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Unhappy Thirtieth for Malcolm.
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Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 5:54:13 AM
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Turnbull has stated that he wants Australia to be one of the top ten defense (euphemism for military) arms exporters. He wants Australia to get money for blood. Religious groups get excited about abortion and same sex marriage but accept the arms trade with equanimity. Where is the outrage? The world is awash with weapons. Where is the outrage?
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 10:31:32 AM
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I'm outraged David F...but remember the religious right are the gun toting hillbillys in the USA so why would it be any different here, other than the fact that they aren't allowed to have guns!
A good shootin apparently is a bit similar to a good hangin in olden times....lol Even though Malcolm is a dead loss as a PM he is at least a little more moderate than Tony "Budgie Smuggler" Abbott. I wonder what decisions Malcolm would have taken if he didn't have the loony right in his party. As Malcolm Fraser once said words to the effect that "the liberal party are no longer liberal". People blame Abbott for that but it happened under Little Johnnie Howard's reign is imbecile in chief. You will note that the religious nutters in the party...Abbott, Abetz & Andrews, the three a-holes...OOPS amigos...are always siding up to each other in a non-Liberal but very conservative way. AS if anyone cares what they think. The only good thing with Malcolm "Tax cuts for the rich" Turnbull is he is at least more moderate than the loony right but alas drifting loony right very quickly. What's that saying..."He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas"...lmao Malcolm's been looking a bit itchy lately...lmao Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:03:01 AM
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//the question is how long can Turnbull survive given these disastrous polls. I do not believe very long at all.//
I think the voters are getting rather tired of the game of musical chairs for the office of PM. If Turnbull is under-performing, there is a well established procedure for removing him from the position: a general election. What I find curious is why parties in opposition don't remove under-performing opposition leaders. Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:28:32 AM
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david F,
Is 'outrage' what they are are calling hysteria these days? Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:30:28 AM
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I note that Joyce has said that Turnbull should give more thought than he has to his poll 30 embarrassment; that could be just a tit for tat remark from Joyce, but it's a good idea.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:38:48 AM
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Barnaby Joyce did not stand down at any point in his
career until he was forced to do so. He does not practice what he preaches and has no credibility. As for Malcolm Turnbull? What he should be focusing on is strong policies, and delivering them to the Australian people. He's wise enough not to be distracted by polls. He knows that many people (apart from politicians - and those with ambition) don't pay much attention to polls. Polls have been wrong in the past. Besides, who else is there to choose from. I mean - seriously? It should be about policies - and what's good for the country. Not about popularity - and winning polls. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:35:32 PM
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With reference to the polls on the current government.
It is the Conservatives in the Coalition Party that are turning Australian voters against the current Government. It is very difficult for any leader to lead a party whose Conservative wing does not consider the unity and rationality of the Party but are determined to do anything and everything in their own interests and agenda. This reflects very badly on the entire Party and results in bad polls. Disunity is death as history has shown in this country - no matter who leads and what the Government. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 1:12:48 PM
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If polls are anything to go by, Nick Xenophon would be Premier of SA today, I would like to know who they poll (as I have never been polled nor any of my friends) Do they poll a room full of Union workers and Uni students?
Posted by kirby483, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 5:00:15 PM
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Polls are usually crap, but 30 in a row is a bit hard to scoff at. The silliest poll yet is the one that has 62% wanting Turnbull to remain leader. I'll bet Shorten wants him to stay, as Turnbull is his best chance of getting Labor and himself elected.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 5:33:05 PM
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//Do they poll a room full of Union workers and Uni students?//
According to the latest Newspoll, two-party preferred support for the Coalition was at 48%. I'd love to know what sort of Unionists they're polling to get 48% support for the Government. Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 8:59:52 PM
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Toni, members of the Credit Union.
Deputy leader Julie Bishop has thrown here full support behind Malcolm, gee in that case Malcolm's in big trouble. Someone asked me how many plotters and schemers are there in the Coalition? I said if you include Senators about 104. How many want to be leader? about 104. If the Coalition wants to win the next elections, its simple, do a NZ Labour, a month before the poll give old Money Bags the flick and install Hooly Dooly Julie. She will be on her "honeymoon" during the campaign and therefore romp in. Poor old Silly Billy wont know what hit him. If anyone asks why they had to dump poor Malcolm, the official reason can be, due to his terminal illness. What's that? He's in the advanced stages of Unpopularity, and can't go on, caught it from the Mad Monk, very contagious in the Coalition. The voters will understand, if they don't, bad luck. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 5:08:50 AM
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I thought all would be aware, the polls are conducted at the front door of the NPC.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 5:11:33 AM
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Irrespective of polls, the Turnbull government is in terminal decline. It has lost the backbone Abbott gave to the Coalition, and it stands for nothing.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 9:26:44 AM
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Net worth of PM Turnbull, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Turnbull
Some $200 Million (Australian) as of 2015. What has he to worry about? 30 polls down and however many more to go before he "retires" or gets a plum job as a diplomat or advisor to some neo con think tank. Oh did I mention the Commonwealth Pension? Anywhere upwards from $265K p.a. for the rest of his life. Opinion polls....ha ha ha ! Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 9:28:20 AM
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After 7 years of total chaos and nation wrecking by Rudd/Gillard the only useful thing the Government has done is to stop the illegals coming by boat and scrap the idiotic breathing tax. Now we are heading back to the nation wreckers.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 9:46:47 AM
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if Malcom wanted to do something useful as pm he should defund the disgusting abc. They are now paying the Australian hater Yasmin whatshername to promote women wearing headgear. No doubt Malcolm feels the responsibility for the debt he owes the abc for spreading their vile hatred sneering of Abbott over the last 10 years.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 9:58:09 AM
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No matter how he tries to spin and distort the facts, Turnbull's performance has been abysmal.
Measuring “growth” numbers against population, the strongest relative growth in jobs in history was actually in 1989 when Bob Hawke was PM. Hawke beat Turnbull’s achievement – relative to population – also in 1985 and 1988. Despite the spin, unemployment rose from 5.7% to 6.1% under Abbott and went down to 5.6% under Turnbull. All he talks abouty is jobs created, not jobs destroyed. From an international viewpoint, according to OECD rankings we went from 7th position in 2013 to 14th in 2015 and are now ranked at 17th globally. Long term unemployment was at 19% in 2013 but is now at 26.5%. Debt-wise, Nett debt went up by 59% under Abbott and by another 35% under Turnbull. Gross debt went up by 42% under Abbott and another 36% under Turnbull. Other areas of Turnbull’s failure include wage levels, underemployment, jobless youth, retail sales, trade, GDP growth, national income, national net worth, housing and construction, infrastructure and government waste. It has been an appalling period of deterioration while all well-managed economies have advanced impressively. The only area that has done well under Turnbull is in shifting wealth to the top 10% of the population from from 50.3% in 2013, to 51.3% in 2015. It jumped again in 2017, to 52.3%. Meanwhile, the share held by the bottom 60% of Australians fell from 17.2% in 2013, to 16% in 2015 and down to 15.3% last year. Most voters may not know or even care about the statistics but apparently many feel their own situation has not improved under Turnbull and is not likely to. The more he tries to spin the facts in the face of real-life experience , the more out-of-touch with reality he looks. Posted by rache, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 10:00:32 AM
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Turnbull and his crooked cronies keep yabbering about 420,000 new jobs being created, but they cannot show us where these mysterious jobs are, or who got them. There are still 700,000 unemployed people in Australia, who have been about before the claimed creativeness of Turnbull and friends, and they are still there.
Either Turnbull and his mob are lying or they have pushed even more no-hopers into the commonwealth public service (which would not be an election winner), because that's the only area governments can employ people. We have heard nothing about these 420, 000 jobs from business – the only sector that can create employment – because they do not need any more people. The supposed jobs could not have been snapped up by immigrants, most of whom can't speak English, and come from dysfunctional countries looking for welfare, not jobs. There are no jobs for people already here, yet mass immigration continues. Some of the Turnbull government's achievements: The highest household debt in history The highest foreign debt in history The lowest level of household savings since the GFC The highest housing prices in history The highest level of commonwealth debt The highest level of crime and drug abuse in history The highest level of net immigration and congested cities The most money wasted on consultants Turnbull is a raging socialist who has out-Labored Labor for incompetence,big spending and turning Australia into a Third World country. Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 1:12:50 PM
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The one bit of consistently good news for our Prime
Minister is that he has retained his status as preferred Prime Minister over his rival Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. Unfortunately the division and uncertainty that seems to have paralysed the Liberal Party for most of Mr Turnbull's time in office shows no sign of abating any time soon. It is a pity that a Prime Minister is being forced to stop governing the country and has to turn his administration into a protection racket for his greedy, incompetent, cabinet colleagues. If Tony Abbott or Peter Dutton are going to replace Mr Turnbull as leaders, this will be the predicted swing to Labor that we're likely to see at the next election. Let's not forget that these same colleagues who are now baying for blood were the ones who were willing to vote for an empty chair rather than support the previous PM - Mr Abbott. Do we really think that the Liberals would want to head into an election with either of these leaders, Abbott or Dutton who are likely to lose their own seats? Well, maybe. They did with Howard in 2007. So anything is possible. Peter Costello - the country needs you! Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 2:45:17 PM
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Costello?
Here are some facts about the mythological "Howard Golden Age". From about the 20th-ranked economy in 1982, under Keating Australia had risen by 1996 to sixth in the world — behind only the United Arab Emirates, Norway, Singapore, Japan and the United States. By 2007 at the end of the Howard years, Australia had slipped back in the rankings to 10th place. This was masked by global growth and an extraordinarily acquiescent media. But while Howard and Costello alternately blundered and dozed, Australia (with Japan and the USA) was overtaken by Iceland, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and China. Costellos blunders include - The privatisation of productive assets. Failing to invest in infrastructure. Failing to lift compulsory superannuation savings to strengthen retiree security. Selling 167 tonnes of Australia’s gold reserves at near rock bottom prices just before the price rose spectacularly.(Loss was approx $5billion). Losing more than $4.5 billion gambling in foreign exchange markets between 1997 and 2002. According to a Treasury report between 2004 and 2007, the mining boom and a robust economy added $334 billion in windfall gains to the budget surplus. Of this, the Howard Government spent, or gave away in tax cuts, $314 billion, or 94 per cent. Sales of businesses yielded another $72 billion. And yet Australia’s cash in the bank when Howard left office was a pathetically low 7.3% of GDP. As for that so-called surplus, there was indeed a surplus announced in Costello's final budget but Howard blew it before the November election desperately tying to buy votes. Howard spent $4 billion on his own ‘cash splash’ in that final budget, and promised another $4 billion in his election campaign in the middle of a boom. In other words, there was no economic rationale whatsoever. Howard's handouts were helping to overheat the economy and used for political bribes designed soley to buy votes. The fact is that the Howard government were incompetent economic managers who were just lucky to have been in a resources boom. What we need are good economic managers, not just lucky ones. Posted by rache, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 5:08:56 PM
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The fact that Turnbull has not stepped down voluntarily speaks loudly of his poor character and self-interest. The fact that his colleagues haven't called on him to stand down speaks loudly of their cowardice and unsuitablity for office. In any country but dumb, lethargic Australia, people would be out on the streets demanding action and a repeat of the Whitlam dismissal.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 5:14:16 PM
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Dear rache,
So what do you think of Malcolm Turnbull as an economic manager? Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 5:21:38 PM
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I don't know how I could have overlooked Turnbull's crowning achievement: the highest power prices in the world.
As the Quadrant's online editor, Roger Franklin wrote today: " ....the Prime Minister is entirely disinclined to "engage" with any who would do something to lower the bills of every Australian being robbed blind by this government's resolute endorsement of green idiocy and the rent-seeking shakedown artists making out like bandits at the expense of the nation's wealth and future." Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 5:28:09 PM
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An article in the Australian Financial Review disproves
that the Prime Minister is inclined to disengage with anyone or anything that would bring power prices down. On the contrary. The Prime Minister had summoned energy retailers and Chief Executives to Canberra to explain why they are charging households and small businesses so much compared to their counterparts in other countries. As Josh Freidenberg explained the government's aim was to get certainty into the market to drive prices down and to ensure a more stable system overall. Read more here: http://www.afr.com/news/australian-households-pay-highest-power-prices-in-world-20170804-gxp58a Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 6:48:23 PM
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Another one of your famous references dated 4/8/17 that doesn't open beyond the first paragraph, Foxy. It "disproves" nothing, and I'm sticking with my source, Roger Franklin in Quadrant Online.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 11:06:42 PM
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Dear ttbn,
My article simply shows that the government was trying to do something regarding the high power prices. You and your article gave a different impression. However, whatever rocks your boat. Enjoy your gruntlement. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 12 April 2018 9:19:05 AM
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Foxy,
I tend to agree with Saul Eastlake who says that Turnbull is "a better manager than Abbott, but not much". He's definitely a better communicator but he doesn't have much to sell. He's obsessed with those corporate tax cuts as a magical solution to everything but heavily politicises all his decisions rather than providing evidence for his policies. While he complains about Labor's threat to dividend imputation handouts to self-funded retirees he's conveniently forgotten that he removed the pension entirely from thousands of people himself. The imputation suggestion (like the one about negative gearing) came from Treasury advice but Turnbull chose to ignore both for political reasons. When the changes to penalty rates were raised, his government didn't even bother to put in a submission and just looked the other way. His party promoted the sale of State electricity assets insisting that prices would fall and supplies would be guaranteed under private ownership and are now considering "socialising" Liddell power station. That site was valued at zero when it was effectively given away to AGL as part of the Bayswater sale on the mutual understanding that it would be shut down in 2017 when the Tomago smelter closed. It's a history of bad economic decisions that are coming back to haunt them. It's also about a lack of confidence in the future and I don't see much out there at the moment. In the end, the statistics and the polls tell the story about his management. People don't think their situations have improved and don't expect them to under the current regime. Posted by rache, Thursday, 12 April 2018 9:43:48 AM
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Runner, sorry to inform you but Abbott/Turnbull have not stopped the boats, they have gagged to MSM from reporting any SIEV's landing (including interceptions at sea near Territorial Borders).
Along with this they have taken funding away from NORFORCE and redistributed those funds to the recently formed Border Force, with lesser amounts to Customs and the AFP, AQIS. There were even discussions at a high level to get "contractors" to carry out patrols previously conducted by Regional Force Surveillance Units in the FNQ/Kimberley/Arnhem Land regions. The RAN Patrol boats (same class & design as the ones Customs/BF use) are constantly on the slipway at HMAS Coonawarra in Darwin or NQEA in Cairns getting cracked hulls welded up, or fuel problems sorted. There are other issues such as recruiting trained crews to man patrols within RAN/Customs/BF...meanwhile the SIEV's getting through are intercepted only mere miles off our coast & towed back to Gove, Darwin, Thursday Island, Weipa, or Christmas Island in the wee small hours to avoid the public glare. Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Thursday, 12 April 2018 10:48:28 AM
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Dear rache,
Thanks for replying to my question concerning Turnbull. Things do look dismal at the moment. Hopefully, they'll improve at least before the next election. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 12 April 2018 4:01:54 PM
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Malcolm’s mates in the cabinet, including Julie Bishop, moved quickly to hose down speculation of a challenge, but the question is how long can Turnbull survive given these disastrous polls. I do not believe very long at all.