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Minor's Firearm Permits at 10 years of age.

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'Gun control' is NOT the regulation of firearms ownership and use. It is anything but that. It is the direct opposite.

Its goal is complete bans, Big Brother State confiscation of lawful property or ordinary law-abiding citizens. The disarming of the responsible, licensed citizens is the invention of billionaire international currency trader George Soros and his hugely wealthy overseas mates.

These foreign 'entrepreneurs' (sic, more modern day bushwackers, raiders, ruthless manipulators and plunderers) resent the separate sovereignty of nations because they find the laws hamper them (as the laws should, against inside trading for example, think France's regulators V George Soros). That is also why Soros promotes 'open borders' and flooding Europe and countries like Australia with economic migrants - to destroy the public consensus, disrupt government and dissolve borders.

The leftists, the International Socialists and lunar Greens want 'Open Borders' too and they would sell Australia down the drain, making Australia submissive to a 'One World Government', run by the International Socialists of course. Ex-Greens leader Bob Brown is on record putting himself up as the first President of the One World Government.
Posted by leoj, Friday, 11 August 2017 10:16:47 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

Bloody hell mate you can be an uncaring bastard.

So what would you say to Shirin Molnar who blames the loosening of gun laws for her husband's death? Or to the families of the three people who took their lives at the same bloody shooting range?

Nothing to see here? No problem at all? No need for tighter regulation? Nothing!

What do you say to the family of Vincent Fernando whose mentally ill daughter was allowed to become a member of a pistol club, loaned a weapon and then managed to walk out of the premises with the pistol and 30 rounds of ammunition to return home and shoot her father multiple times?
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/gun-death-triggers-battle-to-close-pistol-club-and-limit-access-to-weapons-20110121-19zzw.html

Tough titties? Not my problem? I demand my rights to be a dangerous ideologue intent on weakening reasonable gun laws and to not give a damn who loses their life as a consequence?

Shame!
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 11 August 2017 10:46:00 AM
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"A woman who killed her three youngest children by deliberately driving her car into a lake, in what a Supreme Court judge described as a "horrendous crime", has been jailed for 26 years and six months".
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/lake-killer-mum-akon-guode-jailed-for-20-years-20170530-gwg23z.html

Car control - Ban Cars.

Citing the few instances as 'proof'(sic), while disregarding the many thousands, millions, of ordinary licensed, law-abiding citizens going about their daily business without a problem, is an example of a common cognitive error (availability error).
Posted by leoj, Friday, 11 August 2017 11:01:30 AM
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Paul,

"Issy, you claimed the Federal government's national gun amnesty would be ineffective, numbers speak for themselves, with more than 6400 firearms handed to police in NSW by gun crazies already, and growing daily"

Numbers do speak for themselves and 6,400 is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of illegal firearms said, by Government, to be in the country.

It will be interesting to see a breakdown of the types and condition of the guns handed in.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 11 August 2017 11:05:40 AM
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It is incorrect, deliberately misleading (because they know better) for police commissioners and politicians to claim as they do, that any firearm or part of same passed in is an 'illegal gun' that could have done harm. Most are ages old and were stored safely. Obviously only ever used lawfully and safely too or else the headlines would be blaring the fact, but never do. Doesn't anyone think any more? The public need good operating BS detectors where the 'meeja', pollies and the talking heads on The Box are concerned.

In fact very few surrendered firearms would be illegal and almost all are legal, but unregistered. The paperwork is not done and the taxes paid.

The people turning them in are ordinary honest citizens and many, are likely to be pensioners and people on low or fixed incomes, would be in the very unfair position of not being able to sustain their ownership and recreation/competition and club membership because of costs.

Others find the monstrous, unnecessary paper-shuffling bureaucratese of the licensing approval and registration a little beyond them. Again that is unfair to the many members of the public who do not find government paperwork easy.

But think a bit too, would any offender be turning in his tools of trade? Hell no, offenders are in the business of breaking laws and they laugh at politicians' and police commissioners' photo opportunities where often toys, Airsoft, defunct inoperative bits and pieces (numbers matter!) and so on are represented and reported as 'threats' taken away.

Bollocks! What about chasing the criminals, the OMGs, dealing drugs and shooting one another up over disputed territory! Now that is where illegal guns and illegal use can be found. Of no interest to 'gun control' and the Greens though. Not to Labor either for some reason, eh, Qld Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk? She who along with Greens buried the successful anti-Bikie VLAD laws.
Posted by leoj, Friday, 11 August 2017 11:31:43 AM
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Hi there JAYB...

Firstly, why would one choose to willingly jump out of a perfectly serviceable aircraft, may I ask?

Secondly, your suggestion of an amended criteria for individuals who wish to participate in a shooting sport at a Range is pretty sound I reckon. Perhaps your points illustrated at numbers 7 to 10 may be quite difficult to introduce, both from a fiscal and logistical point of view, it may be too cost prohibitive, from maintaining such a facility, and the labour need thereat, I should think?

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Increasing the number of shooting ranges won't have a great deal of impact on the suicide rate I suspect. Anyone intent on suicide by a gun will do it anywhere he may choose to do so. I had a job, where a twenty year old, put his Dad's cheap Boito single barrel 12g. in his mouth, while sitting on the toilet seat, in the ensuite toilet and did the deed. Strangely, after we went the Coroner's route, as was the procedure, I then sought permission from the Coroner to dispose of the gun/property. It was given into the care, custody and control of the Commissioner of Police, a normal direction from Coroners.

Anyway, a month or so later, the father of the victim, made contact and wanted to have the gun returned to him, as it was his (rightful) property. I was amazed, I really was. This Boito is a cheaply made, Southern American 'Shotty you could buy new for less than $100, in those days. And yet here we had the Dad of this young suicide victim, wishing to have the very gun his son used to knock himself, returned to him? Personally I'd never wish to see the thing again, even if it was a rare Purdy double drilling or something?
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 11 August 2017 1:23:26 PM
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