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Major city traffic congestion.

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Dear Aidan,

What I'm trying to point out is - it's about planning
long term.

City planners around the world plan cities for the future.
Big business and local authorities ignore these plans
for their own interests - and thus we get the chaos that
we have. It seems that what is lacking is vision.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 16 February 2018 9:21:39 AM
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Recently in Melbourne the NE Freeway link was put
up for a community survey with a selection of four
options. Based on the survey results, the option chosen
(admittedly the cheapest) was not the most practical
as an immediate solution, and definitely out of date -
long term.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 16 February 2018 9:24:38 AM
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In our authorities defence, it is very difficult for them to provide comparative infrastructure to the likes of New York, when we have such a tiny population in comparison. Take Bribie Island for instance, near where I live. The traffic often comes to a stand sill and is now effecting local 'off the island' businesses as many islanders simply wont leave the island for fear of getting stuck in traffic upon their return, while some who used to travel for goods simply avoid the road now. One solution is a toll to fund a new bridge, with exemptions or very low fees for residents, however many tourists would simply go elsewhere so it would most likely be pointless. Of cause in the case of our cities, public transport is quite often unreliable, too much hassle or just too expensive. Sadly, I think congestion is the new norm and is here to stay.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 16 February 2018 1:36:39 PM
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It is just so easy.

Just move all bureaucrats out to the outer areas. Make it between 25 & 30 Kilometres from the city centre. Perhaps leave a couple of tea ladies to service the useless politicians, & perhaps a McDonald's franchise, although that is probably too good for them.

The high end inner city retailers, who service the overpaid bureaucrats will have to follow their cash cow. No one left but the greenies & far left twits living in the inner city high rise. Of course many of them are bureaucrats, so they too will have to move to bicycle range of their new offices.

All those current wasteful office blocks can be converted to low cost apartment housing, & no one other than the politicians will be driving into the city again.

There what was so hard about that? It should even please the greenies, as it would be one in the eye for the developers who built all those high rise office towers.

Inner city business centres worked when cities were less than 400,000 or so population. They are way past their use by date once cities approach a million, & ridiculous when populations reach multi millions.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 16 February 2018 2:46:30 PM
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Hasbeen,
Yes I'm talking about public transport. The amount of fuel it uses per passenger km varies widely according to the number of passengers and the type of vehicle used, but it tends to be significantly more fuel efficient than cars. It is also much more space efficient, reducing the amount of congestion on the roads.

Governments have found that subsidising public transport reduces the need for more roads (which would be more expensive), improves social equity and increases the value of land (at least some of which gets returned to the government as land tax).

In this stage of the economic cycle, with interest rates at record lows, running a deficit is desirable. Governments should be investing in meeting our future needs, not ignoring them to focus on short term budgetary considerations.

As well as causing chaos on the roads, moving all the bureaucrats would make it more difficult for them to work effectively, as it would make it harder to cooperate with each other, the politicians, businesses and the public. You seem to have failed to understand that the CBD's main advantage is that it's easily accessible from everywhere.
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 17 February 2018 2:14:37 AM
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Foxy,
Long term planning is certainly needed, but the main thing lacking at present is communication. The government should be crowdsourcing alternatives and improvements to every plan, but instead the politicians want their pet projects to escape scrutiny!

However I'm quite puzzled by your comments on Melbourne's NE Freeway link. ISTM the solution they've chosen is the best one by far - not only is it cheapest, but it's the one with the highest demand (so more toll revenue). And if it eventually needs augmenting with another new road further east, maybe some of the toll revenue could pay for that?

I'm surprised they want the southern portal so far south, but overall I think they've done quite well.
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 17 February 2018 2:50:18 AM
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