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America; too many guns - far too many massacres: What can they do about it?

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"It would take someone like Trump to do something about the everyday gun violence in the US"

What about Obama? Obama failed to do anything about the already known contributors to African-American homicide and other violence, which is by far the highest in incidence. There is reluctance to discuss their disproportionate representation in crime statistics and the known socioeconomic causes of crime in general, which are consistent world-wide.

ttbn, "We have enough to worry about in our own country without getting involved in foreign countries"

You are probably referring to Australia's world record for highest energy prices. But you could easily be talking about levels of household debt. Or the unsustainable mass immigration Ponzi scheme. Or maybe ex- and present politicians selling out Australia. What about ex-PMs spending up on travel?

Yes there are many things to talk about but there is plenty of reluctance to do that. Instead we have instant experts like the woeful Waleed Ali lecturing and patronising the United States.

Now it just so happens that some here do hang from Waleed's lips. And maybe they are up for something to kick around now that their ride on SSM is nigh over. The SSM, that has (pre-)occupied the 'Progressives' for years. So much so that they have not been at all concerned with 'Struggle Towns' or Australia becoming one of the World's highest uses of illicit drugs -which is where the guns come in, quite literally too!
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 7 October 2017 5:13:30 PM
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Gun control in the US would have no effect on the main killer, the illegal drug industry. The product is mostly imported despite law enforcement attempts to stop it, most the weapons they want are brought in the same way. Gun control would simply make illegal gun dealing more profitable.

It would have no effect on this killer, either. A wealthy person, wanting a large armoury would acquire it as easily as drug addicts currently acquire their drugs.

It may have some effect on accidents with legal guns, & may reduce the disturbed schoolboy type shootings. So of course would the locking up of those with mental illness, & those showing any sign of such problems.

It is the same do gooders that have pushed for those with mental illness to be let loose on the street, & caused much of the problem that mow want gun control. Accident or cunning plan? You will decide this on your ideology of course.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 7 October 2017 5:27:00 PM
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leoj,

Yes. All of those things and more.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 7 October 2017 5:30:36 PM
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Hi there LEOJ, STEELEREDUX, & TTBN...

You are of course right LEOJ when you say the Internet is full of data and recipes on how best we can hurt and kill each other, by spending a few bucks at the local Hardware Store. And it's not at all hard to fashion a shotgun out of piping. In fact I possess one such weapon made at Parramatta Gaol in the early 1980's for the purpose of an escape. Fortunately prison authorities were informed, and the potential escapees were 'given up' by a another inmate, and the whole escape attempt fell on it's face? NSW Corrective Services kindly donated this 'shotgun' device, for the purpose of demonstrating to police recruits, an illicit weapon, made by inmates in a maximum security gaol in NSW.

Why do these 'Internet Sites' allow such data to be placed on their Sites, has me completely puzzled, when clearly it's only legitimate use would be for some criminal enterprise?

I couldn't agree with you more STEELEREDUX; it must be a steady as she goes, with a firm, even hand on the helm at this moment, For any sign of the Government being panicked, into limiting or restricting guns, or their 'bump' assessors in America, may be disastrous. Moreover, one injudicious hand, could well prove the political downfall of any President during these troubled and anxious times? Does 'the Donald' TRUMP have the necessary charisma and personal sway among his Republican mates; we'll see?

TTBN, I agree with you, we do have many insoluble problems here in Oz without exacerbating and augmenting them, with those of the United States? But we should all bear in mind some watch and copy many of the trends that emerge from over there, especially weapons of all types.
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 7 October 2017 5:52:57 PM
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The solution is quite simple, have a binding referendum of the American voters on changing the Constitution ref. reversing the Second Amendment.
Then abide by the democratic decision.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 7 October 2017 6:21:30 PM
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o sung wu,

I see this as the major concern, that Australia is in the top 28 of HIGH drug use countries.

Just check from the link below, the countries that you might expect would have drug abuse far higher than Australia but in fact Australia now leads them by a long shot. And that is before the 'diversity' tail that swings the immigration policy dog allows the feared South American drug cartels to set themselves up here. The Russian Mafia is already established.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/drug-use/by-country/

Federal politicians and bureaucrats are blind to the problems that mass immigration and putting 'diversity' first have brought to Europe, to the UK for instance.
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 7 October 2017 6:32:28 PM
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