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What if everything were free?

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What if everything were free? Think about it for a minute. Food, education, housing, transport, all free.

Author Colin Turner has come up with an idea called The Free World Charter. He was heavily influenced by Jacque Fresco of the Venus Project who was likely influenced by many others. The idea is not new but it has never been tried before in any developed country in the last 5,000 years of recorded history.

If you would like to live in such a world please say so here. If you can not see it happening for whatever reason, please read this page of FAQs before posting here. And if you have a question or argument not on that page, try to come up with possible solutions.

We have lived in a world with great restriction for a long time. If you do not have the money to do something you can not do it. Making everything free would greatly increase our freedom.

The more advanced technology gets the more this is possible. Robots and automation will keep on increasing unemployment. Rather than have UBI (basic income) why not have UBS (basic services) where basic services are free. Eventually we could have everything free with intelligent management of resources and automation and things such as elimination of finance and surplus admin jobs.

* Before posting please watch the 6 minute video below and read the link here *

FAQs and common criticism http://freeworldcharter.org/en/faqs

An Introduction to The Free World Charter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDKTRgoSS8
Posted by Get Rid of Money, Friday, 17 August 2018 10:57:59 AM
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Sorry, that's just stupid!

Even if the essentials are all free, there are always going to be desirable things in short supply. For example there isn't enough harbourside land to enable everyone who wants a free harbourside mansion to get one! Some sort of monetary system is the best way to allocate nonesential scarce resources.

Rather than trying to make everything free, a far better aim would be to ensure a good standard of living would not depend on money.
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 18 August 2018 9:51:03 PM
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I don't really have the patience to pick this thing to bits.
There are just so many flaws in the assumptions that it could fix societies problems; but I can see how it would appeal to some 'useful idiots'.

Some of the issues society faces that was put forward in the selling of this plan are worthy of further discussion and of finding solutions, but this plan does not stipulate the solutions, it just seeks to plant a seed that there is a need to tear down the established order.

One noticeable irony is that the author purports to sell you this idea of a 'free world' but the first thing he does is stipulate rules for which people should conduct themselves in responding to this thread topic.

Talk about a bloody Nazi, he's not selling a free world at all.
I bet there's going to be more rules coming.

There are a couple of parts mentioned on the site which caught my eye and for which I'm going to have to string him up for.

Under the heading 'OK, but how do we get from 'here' to 'there'?' in the FAQ section:

"There are so many variables regarding what specific changes in society would actually precipitate such a massive shift in global operations, that speculating how it might unfold is almost pointless. The only thing we can say for certain is that it WILL happen when enough people want it.

Spreading the word about a free world will not lead us to a transition, spreading the word IS the transition. We are already in it. All we need is a sufficient will of the people to bring about the necessary changes. A figure as low as 1% of the world's population may even be enough to start an unstoppable chain-reaction, but how it actually unfolds is anyone's guess!"
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 August 2018 1:42:12 AM
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[Cont.]

- Ok so lets look at your plan.

You want to MOBILISE 1% of the population to believe in policies you've yet to stipulate.
To start an 'unstoppable chain reaction' that would impose your ideas upon the other 99% ?
You want a revolution of 'useful idiots'.

You say 'spreading the word IS the transition'
- So in your mind just speading this crap and having people take the time to hear you 'victimhood sales-pitch' and preying on their emotional incontinence undermines the existing order; and is thus a stepping stone towards your utopia.

So you want to ruin my society for pie in the sky bs, that you can't even lay out realistic policies for?
Where's your ethics Mr New World Savior?

Like a heroin dealer you're preying on peoples emotions, misfortunes and poor life choices to sell your agenda.
A stronger willed person wouldn't even waste their time reading your 2-bit website.

You want people to believe you have answers for the world, yet you cant even build a website properly?
Or stipulate your policies and ideas in such a future society you advocate for?

The world I want is one where ideas are won on the basis of merit.
Where's your fine print?
Where's your merit?
All you've done is whinged about the problems and produced a solution a 8year old could come up with, thinking somehow we should listen because you're an adult.

Ultimately, it looks like a eugenics depopulation agenda to me anyway.
Not a plan to build a better, more efficient, more productive, ethical and fairer society.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 August 2018 1:56:11 AM
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A pure form of socialism bound to fail from day one is what this proposal is, such things fail because no reason to improve can exist and soon the opposite takes place a dreamers dream that would if we wanted it or not it would take away what makes us drive for better
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 19 August 2018 5:14:46 AM
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Yes Belly, in an ideal Communist world there would be no need for money, all would take according to their needs, and not according to their greed. well we are a long way short of this state of Nirvana, are we not?
Many cultures existed for millennia without seeing a need for money, just not ours.

BTW Woolies and Coles are throwing open their doors for the next 24 hours so customers can go in (in an orderly fashion) and take groceries only according to their needs. They have stressed it must be done in an orderly fashion, no rioting, or they wont repeat it next week. LOL
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 19 August 2018 7:02:55 AM
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