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Why Does Australia Have to Grow?

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Banjo, ttbn, Issy, do you think if we took in say 60 million Muslims, all named Ahmad or Mohammad immediately, it would solve any possible problem with under population.

Issy, my analogy, I much prefer to think of Australia as some kind of gigantic Fat Albert person being stuffed with more goodie yum yum's. Suddenly one more tincy morsel is forced in, and Fat Albert explodes!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 3:57:38 AM
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Q&A had a bash at this problem last night.
Not ONE person asked if these 200,000 migrants a year are bring their own electricity with them ?

They will just make a bad situation worse.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 8:05:02 AM
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Most of the comments here are based on logic and common sense....but Australia doesn't run on logic and common sense ..it runs on boolsheet.
Now this is not news to most of you so why do you bother complaining about what is going to continue.
The way politicians see it, the migrants are future voters and every time elections roll around it's about little johnnie's education and everyone drops their bundle in an effort to improve the education system where it's core subject is how to apply for govt freebies, so much so, the govt has to employ more to handle the requests.
The more govt employees, the more union members.
As the man once said...where there's confusion there's profit....for some!
We have an apathetic electoral system designed for a phlegmatic society whose focus is on the cricket or football and occasionally lift their heads to look at what they can't cook while ordering Dominoes or Lite 'n Easy to stave off obesity.
Now I ask you...'Aren't we lucky?'
Posted by Special Delivery, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 10:15:37 AM
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Special Delivery,

You are probably right. Nothing is going to change while we have the sorts of people we have in the political class, and there doesn't seem to be a way to replace them because they won't allow change. There is not enough significant difference between the politicians and parties for our pathetic little 3 yearly votes to achieve real change.

Douglas Murray believes that the mass immigration into Europe has caused a 'European ennui' a feeling of listlessness and dissatisfaction. While our problems are not as bad as Europe's, we are getting that way, and Australians have possibly already slipped into 'ennui'. After all, we are not a nation that takes much interest in politics and its effects on us.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 11:22:46 AM
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Banjo,
>How do we reduce impact on the enviroment and at the same time double our population and have a higher standard of living?

Take the environment more seriously.
Build the infrastructure we need, including (but not limited to) high speed rail to encourage decentralization.
Use economic policy to ensure there's ample opportunity in all parts of Australia, not just the big cities.
Do a lot more scientific research - both basic research to increase our understanding, and R&D to enable us to take advantage of that.
Have permanently low interest rates to enable businesses to invest more in automation.

>Where can we take advantages of what opportunities

Wherever we need, or will soon need, better connectivity, we can rely on the rising population to create sufficient demand to justify the spending.

>and where do we get the funds to build infastructure?

From the RBA.

>How do we profit from bringing more refugees here

By getting them into work as quickly as possible.

>and how do we prevent refugees from helping themselves?

Firstly by spending insane amounts of money trying to prevent them from getting here. Secondly by not always allowing them to work.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:52:04 PM
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There are some worrying signs floating around the ether.
The Dutch CEO of Shell has announced that Shell is planning how to
ease their way out of the oil industry.
Mobil also made a comment that the oil industry will not have a
profitable future, or words to that effect.
This is related to the cost of search and development of new fields.
David Hughes has published a report on the false picture given by the
EIA in its Energy Outlook paper. This shows that the future production
and financial viability of the oil industry, in particular the
fracking part is at risk. True, this relates to the US, but the oil
market is just one big world market.

http://www.postcarbon.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Hughes_Shale-Reality-Check_Winter-2018.pdf?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email
or
http://tinyurl.com/y9edxmvu

When discussion immigration NO ONE mentions electricity and liquid fuels.
In a world high price and tight market just how many people in
Australia will be able to get a useful share of energy ?

WHO KNOWS ? WHO CARES ?
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 2:09:47 PM
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