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Minor's Firearm Permits at 10 years of age.

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"There was a total of 111 road deaths during the month of June 2017. In comparison to the average for June over the previous five years, the current figure is 14.2 per cent higher"
https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/road_deaths_australia_monthly_bulletins.aspx

There is no indication as to how many were murders, manslaughters, suicides or just plain old bad driving.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 11 August 2017 5:43:35 PM
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Suicides.

We are often told that the Howard Flaws have resulted in less suicides, however:

"Statistics on Suicide in Australia
Suicide remains the leading cause of death for Australians aged between 15 and 44.

DEATHS BY SUICIDE

The overall suicide rate in 2015 was 12.6 per 100,000 in Australia. This is the highest rate in 10-plus years
The most recent Australian data (ABS, Causes of Death, 2015) reports deaths due to suicide in 2015 at 3,027
This equates to more than eight deaths by suicide in Australia each day
Deaths by suicide in Australia occur among males at a rate three times greater than that for females. However, during the past decade, there has been an increase in suicide deaths by females
The suicide rate amongst Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples is more than double the national rate. In 2015, suicide accounted for 5.2% of all Indigenous deaths compared to 1.8% for non-Indigenous people

SUICIDE ATTEMPTS
For every death by suicide, it is estimated that as many as 30 people attempt to end their lives
That is approximately 65,300 suicide attempts each year"

Lifeline Australia.
https://www.lifeline.org.au/about-lifeline/lifeline-information/statistics-on-suicide-in-australia
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 11 August 2017 5:58:17 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

Son you really are a gift that keeps on giving.

Your quote came from this report;

http://www.acic.gov.au/sites/g/files/net1491/f/2016/10/illicit_firearms_in_australia_0.pdf?v=1477016769

It talks about the greatest percentage of guns entering the criminal market coming the Grey Market.

“Most grey-market firearms are unlikely to be held for the purpose of committing violent offences; however, these firearms are unlikely to be reported as stolen if theft occurs by criminals. Motivated criminals are more likely to be interested in using unregistered firearms, as they are unlikely to be traceable by law enforcement agencies. Many members of the community still possess grey-market firearms because they did not surrender these during the 1996–97 gun buyback. Many firearm owners chose at that time to maintain possession (albeit illegally) during the implementation of the National Firearms Agreement. The ACIC has received reports of thefts where both registered and unregistered firearms were stolen; to avoid adverse police attention, the victim reported only the theft of the registered firearms. It was during the recovery of the registered firearms that police discovered the existence of the unregistered and unreported stolen firearms.”

You yourself have intimated that you may not have handed all your weapons in.

And guess what, the report says theft is responsible for 850% more weapons being diverted into the hands of criminals than illegal imports. In fact manufactured weapons were 80% higher a diversionary source than imports as well.

“illegal importation accounts for a comparatively small percentage of illicit firearms in the Australia market. Of all firearms traced by the FTP in 2015–16, only 1 per cent were identified as illegally imported.”

So as more and more Australians get their hands on more weapons the access for criminals keeps expanding, 6000 over the last two years from your so called sport.

Again it is the likes of yourself who are greasing the wheels for this to happen, delivering guns to our criminal class.

We need tighter not looser regulation, and greater penalties for those who harbour Grey Market weapons as well as substantive sanctions for those who fail to keep them from theft.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 11 August 2017 7:14:14 PM
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Steele,

What I could find in the report said,
"The ACIC’s FTP has found that theft is the primary contemporary diversion method.
Theft accounts for the diversion of 8.5 per cent of firearms traced in 2015–16. While it is likely some of these stolen firearms come into the possession of organised crime groups, the total number is unknown."

" You yourself have intimated that you may not have handed all your weapons in"

Just where did I do that?

In fact, I handed in every bit of junk that I could get good Government dollars for and I registered all the rest.
I thought that the Buyback was a gift from heaven, stuff that wouldn't have sold for $100 was suddenly worth $250. etc.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 11 August 2017 7:50:20 PM
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Leoj, you might be able to put the frightners on the other old folks down at your retirement village by banging oh about the need for self protection. Convincing the elderly that they should sleep with a loaded gun under their pillow or some such nonsense. When you are devoid of facts you simply invent something, example; "The people turning them (guns) in are ordinary honest citizens and many, are likely to be pensioners and people on low or fixed incomes." Pure speculation.

I could say, if the gun amnesty had been in place, police officer Brett Forte may not have needlessly lost his life when gunned down in Queensland. The perpetrator may have handed his illegal weapon into authorities.

Even the most rabid gunnies like Issy's Shooters and Hooters Party, and Leoj's One Nation recognize the need for some controls, ever if most of their gun policies are wishy washy nonsense, they do understand there are inherent dangers with guns in private hands, and controls are necessary.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 11 August 2017 8:33:31 PM
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SteelRedux,

The world of 'could' and 'might'.

They admit that they are pulling numbers out of the air. The 'report' can be summed up in three words, 'Um, don't know'.

Add to that, 'However we are public bureaucrats who like to empire build so here is some highly speculative gossip to be going with'.

BTW, are those Middle Eastern bikie gangs mentioned anywhere? LOL
Posted by leoj, Friday, 11 August 2017 8:36:06 PM
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