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Dastardly remains in the Parliament, why?

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Sam Dastyari has only been told to resign from Labor’s front bench after a tape recording surfaced which revealed his uncomfortably close links to China.

Rightly, Senators have fallen on their swords over dual nationality, but Shorten protects this greasy S.O.B. Both Shorten and this grub should be stepping down. The same as any other politician or public official should be expected to do.

Brick bats too to Malcolm Turnbull for his milk-sop criticism. Travel rorts all over again with pollies appearing to protect their little earners now and in the future when they are also receiving that glorious golden handshake from the taxpayer.

So much for the 'Code of Conduct' for politicians.
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 30 November 2017 8:52:07 AM
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The media today is full of suggestions that Dastyari should be removed from our Parliament altogether. The man is a total tool and, perhaps, much worse.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 30 November 2017 10:09:03 AM
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Malcolm Turnbull thinks he should 'get out of the Senate'.

That is agreed.

However, one would have imagined though that in view of the Westminster inheritance there would be outrage from all members that Dastyari has not fallen on his sword and resigned from the Senate and from his Labor membership too.

Shorten is a hypocrite.
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 30 November 2017 11:06:04 AM
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Yeah and Barnaby had to join for being partly kiwi while Sam acts as a traitor to Australia and still sits in Parliament.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 30 November 2017 11:31:02 AM
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He has brought the Parliament into disrepute.

Bill Shorten is a cowboy imagining that having Dastyari step down from a couple of trite roles and then restoring him later as he has done before is any solution to this crisis?

What confidence would business have that highly confidential information compulsorily acquired by government is secure? What confidence do any of us have that our personal information held by government is secure?

It is all care and no responsibility. Shorten needs the boot too. Noticeably, he is putting on his wide-eyed, innocent 'who, what?' look again. What rogues.
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 30 November 2017 11:56:51 AM
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"Dastardly remains in the Parliament, why?"

- Because nobody dares to poke the dragon's eye.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 30 November 2017 1:50:38 PM
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Labor is a complete joke.

At the first sign of impropriety Liberal ministers resign from parliament, Sam Dastardly, on his second strike goes to the back bench with his fat salary slightly trimmed.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 30 November 2017 2:50:46 PM
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Perhaps the ABC can work its magic and buff Dastardly up again,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalition-to-quiz-abc-over-australian-story-on-sam-dastyari/news-story/6b5343f96c8a10c4c33d5d140c71d78e
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 30 November 2017 3:10:21 PM
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From the link,
'Tasmanian Liberal Senator Eric Abetz said the ABC, as the national broadcaster, had to be seen by the community as “not being biased in anybody’s favour.”

“To do an Australian Story on a deputy whip in the Senate is passing strange because usually the Australian Story is reserved for more prominent individuals — if they are dealing with parliamentarians. And Senator Dastyari’s career thus far has not been exactly exemplary.

“One wonders why, out of all the parliamentarians they could have chosen, they sought to assist a parliamentarian who is launching a book when his only career highlight thus far has been his disgraceful acceptance of donors’ money to pay personal accounts.”

Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson said it looked to many like the ABC had provided Senator Dastyari with “new tyres and an oil change” in a media pit stop on his bumpy road to political redemption.

“The ABC should have protocols in place before giving a sitting politician this sort of soft exposure, especially given it was timed at a moment when Sam was in over-drive promoting his book, and ultimately political career. He has been nick named ‘showman Sam’ for a reason,” he said.'
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 30 November 2017 3:13:16 PM
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"Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson said it looked to many like the ABC had provided Senator Dastyari with “new tyres and an oil change” in a media pit stop on his bumpy road to political redemption."

Yes it seems true. The senator for China's problems caused the ABC to interrupt their nightly jihad against Don Burke to spend 24 hours explaining why the Senator wasn't traitorous but was really just a naughty boy.But I'm sure the ABC will get back to criticising Burke for saying bad things to someone 30 years ago.

When David Combe was found to be playing footsie with the Russians back in the early 1980s, Hawke forced him out of all positions of power and the parliament and all aspects of politics. Even people like Mick Young, who was merely peripherally involved in the scandal suffered lasting damage despite being a Hawke confidante.

Compare the actions then to those now and observe how far we have fallen in standards and moral rectitude. Observe and lament.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 1 December 2017 12:43:38 PM
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Dastyari could very well be in breach of section 44 of the Constitution. See "Under any acknowledgement of obedience or adherence to a foreign power". Communist China.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 1 December 2017 2:24:47 PM
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like with all the women abusers the left often protects their own. Imagine it was Abbott. There would be no room in newspapers or the abc for anything else.
Posted by runner, Friday, 1 December 2017 2:33:38 PM
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David Flint writes in this week's Spectator that communist China is in the process of bringing a range of countries into its sphere of influence.

Dastyari is probably small potatoes compared with a "powerful lobby among our political and other elites supporting an increasing role for Beijing in Australian affairs". This lobby "wants us to go one step further (than the Turnbull government's making us economically dependent on China) send off our allies, the Americans, and go some way towards accepting the suzerainty of Beijing".
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 1 December 2017 4:04:02 PM
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"Shanghai Sam Dastyari knows enough about back yards to host a show
........
So for all the silliness surrounding the section 44 controversy, and the claims it is no longer relevant in a multicultural society, the constitutional demand for undivided loyalty is perhaps more imperative than ever. It is just that giving up citizenship is a base requirement rather than a foolproof preventive measure.

Shanghai Sam has taught us that much. By passing on his personal debts, spouting Beijing’s foreign policy lines and warning the Chinese we might be spying on them, he has shown utter ambivalence about his independence, our national interest or which side he is supposed to be on.

Yet Bill Shorten says Dastyari can stay in the Labor Party and in parliament.

This means he would be an active player in a Shorten Labor government. He would play a role in caucus decisions about domestic and foreign policy. Perhaps one day he would sit in cabinet. If so, he might also sit in the national security committee.

How could Shorten leave open this possibility? Do we expect voters would accept having Dastyari travel to Beijing as a senator, committee member or minister and represent Australia’s interests? Could he represent us in meetings with the US?

Perhaps Shorten would appoint Dastyari to parliament’s joint committee on intelligence and security, or to cabinet as defence or foreign minister. Or maybe Labor would send him into retirement as an ambassador to Beijing."

from a reader,
"...Dastyari is an example of all that is broken with the political class in general, and the shameless hypocrisy of the ALP and Shorten.

Once again Shorten and the ALP are given a pass due to incompetence from arguably the most incompetent in name Liberal Prime Minister since the founding of the Liberal Party.

The arrogance of Dastyari in refusing to resign again demonstrates the level of hubris the Opposition now exerts. Thanks to Turnbull and an insipid front bench this ALP Opposition Leader and the same old crew that were Ministers in the Rudd Gillard Governments will soon be back in power."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/shanghai-sam-dastyari-knows-enough-about-back-yards-to-host-a-show/news-story/46d4cbff93a36ed577d2777edd14ba02
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 2 December 2017 8:58:32 AM
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Once there was the Peking Man and now there is the Bejing Man.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 2 December 2017 11:53:08 AM
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I still think he could be in breach of section 44 and should be referred to the High Court. He is not a dual citizen, but he has clearly had dealings with, and benefited from, the Chinese communist government via businessmen connected to that government.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 2 December 2017 2:10:02 PM
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While I certainly don't think Dastyari should ever be given any position of influence within any government ever again I don't think there are enough grounds to have him removed from the senate.

When I look at his pretty pathetic indiscretions compared to something like the AWB directly pouring millions of dollars into the coffers of a dictator under UN sanction.

Somehow our then deputy prime minister and foreign minister never set eyes on the over 20 cables from our diplomats and intelligence agencies informing them of the issues with kickbacks.

The Cole Inquiry recommended charges against 12 people yet not one occurred.

Sam is a preschooler compared to Howard and his bunch of nasties.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 2 December 2017 2:55:41 PM
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There is no defence of Dastyari, just another Labor grub. The Chinese billionaire businessman in question, Huang Xiangmo has undoubted links to the Chines government, there would be no such thing as a billionaire businessman in China who has no government links, a fact known to all Australian politicians. The trite indignation over the issue coming out of Turnballs is both hypocritical, and if the matter was not so serious laughable. Mr Xiangmo is very photogenic, having been photographed regularly with top Coalition party members, including Bishop, Abbott and of course Turnbull himself among others, it has also come to light than Andrew Robb was counted as a dear friend by Mr Xiangmo. Labor also have no shame on this with luminaries such as Gillard and Shorten having met, and again being photographed with the very photogenic Mr Xiangmo. Both Labor and the Coalition have received large political donations from Xingmo. The Liberal candidate for Bennelong John Alexander has a close associate of Xiangmo, a Mr Xu, helping him out with his campaign, something voters should "reward" on the 16th December. Xu the close associate was at the meeting between Xiangmo and Dastyari.
The people of Bennelong have a clear choice now, they can vote for Labor or Liberal and get Mr Xiangmo, or they can vote for the Greens, Justin Alick and get fair dinkum Aussie representation.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 4:45:45 AM
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SR and Paul,

I can see that you are trying desperately hard (and failing miserably) to find some equivalent of the abhorrent behaviour of Sam Dastardly, First taking money directly for personal expenses, and then standing on a platform emblazoned with the insignia of the Aus government and whole heartedly endorsing China annexation of the SCS in direct contravention of the government and Labor policy, then advises the Chinese agent on actions to avoid ASIO surveillance.

Three strikes and you are out Mate.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 1:21:09 PM
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Dastaryi is a running sore for Labor. Shorten seems to have something smelly in his pilchers too.

Not that Shorten's credibility is worth anything. He is bunging on that that wide-eyed girlie look of innocence, 'Who, me?' look more often. It is his trademark. No need for a lie detector there.
Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 1:47:53 PM
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leoj any comment on the fall of Coalition members over section 44. With the HC booting of the non citizen Fiona Nash from parliament. Then their number two pick, Hollie Hughes was found to have stuck her snout in the taxpayer funded trough a bit to early, that seen her flicked. Now the government is refusing to refer its dodgy members to the court. You had lots to say when it was only a couple of Greens, now the boot is well and truly on the other foot. But you have been deafeningly quite on the matter.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 7 December 2017 9:53:49 AM
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Paul1405,

LOL . When you get your own site you can go around hijacking threads and directing posters what to post.

In the interim, here is the thread title and the original post, so go for it!
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8046&page=1
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 7 December 2017 10:15:55 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Are you really equating what Sam did compared to shoving hundreds of millions of dollars from Australia into the pockets of Saddam Hussein? A sadistic dictator whose aggression ultimately cost thousands of allied soldiers their lives.

Get real.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 7 December 2017 12:41:58 PM
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SR,

Your faux outrage is amusing, I am not comparing Sam Dastardly's treasonous behaviour with the German invasion of Poland either precisely because it they are both irrelevant to the topic. I know that you desperately trying to deflect from Sam's horrendous behaviour by dredging up ancient history, but no one's buying it.

What do you think of the weasel's 115 pointed questions of the defence department on the behalf of China. I think that the Peking Schmuck should not darken the Senate ever again.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 7 December 2017 5:32:53 PM
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Dear Shadow minister,

Do you believe that illegally putting millions of dollars into the coffers of a dictator with whom we went to war with is treasonous or not?

Actually from a party which boasts Pig Iron Bob I suppose the answer would be no.

Its just that it would most certainly fail any test in any pub in the country.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 7 December 2017 6:31:00 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Chinese businesses are by far the largest
foreign-linked donors to BOTH major parties.
Recent investigative studies show that
between 2013 and 2015 Chinese linked companies
and independent donors have poured more than
$5.5 million into Liberal and Labor coffers.
Analysts say Chinese political donations are one
way Beijing seeks to gain influence in Australia.

As for Sam ? Voters will decide at the next
election. Just as they will with the current
Coalition government and Labor.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 7 December 2017 6:35:47 PM
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SR,

What I believe is that you don't understand the definition of treason, or relevance. Please illuminate the link between the Private company AWB's crimes and an MP acting against his countries interests for money, I believe it is entirely in your fevered imagination.

Foxy,

If you haven't grasped that this issue is way way more than just foreign donations then you have lost the plot. The crimes of Craig Thomson helped bring down Juliar, and Shanghai Sam sitting on the back bench is going to be a rotting albatross around Shorten's neck until the elections in 18 months.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 7 December 2017 7:25:32 PM
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Did someone mention that Liberal fortune cookie Andrew Rodd and his liking for a Chinese takeaway. No sooner had the former Trade Minister Robb cashed in big time with his Aussie taxpayer parliamentary pension. He was then on the payroll of the Chinese big business firm 'Landbridge'. What does Robb have to do to earn his payola of 4,300,000 Chinese Yuan ($A880,000), CONSULT! nothing more than that. so Robb would like us all to believe.

Former NSW Supreme Court judge Anthony Whealy, who examined the terms of a leaked letter from Chinese firm Landbridge to Mr Robb, said that "on the face of it, he is required not to do anything and still get a whacking great fee".

Does anyone think Robb might have been privy to secret government information when Trade Minister, information which could now be very advantageous to Chinese big business. Its time politicians like Robb and others came clean on their secret Chinese business deals.

Shadow, would you agree it looks like Dastyari and Robb are in the back of the rickshaw together on this.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/andrew-robbs-secret-china-contract-money-for-nothing-20171205-gzzaq5.html
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 7 December 2017 8:10:24 PM
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I have often wondered why Australia has been so generous when it comes to foreign land grabs in this country, by the likes of the Chinese. Maybe there is a method in the madness, why have they been able to buy the farm at knock down prices, is it a mystery? Its one thing to be able to open up the 'Happy Dragon' restaurant in Dixon Street it an entirely different matter to be able to buy Western Australia for four and sixpence halfpenny, or should I say a couple of yuan! The people should be asking both the Liberal and Labor parties to enlighten us on this oddity, and their connection to it all. Please explain Turnbull and Shorten! Now I sound like Pauline Hanson.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 8 December 2017 7:03:03 AM
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Paul,

As usual your argument is based on innuendo and a lack of logic.

Sam Dastardly is being pilloried for the following:

1 As an MP he gets a very generous salary and is expected not to take money from third parties for his own account which SD did. Whereas A Robb (and Bob Carr etc) as a private consultant gets no independent income and thus has no such limitations.

2 An MP is expected to put the interests of Australia above his own personal interests which SD violated several times on the public record. No one has shown that A Robb has done anything against Australia's interest.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 8 December 2017 9:46:10 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Every month more examples emerge of Coalition MPs and
officials abusing their power for financial or political
gain. So pointing finers at others really does not give
your side any more credibility especially when Coalition
links with China are so well know. Chinese Mining
Magnate Sally Zou has set up an entity called the "Julie
Bishop Glorious Foundation" to raise money for the Deputy
Leader. Ms Bishop has denied knowledge of this - of course.

There are so many issues of corruption within the party
that should be investigated - from Branch stacking,
to the National Water Plan being subverted, to Barnaby
Joyce's unwillingness to deal with water theft allegations,
to the cash for no criticism - scheme where Ruperr Murdoch
was $30 million handout to Foxtel for no criticism, and the
list goes on - you can read all about it in -

http://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/corruption-rife-in-turnbulls-australia--aided-by-corrupt-mass-media.10540

But of course it's all "Left-Wing" propaganda - isn't it?
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 8 December 2017 10:05:32 AM
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Shadow, They is no innuendo, just note where there's smoke, there's fire, In Robb's case who else applied for the job, what advantage could he offer the Chinese as a former Trade Minister, with knowledge of sensitive government information, all in his head. I have no problem with what you say, I only want to put all the vipers into the one pit. Do I have your agreement on that.
Bob Carr, a shining light, do not use him to strengthen your argument, he's in the same class as Sam and Andy.!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 8 December 2017 10:07:46 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

My apologies for the earlier link typo - here it
is again:

http://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/corruption-rife-in-turnbulls-australia--aided-by-corrupt-mass-media,10540
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 8 December 2017 10:31:38 AM
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Paul,

What utter crap, there is no smoke or fire. All you have shown is that Robb consults to the Chinese no more or less. The rest is no more than nudge nudge wink wink. The reason that the Greens don't consult after parliament is that there is no call to pay for incompetence and outrage.

Foxy,

The Independent Australian is the closest thing to a journalistic sewer where non entities indulge in a fact free whinge against the coalition. And Alan Austin is one of the worst, his allegations of corruption consist almost entirely innuendo, which if anyone actually read this turgid blog would land him in court.

For example, the Murray Darling water plan is an unenforceable agreement between the states negotiated by the incompetent Labor federal government. Joyce doesn't have the authority to intervene and given the morass that is the agreement, shouldn't touch it with a barge poll.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 8 December 2017 11:32:13 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

The information presented in the link I cited is
available on the web from other sources. You have
simply chosen to downplay the information because
again it's not from a source that you approve of
which does not make the information inaccurate
as Four Corners and other programs have confirmed.

In any case I again can see that you are one great
stampede of lips directed at the nearest Coalition
derriere.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:30:17 PM
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"The reason that the Greens don't consult after parliament is they do not wish to sell their country out by offering their services to the highest foreign bidder.

Shadow, I offer no defence of Dastyari, politically he is dead meat. I had no regard for the grub, even before the latest blow up.

Robb also needs to explain himself, has he cashed in by selling privy information he obtained as Trade Minister to a business with links to the Chinese government? The taxpayer who placed their trust in Robb, are entitled to know if he is now repaying that trust with disloyalty. it is a fair question.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 8 December 2017 7:54:29 PM
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Foxy,

The point is that the article in the IA is generally fact free and entirely innuendo. For example the idiot tries to claim that Barnaby Joyce is corrupt for not taking action against farms in Queensland taking more water than their allowance. The fact that water rights and enforcement lies entirely with the states. The problem for this moron and his ilk is that the government responsible is Queensland Labor who has all the authority to take action, but as of yet has done sweet F all.

Next this twit relates a rumour of branch stacking by an unnamed person in a unnamed meeting paying unnamed "members" an undisclosed amount.

And then you wonder why I mock your choice of references...

The point is the Peking schmuck was caught taking money in a manner that is strictly forbidden for an MP then openly acting against Australian interests for the individual, and gets caught lying about it. This is not going away and if Shorten wants to avoid another Craig Thomson saga he needs to get rid of Sam.

Paul,

Andrew Robb has been out of politics for nearly 2 years, his encyclopedic knowledge of trade in South East Asia helped seal three free trade deals in the region. It is entirely possible for him to help businesses in the region without harming Australia's interests, and no one has yet come up with a smidgen of evidence to the contrary.

If you want to find out what he is doing, perhaps you should read the link below which gives a lot of detail.

http://www.andrewrobb.com.au/#andrew-robb
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:38:27 AM
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Shadow Minister,

I stopped reading your post after the first couple of
words.

But I think that we can both agree that corrupt
politicians make the other ten percent look bad.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 9 December 2017 9:39:35 AM
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Foxy,

I am sorry that you have such a aversion to facts. Corruption is criminal fraud or abuse of power to enrich oneself, and the dim wit Alan Austin has not mentioned one.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 10 December 2017 3:53:13 PM
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Of course Shadow, you are well familiar with that conga line of NSW Liberals which were exposed by the ICAC taking illegal money from property developers.

There is a terrible malaise in Australian politics that the origin of some finance for both sides of politics, is at times suspect. Are these so called donations from dubious sources nothing more than certain quarters buying future favour with government. It does strengthens the argument that only taxpayer money should be the all of political funding, or private donations should be very much limited in the amount, and from whom.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 10 December 2017 7:38:31 PM
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'corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad'

No. Few politicians (and few business leaders) are unethical.

What you are seeking to do there is to muddy the waters to conceal the nasty slimy creatures like Dastyari (who must have a lot of dirt on Shorten, who is fearful of him).
Posted by leoj, Monday, 11 December 2017 3:29:22 AM
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More revelations and evidence of the growing divide against ex-union boss Shorten who is shielding Dastardly,

"Sam Dastyari warned Tanya Plibersek to abandon meeting with Hong Kong activist

Embattled Labor senator Sam Dastyari attempted to pressure Deputy Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek to abandon a meeting with a pro-democracy activist opposed to Beijing's interference in Hong Kong, according to multiple sources who say the 2015 intervention surprised Ms Plibersek.

The incident has prompted concerns about the motive behind Senator Dastyari's decision to approach Ms Plibersek's office, Fairfax Media has been told by three sources familiar with the matter, following other revelations concerning his links to Chinese Communist Party-aligned interests in Australia..."

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sam-dastyari-warned-tanya-plibersek-to-abandon-meeting-with-hong-kong-activist-sources-say-20171210-h01z5o.html
Posted by leoj, Monday, 11 December 2017 4:23:18 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Senator Dastyari has many questions to answer about
the relationship with the Chinese donor. There is
no question about that. However there are also
questions that need to be asked about China's
operations in Australia and about the links of our
politicians to Chinese political donors.

The following links give us more:

http://www.smh.com.au/interactive/2017/chinas-operation-australia/hard-power.html

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/foreign-minister-julie-bishops-links-to-chinese-political-donors-20160823-ggzauy.html

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/political-networking-the-chinese-way-a-sydney-mp-and-his-community-adviser-20170621-gww0k6.html
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 11 December 2017 10:25:46 AM
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Paul,

You forget the long conga line of Labor Councillors and MPs before the courts for corrupt behaviour involving developers for which the law was originally written? The labor governments still get all the developer money simply laundered by the unions and activist NGOs such as Getup, with the Greens'snouts deeply in the trough.

The point with Sam Dastardly is that he has not only been caught with his hands in the till, but doing his Chinese masters' will contrary to the interests of Australia
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 11 December 2017 10:27:39 AM
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cont'd ...

Dear Shadow Minister,

Amy apologies for the typo in one of my previous links -
here it is again:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/foreign-minister-julie-bishops-links-to-chinese-political-donors-20160823-gqzauy.html

Many politicians on both sides of politics have a great deal to
answer.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 11 December 2017 10:37:21 AM
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Foxy,

The point of donations and voting should be to support the political party that most closely represents your political views and interests. This becomes corruption when the "donations" either are directed to the personal account of the politician involved or are contingent on the recipient party or individual modifying his/its activities or policies to be compliant with the demands of the "donor".

Essentially, the determination of corruption is the direction of the arrow of causality. Do the donations follow the policies, or do the policies follow the donations. That liberal principles give birth to policies focusing on free trade and investment are far more china friendly than Labor's protectionist policies is significant motivation for Chinese donations in a manner that is not corrupt. However, Dastardly's anti Australian/ pro china actions following personal cash donations is as close to direct corruption that can be found.

In short, to make accusations of corruption, you need to show that the corrupt person or party modified their behaviour because of donations, without this the fevered bleating that donations were given is pointless.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 11 December 2017 11:01:48 AM
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Shadow Minister,

The three links given give enough reasons for
questions to be asked of many of our politicians and
their connections with Chinese donors. The
connections as we can see are deeper than just picking
on only select members of opposing parties. Quite a few
politicians have questions that need answering as ASIO
can testify.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 11 December 2017 1:10:27 PM
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