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The Forum > General Discussion > An Orderly Translation From Fossil Fuels to Renewable Energy is Not Only Inevitable But Necessary

An Orderly Translation From Fossil Fuels to Renewable Energy is Not Only Inevitable But Necessary

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As long as other nations want to buy it to put power in their people's homes and raise the standard of living for them and their families we should sell it, until the last coal fired power station closes for good.
Of course we should move to better cleaner means of energy production, but we can't shut the country down over 'the right thing to do'
Is mise, if you had to choose between schools, hospitals, or welfare for the aged being the losers in your plan to kick coal out (and associated economic loss) which would you choose?
The answer is none you fool, it's treason to deliberately impact on those lives for pie in the sky ideals.
Misguided morals and poor priorities sorry.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 13 April 2018 9:24:19 AM
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G whatever! Firstly "peer reviewed BS" the chief scientist of the UK told the government (backed by peer review) diesel was the way to go! Years later says he just parroted what the car companies told him and it was dangerous rubbish. So diesel is poison and now let's get rid of it. Peer review, he should be in jail and excuse me if I stick two fingers up at you and all the idiot, lying frauds.
I remember coal costing us much much less than renewables. Since government intervention it keeps going up. We need at least two very big HELE coal plants and the immediate abolition of renewable subsidies, you know what China, Germany and Japan are doing.
Posted by JBowyer, Friday, 13 April 2018 10:53:12 AM
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GJOESQ is obviously an academic involved in the global warming research scam, or a gravy train rider, making a quid from the scam. It is obvious, if for no other reason than Josh Frydenberg & Malcolm Turnbull promote it, that you the global warming scam, as demonstrated by the Climategate emails is not only garbage, but some of the most dishonest research ever published.

That they are not game to reveal their reasoning to general scrutiny says it all. The scream now that the EPA will no longer accept secrete research proves they are not game to submit their garbage to general scrutiny.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 13 April 2018 10:55:04 AM
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The State Governments that have allowed existing coal generators to be closed down indicates that it is not an orderly transition to renewables. The case of South Australian Labor brain snap to diesel generators is how South Australia is going two steps back then one forward. Ararat in western Victoria had a diesel generator to supply energy to locals up until it was connected to the cheaper Victorian grid in the early 1970's. Diesel generators are expensive for the supply of energy compared with even old coal fired generators. The future for Australia is clean coal and nuclear energy. I always remember how a school near Canberra was supplied with Solar panels.Unfortunately the first hail storm that hit the area smashed all the panels. Luckily the State Government has unlimited money and instead of these panels saving money over a ten year period.They will now see their school pupils going on the aged pension before the cost is fully recovered. It is time for the rich to admit they do not care about the average Australian but rather see a chance to get ahead of the pack with subsidised roof top energy along with negative gearing. Australia is a great place to live for the rich.
Posted by BROCK, Friday, 13 April 2018 1:29:10 PM
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Another link that may be of interest:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-15/renewable-energy-investment-bonanza-coming-to-australia/9328638
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 13 April 2018 4:12:15 PM
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“The economics, the engineering, and the environmental arguments are quite clear. They point to a modern, smarter, faster, cleaner and cheaper grid that is based around renewables, storage, smart software, distributed energy and dispatchable power”

Great to see the word "storage" in there. Show us the money. What scalable, viable storage makes renewables sufficiently despatchable for modern civilization on the main grid? (I'll cede off-grid applications in Australia, which is where renewables belong, but even there great compromises are made and viability relies on large subsidies, as it does on-grid).

Despatchable renewables, but for hydro, is nothing at this stage but a figment of some motivated modellers imagination:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2542435118300485?via%3Dihub

So at this point in time renewablistas are trying to park us with wind and solar with gas backup as an emissions producing interim stage towards scalable, viable storage that hasn't been invented and is unlikely to be.

They require us to adopt their blind faith and pour all our effort and resources into a non-solution to AGW while they spread FUD around the one true solution has been working for decades.
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 13 April 2018 11:46:20 PM
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