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Minor's Firearm Permits at 10 years of age.

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Paul,

Ref. the number of illegal firearms:

"Based on available data, the ACIC conservatively estimates there are 260,000 firearms
(250,000 longarms and 10,000 handguns) in the domestic illicit market. This estimate is
based on a range of intelligence sources, including firearm importation figures and seizure
trends over time."

That's 40+ to 1 currently handed in,

BIG DEAL!!
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 11 August 2017 2:18:10 PM
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Hi there IS MISE...

With respect it is a 'big deal' if you're one of the poor bloody coppers who's got to confront one of these illegal F/A's that's been smuggled, into the Country by these evil Bikie gangs. Unlike criminals, police actually have to 'confront' a potential assailent, rather than set up an ambush like many from the underworld engage in!

A question for you if I may? Anybody apprehended for committing a criminal act, if armed with a F/A, would you support an additional sentence being added to the original penalty, to be served cumulatively, to that original sentence. Like some jurisdictions have, in the US?

A simple example - Burglary; offender gets 5 years, eligible to be out in 2 years with all the maximum remissions etc. However, if he's armed, he receives an automatic 10 years (mandatory) on top of the 2 years he must serve, making it a 12 year lagging, minimum! I reckon the public would support such a decisive sentence, for those who choose to menace others while armed.
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 11 August 2017 2:57:28 PM
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The gun registry is a white elephant, expensive and useless, trying to create a role for itself. There is no way that offenders are going to be registering their tools of trade and the tools and even if they could, their own lack of a licence stymies that (not that they care).

The 'gangsta guns' valued by drug gangs and other criminals are mainly plastic with few bits that can show on the detection devices. Post and container get them what they want. As a recent incident appeared to show, other much more nasty products come in the same way, or though other means.

'Gun control' doesn't lay a glove on criminals. It aimed exclusively at disarming legally licensed citizens.

Howard's bureaucratic paper-chase, white elephant registry (that doesn't list criminals' toys) and police monitoring ordinary citizens who have already passed stringent tests and paid for licences, don't lay a glove on criminals either. But it sure does take trained police away from collaring those drug gangs who just so happen to have the illegal guns and are using them.

It is a joke, a 'Catch 22', but the frauds of 'gun culture' and 'gun control' worked fine for some cynical politicians I guess. Made John Howard and others look like they actually did something with that cool $1 billion or so taxpayers dollars they wasted.
Posted by leoj, Friday, 11 August 2017 2:59:16 PM
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o sung wu,

I would indeed support a mandatory 10 years cumulative for being armed in the commission of a crime.

In fact, the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party have tried to bring this in a few times but they could never get sufficient support in the NSW Upper House, the Greens have always opposed it.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 11 August 2017 4:25:56 PM
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Good to know IS MISE we're on the same page then! So what we've got here is another legislative log-jam, caused wholly by our morally corrupt politicians. And yet we're silly enough to vote them in, time after time after bloody time! God help us. I wonder what might happen if we asked a couple of our political masters how we should confront armed and dangerous criminals, knowing that all they'll probably get if convicted, is a slap on the proverbial wrist?
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 11 August 2017 4:58:57 PM
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Is Mise, o sung wu

While I don't disagree with the policies of the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party, they seem sensible, practical and decent, I say that it is completely unreasonable and unfair to expect the licensed public to shoulder responsibility, to feel obliged to come up with solutions, for the acts of criminals.

What offenders do is irrelevant to them, except to be concerned and alarmed, to seek help and protection as ordinary citizens, much like any another person. And like any other person they should not be expected to solve what authorities obviously struggle with. Most usually that would be to collar and convict the criminal gangs involved in drugs and standover and to deter any new ones who would step into the vacuum created.

No-one tries to make good drivers, points-free drivers, the ones who are constantly doing the right thing and displaying courtesy as well, responsible for the antisocial and at times criminal behaviour of louts and other selfish, uncaring SOBs. That would be easily spotted as silly and misdirected.

Similarly it is manipulative and grossly unfair, wrong, to try to blame-shift fault for gun crime onto the ordinary law-abiding public who are doing the right thing. Yet that is exactly what Soros' 'gun control' does, while disregarding the real offenders. It is political deception, fraud.

John Howard is disrespected, abhorred, as the 'Lying Rodent' for damn good reasons.
Posted by leoj, Friday, 11 August 2017 5:14:02 PM
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