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What is happening with youth?

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Acid attacks in the UK, 400 in SIX months!

http://www.rt.com/uk/398424-acid-attacks-doctor-advice/

First things first, lets avoid any mention here of the chemical or alternatives that might exist.

Add the 'bottlings', beer glassings and other cowardly, thuggish behaviour that is still be going on, but may not be sensational enough for the media to report ATM.

The criminal laws are more than adequate, always were, as far as coverage is concerned.

The easy 'Go To' of politicians - bans and more redundant laws - do not address the problem. The offenders should not be able to rely on claimed poor upbringing or any other alleged fault of society.
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:55:50 AM
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What is happening with youth?

I can only tell you about what is happening in
the suburb in which I live. Our local Council
has identified that there is no mental health
programs for young people in our area. So they
have recently announced that the Council is
working with "Headspace" to bring a dedicated
program to our city.

Therefore the 2017 Mayoral Community Ball, on
Friday 13 October will be dedicated to raising
money to get the program here.

"Headspace" is the National Youth Mental Health
Foundation providing early intervention mental
health services to 12 - 25 year olds. The service
is designed to make it as easy as possible for a
young person and their family to get the help they
need for problems affecting their wellbeing.

This covers four core areas, mental health,
physical health, work and study support, and alcohol
and other drug services.

Mental health is a real and growing issue. I am glad
that at least our Council has made a start to help
make a difference in this space in our community.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 August 2017 1:22:07 PM
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The media are doing their best(sic) to educate possible offenders on what to best use and how, by naming the common substance and showing containers. Even showing perpetrators committing the act. They leave nothing to the imagination, a 'how to'.

Maybe the first issue is what to do about the scurrilous media outlets that do that?
They are adding to, multiplying, perhaps even creating, a problem.
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 5 August 2017 2:23:27 PM
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yep we certainly should of funded mental health better knowing that secularism would lead to much more suicide, perversion, hatred, drug taking, selfishness. It is obvious that mental health is largely caused by the trashing of morals mainly by those with none.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 5 August 2017 9:48:35 PM
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Hi there LEOJ...

An interesting topic, and one that I can inform you has the Local Command OIC's tearing their hair out. Over the years, both governments Labour and Liberal, have steadily 'watered down' or decriminalised many of the useful street offences that kept many of the young, potential troublemakers in line. Initially it was the old NSW Police Offences Act, that was repealed, and replaced with the NSW Summary Offences Act. also repealed. Thus removing many of the effective statutes that gave the coppers the wherewithal to keep youth away from street crime, and later more serious crime that ended in incarceration.

The NSW Police Boys Club was formed to assist troubled youth, to turn their excess energies into more productive sporting activities, wrestling, boxing (where I started my own boxing career, at the Burwood PBC, in the early 1950's) instead of giving some poor bloke on the corner, a decent kickin' or flogin', simply because they can? Is it little wonder the wallopers have to 'tip toe' around many of our troubled street youth these days?

And yes, mental illness is a large contributory factor, not only perpetuated and/or exacerbated by drugs, but by homelessness. More often than not, because they 'fail' to adhere to the rules and standards at home, (often far from being draconian) that are established by their respective parents? I've personally witnessed some ugly bashings occasioned to mothers, sister, brothers and yes fathers! By youth's of both genders.

You see the problem is (in 2017) there is virtually NO discipline: At home (when parents try to impose ordinary domestic discipline; they just walk-out and the silly govt. give em' money); at school, in society, and worst of all, the weak kneed Magistracy and 'jelly Judges' within our judiciary, who continue to award S.556a of the Crimes Act, 1900. 'Offence proven', Discharged, with no conviction recorded! When much more serious punishment is warranted.
Posted by o sung wu, Sunday, 6 August 2017 2:23:22 PM
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It's all down to poor parenting, poor teaching and lack of discipline, topped off by a reluctance by authorities to inflict punishment on law-breakers and anti-social people. The young barely know right from wrong these days.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 6 August 2017 2:44:04 PM
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I couldn't of summed it up better myself TTBN, everything you've stated herein is absolutely spot on. That's clearly the problem - what then can be done about it? Forget the politicians, all they are capable of doing, is shoveling societies human detritus, nothing else.
Posted by o sung wu, Sunday, 6 August 2017 5:11:35 PM
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What I find surprising is that in the UK authorities are implying that the corrosive fluid attacks in the UK may be gang related,

"In the UK, the majority of victims are men, and many of these attacks are related to gang violence"

Which would go against the world experience of it as most usually a gender crime against women. Although in the UK women would be under-reporting too through cultural reasons including fear and shame. That and it is not known what 'majority' expresses in the UK apart from 'more than'.

Perhaps there are other numbers available, this is from Wikipedia,

<Epidemiology
According to researchers and activists, countries typically associated with acid assault include Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, China, United Kingdom, Kenya, South Africa, Uganda, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Ethiopia. However, acid attacks have been reported in countries around the world.. But South Asian countries maintain the highest incidence of acid attacks.

Police in the United Kingdom have noted that many victims are afraid to come forward to report attacks, meaning the true scale of the problem may be unknown.

Gender
An accurate estimate of the gender ratio of victims and perpetrators is difficult to establish because many acid attacks are not reported or recorded by authorities. According to a 2010 study in The Lancet, there are "no reliable statistics" on the prevalence of acid attacks in Pakistan.

.. However, according to the London-based charity Acid Survivors Trust International 60 percent of acid attacks are on women, and acid assaults are grossly under-estimated. In some regions, assaults perpetrated on female victims by males are often driven by the mentality "If I can't have you, no one shall.">
Posted by leoj, Sunday, 6 August 2017 5:49:58 PM
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ttbn & o sung wu,

Are we missing something here?

Is it possible to rule out the importation of toxic cultural traditions into the UK? Either way, as a gender crime (always more likely) and as a tool of criminals, it does seem to have been of very longstanding persistence in cultures with a 'history' where women are concerned.
Posted by leoj, Sunday, 6 August 2017 6:02:48 PM
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It's taken the cultural Marxists 50 years to drag society down to what it is now. The same cultural Marxists are still in charge, so there is little chance of change any time soon.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 6 August 2017 6:35:17 PM
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In Pakistan and in other moslem countries it seems to be an honor crime.
It is done because the woman refuses a marriage proposal from another
family, or has a boyfriend. If a wife leaves her husband that is another cause.
I have not seen any suggestion that in Britain it is moslem related except perhaps for Pakistanis.

It would have to be one of the worse possible crimes up there with murder.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 7 August 2017 5:01:08 PM
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The press should stop referring to them as 'honour' killings etc. There's nothing honourable about it - it's murder justified by the childish, possessive insecurities of men. As for acid attacks - i find it difficult to think of a more cruel act to perpetrate on another person. Terrible.
Posted by HereNow, Monday, 7 August 2017 5:10:30 PM
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Bazz, "I have not seen any suggestion that in Britain it is moslem related except perhaps for Pakistanis"

Have you seen this report?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/acid-attacks-victims-uk-impact-women-disproportionately-muslim-niqab-media-only-just-reporting-a7877531.html
Posted by leoj, Monday, 7 August 2017 5:36:28 PM
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No Leoj, I had not seen that article. I suspected it might be so but
if you make assumptions, even reasonable assumptions, about moslems
you can find yourself arguing with the thought police of the HRC.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 7 August 2017 6:24:06 PM
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