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Corbyn and the new delusion.

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Having an interest in British politics, I have been following the run up to the June 8 election. Having read the recent leaked labour party manifesto I thought it must a joke only to find that it was deadly serious a string of Corbynistas including senior academics singing its praises and saying how fabulous the government was in the 70s before the nasty Thatcher.

It doesn't take a genius to realise that Labour has just slipped the noose around its own neck and issued the UK its suicide note, as anyone that remembers the 70s with the near bankruptcy of the UK, the strikes and generally miserable service would struggle find any match with the utopian Image that Corbyn is trying to paint.

Before this suicide note, labour was tipped to lose 50 seats leaving it with about 27% of the seats and the manifesto is just going to make it worse. The question will be whether Corbyn will survive or his rabid supporters will blame the media and keep him on.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 14 May 2017 6:51:16 PM
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Hi SM,

Yes, I agree that Corbynism could obliterate the Labour party in Britain. It's interesting how an ideology can become a religion, none of whose basic principles can ever be questioned, and which assumes that none of the conditions which gave rise to it have changed.

So the working class is still seen as huge, united, and - crazy as it sounds to outsiders - very large in mining and manufacturing, as if that's the way it's always going to be. As Marx and Engels described the economic and political scene inthe1840s, that's the way it's always going to be.

Here in Australia, the numbers of workers in manufacturing reached a peak in about 1966 and are a fraction now of what they were. In fact, what looks like manufacturing when you drive around an Australian city is more likely to be assembly of imported parts, transport and warehousing. Only 10 % of Australian workers are in unions - i.e. 10 % of a much reduced number since 1966.

But believers are oblivious to all that. I'm afraid to bring up the topic of Corbyn-type policies with some relatives, given that they have always embraced 'socialism' with the unquestioning and unreflective fervour and - dare I say it - faith, of religious zealots.

Perhaps that's one reason why the pseudo-Left here are so soft on Islamist extremism - because they recognise and respect its crack-pot zealotry, as fellow zealots, even if Marxism and Wahhabism don't quite mesh. Well, except for their common totalitarian 'Utopianism' of course.

That's enough to get some people going :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 15 May 2017 10:21:27 AM
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SM,
Why the hell would you be interested in UK politics and especially the rantings of Corbyn?

Can't you find enough problems with the LNP to fill your time or have you given up on them too, as I have. I could not believe they would elect Turnbull to lead anything.

For Gods sake, try and find some in the LNP that have some practicality and retain some common sense. We will be like Greece if we have to endure another term of Labor.

Think of the future for your own grandkids, it is not looking good at the present.
Posted by Banjo, Monday, 15 May 2017 10:42:10 AM
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Banjo,

We are all disappointed in the capitualation in the new budget, but as discussed by Abbott:

"Tony Abbott has blamed the Senate for the fact the budget is a “spending”, rather than a “savings” budget, backing the Coalition’s banking levy as a necessary measure and the budget as “the best that the government can do” under current circumstances."

I find British politics interesting as the analogue of Aus politics without the obstructive Senate.

Just look at Corbyn's fiscal incompetence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/14/jeremy-corbyn-facing-questions-funding-black-hole-unveiling/
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 15 May 2017 12:54:16 PM
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It appears that Jeremy Corbyn's credentials as a
leader rather than the party's policy platform
according to The Guardian newspaper remains the
biggest challenge to address between now and
June 8th.

The following links may be of interest:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/13/scary-jeremy-corbyn-not-radical-at-all-labour-manifesto

And -

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/12/labour-party-voters-polls-policies-manifesto-jeremy-corbyn
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 15 May 2017 4:20:54 PM
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Foxy,

The Guardian is by far the most left whinge newspaper in the UK and makes the failing Fairfax papers look conservative.

While the manifesto may be popular amongst the young with promises of everything for free, and taxes only on the rich, the majority of Britons realise that it simply doesn't add up.

The conservative austerity reforms, while unpopular have led to a UK recovery that outstripped the rest of the EU, and most of the world.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 5:23:55 AM
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