
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Foxy,

So the Daily Telegraph did not invent the whole thing just to sell newspapers, there is some truth in it after all.
Thanks for the link.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 5 October 2018 7:10:29 PM
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Is Mise,

If a few disheartened Catholics would have got together and
declared a new church leader instead of
Cardinal Pell a few years ago - would that have worked
do you think - without proper procedure being followed
Even though they were strongly opposed to Pell - and wanted him
replaced?

Would that have had some legitimacy?

Hardly.

There are people around who are scared to sit-down because
they're convinced they've got glass bums and if they sit on
them- they'll break them.

You're welcome.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 October 2018 7:33:03 PM
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//Sheik Taj El-Din Hilaly is again Australia's Grand Mufti and it is gratifying that such a moderate should once again be in a position of influence.//

I really want to believe this, but it sounds to good to be true. I remember the last time this fella was given access to a public platform and the ensuing hilarity. I cannot recall who it was that gave him the moniker of 'the Thick Sheikh', but I've never been able to think of him as anything but that ever since.

OMG, do you remember the cats and uncovered meat? XD

Actual tears of laughter... thanks for the memories, Is Mise.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 5 October 2018 7:54:16 PM
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Is this not the same Muslim who said that rape victims were 'meat'?
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 October 2018 8:45:30 PM
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Toni,
I think you will find the originator of the term 'Thick Sheiks' was one of our posters by the name of Irfan Yusuf. I think he referred to all imams as Thick Sheiks.

He was a lawyer and muslim and we had plenty of informative and interesting debates
Posted by Banjo, Friday, 5 October 2018 8:52:41 PM
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Is Qld now the Islamic state?
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 5 October 2018 8:57:51 PM
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Foxy,

Did the DT lie then?

You seemed to think that the story was an invention to sell newspapers.

Seems that the not so grand Mufti has some followers still, people who, it seems, believe in him and his ideas.

Are you defending a man who thought that the Twin Rowers destruction was the will of Allah?

Had some Catholics elected someone in place of Cardinal Pell they would not have believed in the divine authority of the Koran, therein lies the difference between reality and your scenario.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 5 October 2018 10:06:44 PM
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Every single time a Muslim is mentioned here, or his her faith, Islam.
We see the quite idiotic view every Muslim is a danger to us put.
Yes look and you will find, evidence of a hatred of us, from some, truly evil Islamist.
See today's Sydney Morning Herald, Bonny and Clyde of terrorism storey.
Proof filth exists in that community.
BALANCE, look at the American Christian right, hate, every bit as bad, lives in that group too.
To think every Muslim/Christian is bad is insane.
But if we have the courage to look at the three faiths that seem to rule our world, the fact they all came from a small area in the middle east
And question why God, any of them, made the other two we may see we fight and hate over a myth
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 October 2018 6:48:56 AM
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Is Mise shoots and votes. But it's disturbing that he has such views that Koran beats the legitimate governing body . He lives near Qld border with military training.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 6 October 2018 7:27:46 AM
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//the Twin Rowers//

The Twin Rowers, eh? Coxed pair, uncoxed pair or double scull?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 6 October 2018 7:37:53 AM
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Look no further than Wikipedia to see what a creep this scumbags is. How Is Mise can say he is moderate is beyond logic. But, hold on. Is Mise thinks that animals are a 'race', so he will say anything.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 October 2018 8:52:23 AM
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Qld is the Sunni state of the faithful Joh Bjelke Petersen , (peace be upon him), the righteous believer of profit and all of that , the merciful.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 6 October 2018 9:28:16 AM
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ttbn,

Ever heard of SARCASM?

Toni,

Mea culpa!
Comes from 'T' being next to 'R' on the 'Qwerty' keyboard, I used to use the more logical Dvorak board but gave it up because others using the same computer kept getting confused.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 6 October 2018 9:30:46 AM
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Is that what it was, sarcasm? You don't do it very well. Did anyone else think you were being sarcastic?
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 October 2018 9:49:00 AM
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ttbn,

Given my record of posting on Muslims, how could you not think that it was sarcastic?

On race; have a look at this link and improve your outlook,
http://www.britannica.com/topic/race-human
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 6 October 2018 9:55:46 AM
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Joh Bjelke Petersen
Nicknamenick,
I met the little fella several times & I never had the feeling of him being anything other than being all for QLD & yes, that includes profits which are needed to provide, Anna Palacechook could do with a dose of Jo's ability & create some of those profits.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 6 October 2018 10:13:11 AM
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nicjnamenick underneath that wish to have fun a bright brain lives!
Without a doubt you do have an understanding some here never will
On the other side of the world, in that fantasy land known as America the Christian right have ordered that information about rape not truly be investigated.
After all it seems the victims are only women
We shall see the results as half that country,s population see,s and understands it is being marginalized again
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 October 2018 11:43:43 AM
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Belly,

"On the other side of the world, in that fantasy land known as America the Christian right have ordered that information about rape not truly be investigated"

Reference??
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 6 October 2018 12:25:13 PM
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Belly, do try to reach out & grab a bit of reality old mate.

Your irrational hate of Trump is pushing you so far from reality you will soon not be able to grab a bit to pull yourself back.

On a happier note, have your day lilies come back yet? Now the frosts are finished, it's warmed up a bit & we.ve had some decent rain with follow up, mine have roared back into life.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 6 October 2018 12:49:07 PM
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Is Mise,

There's plenty of references of all kinds on the web
dealing with women , rape, and the Christian Right.
Here's just one:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/christian-right-leaders-dismiss-kavanaugh-assault-charges.html

You do know how to Google?
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 October 2018 1:00:29 PM
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BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Australia cleric in convicts jibe
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6255287.stm
Jan 12, 2007 - Sheikh Hilali with flowers outside his mosque in Sydney
These don't look like lilies but he was awarded a prize anyway. Asked if he grew Australian natives he said everyone is welcome to bow down except convicts in front of a judge.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 6 October 2018 1:11:34 PM
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Foxy,

Where is the evidence?
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 6 October 2018 3:20:02 PM
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Is Mise

I'm not wading through that crap. Just give me the bit where someone who is barking mad says that animals are a race.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 October 2018 3:35:24 PM
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there is now a ton of evidence of lying feminist willing to act as complete low lives in destroying good men's reputation just because what they perceive their right to murder the unborn and sell the body parts at risk. Yep the old imans comments are quite tame compared with these disgusting human beings.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 6 October 2018 3:45:23 PM
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Hasbeen no, not yet but it was a harsh winter and until this weekend dry got my needed 44mm rain and expect a great spring, by the way, life is as it is, your view of me is my view of you in matters Trump.
Ismise, doubt it is worth answering,and even stronger doubt you will understand,
but give it a try.
every woman who has come forward with complaints against Trump, other republicans, and this soon to be judge has been called a lie teller, try to keep up.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 October 2018 4:55:22 PM
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Belly little vague with your above request of runner, this might help.
I would say the lies help make the case for the title dirtbag.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/exboyfriend-of-christine-ford-claims-she-helped-friend-prepare-for-polygraph-test/news-story/cb6d4e96ad3497875defbdb5c507cfc9

Ex-boyfriend of Christine Ford claims she helped friend prepare for polygraph test

AN EX-BOYFRIEND of Christine Blasey Ford has issued an explosive statement suggesting she lied to the Senate in her testimony.

A MAN who says he dated Christine Blasey Ford in the 1990s has suggested she lied to the Senate during her hearing.

In a sworn written statement, the man claimed to have directly witnessed Ford helping her “long-time best friend” Monica McLean prepare for a polygraph exam.

“Dr Ford explained in detail what to expect, how polygraphs worked and helped McLean become familiar and less nervous about the exam. Dr Ford was able to help because of her background in psychology,” he said in the statement.

During the hearing, Dr Ford said she had never had discussions with anyone, besides her lawyers, on how to take a polygraph, nor had she offered tips to anyone on doing so.

The ex-boyfriend also disputed Dr Ford’s lawyers’ claims that she has a fear of flying.

“While visiting Ford in Hawaii, we travelled around the Hawaiian Islands including one time on a propeller plane. Dr Ford never indicated a fear of flying.”

He said she never expressed a fear of close quarters, tight spaces or places with only one exit, adding that she lived in a small, 46sq m Hawaii apartment.

This was in relation to Ford’s testimony about suffering from claustrophobia. The alleged assault was revealed to her therapist and husband in 2012 after she insisted on having a second exit to her home, which her husband couldn’t understand before she opened up about the alleged attack.

Prosecutor Rachel Mitchell noted Ford flies “fairly frequently for hobbies and … work”.

She said: “She flies to the mid-Atlantic at least once a year to visit her family. She has also flown to Hawaii, French Polynesia and Costa Rica. She also flew to Washington DC for the hearing.”
Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 6 October 2018 5:25:32 PM
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ttbn, horses are a race, they race around Randwick.

I have it on good authority, me mate Norm down at the pub, that the Issy party, formally the Shooters, Hooters, Fishers, Farmers, Morris Dancers and Bullwinkle The Moose Party, have expanded their political base to include all Muslims.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 6 October 2018 6:14:00 PM
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The Islamic factions are pushing for a 2 horse leadership spill in the Shooter Hooter . Odds-on Sheik Taj El-Din Hilaly is firming against Dr. Ibrahim Abu .
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 6 October 2018 6:50:18 PM
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ttbn,

If the Britannica is not good enough for you then here's another book.

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-History-Canine-Race-000-Year/dp/0836205480
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 6 October 2018 7:22:40 PM
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NSW Racing Minister Paul Toole today announced a $500,000 cash injection for the code, which will be used to fund the richest dog race in the world in Sydney later this year.

The "Million Dollar Chase", set to be staged at Wentworth Park in October will be the the jewel in greyhound racing's crown and feature the best dogs in NSW. Diamond and platinum collars are now run-of-the-mill with many hounds and bitches gathering at the Stock Exchange after a big race.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 6 October 2018 7:29:03 PM
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Yep. Barking mad, and you produce the dogs to prove it.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 October 2018 10:45:08 PM
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nicknamenick Quote
"NSW Racing Minister Paul Toole today announced a $500,000 cash injection for the code, which will be used to fund the richest dog race in the world in Sydney later this year.

The "Million Dollar Chase", set to be staged at Wentworth Park in October will be the the jewel in greyhound racing's crown and feature the best dogs in NSW. Diamond and platinum collars are now run-of-the-mill with many hounds and bitches gathering at the Stock Exchange after a big race."

What has that got to do with "At last, a truly moderate Muslim leader."
Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 6 October 2018 11:51:58 PM
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We do wobble in threads but this time we are lost totally
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 7 October 2018 5:58:05 AM
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I thought Dogs are considered dirty by Muslims ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 7 October 2018 6:59:35 AM
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Sarcasm is permitted for all believers. The jokes should only be truthful.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Woe to the one who tells lies to make people laugh, woe to him.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, warning against this kind of behaviour which some jokers are accustomed to: “A man may say something to make his companions laugh, and he will fall into Hell as far as the Pleiades because of it.” (Narrated by Ahmad).

3 – Not scaring people:

Especially those who are very energetic or strong, or who are holding a weapon or a piece of iron, or who take advantage of the darkness and people’s weakness to use that as a means of scaring and alarming them. It was narrated that Abu Layla said: “The companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said that they were travelling with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and a man among them fell asleep. Some of them got a rope and tied him up, and he got scared. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ‘It is not permissible for a Muslim to frighten another Muslim.’”
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 7 October 2018 7:06:00 AM
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Irrespective of the subject, you do all realise that most of the twaddle that goes on in social media is NOT representative of the general public, don't you? Studies in America show that keyboard warriors are a very small proportion of the population, even on rubbish like Twitter. We are a minority of people with an overgrown interest in politics not shared by everyone else. So, for those of you determinedly pontificating as though you are Moses just down from the Mount with your tablets of wisdom, hardly anyone is interested in what you have to say, and they don't care about you or your opinions. It's just a bit of fun that will never do a bit of good - or bad.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 9:04:52 AM
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To change the subject again, it looks as though Brett Kavanaugh will be voted in as a judge of the Supreme Court because even the shonky FBI could not find a scrap of evidence against him: the only thing his accuser could remember about the 'incident' was that she's had one beer; so-called witnesses remembered nothing of the affair, her friends reckon she lies - nothing. I have read articles by rape and indecent assault victims, and they FORGET NOTHING.

Still, this man's life and those of his family have been ruined by an evil witch and hordes of lunatic, Left women. What a wonderful place is America when the Democrats and whining women don't get their way.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 9:15:51 AM
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Just in. Kavanaugh sworn in 50-48 along party lines. So, it still comes down to politics even when some insignificant bitch and crazy women ruin a man's life!
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 9:23:20 AM
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someone who is barking mad says that animals are a race.
bitches.
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 7 October 2018 9:25:57 AM
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EVIL BITCH! on what evidence?
Can America forever brand females this way.
Are we all aware they are half the voters?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 7 October 2018 11:24:09 AM
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Belly,

Didn't see anything from you about Ford's 'evidence'. She had NONE. Or, have you decided in your blind bigotry that the FBI was wrong in not finding ANY EVIDENCE. Ford has been shown up as a lying, evil bitch. Totally obviously to anyone but an ignorant bigot like you.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 11:40:44 AM
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"obviously" should have been 'obvious'. That's what happens when someone rubs up against you! And, if you were quoting me, I didn't call the bitch 'evil' in the first instance.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 11:44:09 AM
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Cats have lost their plates of meat thanks to the bitch Hilaly and dogs who voted for him . His evil sarcasm and lies are sickening to punters.
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 7 October 2018 11:51:48 AM
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ttbn *blind bigotry* Sir, it is my honestly held opinion you get your information for this and most subjected out of a dark place in your head
I saw no evidence of her lying,you my friend must think before posting ANYTHING
Witnessed you insulting many here most ignore you.
I should, it is clear you have issues with understanding and in talking to those who do not share your opinions.
ttbn know you need help.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 7 October 2018 2:39:02 PM
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the women who lied and fabricated against Kavanaugh have done massive harm to women who have truly been assaulted. How could they be so low?
Posted by runner, Sunday, 7 October 2018 4:16:06 PM
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For heaven's sake, Belly, you are dumb. You should stick to grunting in the pub with other morons.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 7 October 2018 4:56:28 PM
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Belly quote "I saw no evidence of her lying"

Dr Ford’s lawyers’ claims that she has a fear of flying.

Ex boyfriend says "While visiting Ford in Hawaii, we travelled around the Hawaiian Islands including one time on a propeller plane. Dr Ford never indicated a fear of flying."

Prosecutor Rachel Mitchell noted Ford flies “fairly frequently for hobbies and … work”.

She said: “She flies to the mid-Atlantic at least once a year to visit her family. She has also flown to Hawaii, French Polynesia and Costa Rica. She also flew to Washington DC for the hearing.”

SO ABOVE WE HAVE HER LYING.

Another one.
He said she never expressed a fear of close quarters, tight spaces or places with only one exit, adding that she lived in a small, 46sq m Hawaii apartment.

This was in relation to Ford’s testimony about suffering from claustrophobia. The alleged assault was revealed to her therapist and husband in 2012 after she insisted on having a second exit to her home, which her husband couldn’t understand before she opened up about the alleged attack.

So now she has proven to be a liar, can you provide something to say Kavanaugh has lied?
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 7 October 2018 5:22:26 PM
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The whole idea of being left is to avoid reality i.e. truth by bleating truth at every turn. It's so hypocritical to those who actually do think & care.
Posted by individual, Monday, 8 October 2018 9:20:48 AM
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Belly quote "I saw no evidence of her flying"

Dr Ford’s lawyers’ claims that she has a fear of lying.
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 8 October 2018 9:48:16 AM
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I only got this today, sorry I'm late to the Party.

Is Mise: We may look forward to more of his progressive thought on World events and on Australian society.

One will look forward to throwing you on a Barbie, for being, "Rotten Meat" 'an all.
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 8 October 2018 11:58:27 AM
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