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No to abortion in NSW

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A proposal by Green MP Mehreen Faruqi in the NSW parliament to decriminalise abortion has been voted down 25 to 14.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 12 May 2017 11:22:44 AM
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Thank God this murderous Bill has been voted down. It allowed killing the baby even during delivery. Still a large part of our society have no moral conscience.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 12 May 2017 1:34:53 PM
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No, no, ttbn. Donít trouble yourself. Iíve got itÖ

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/decriminalise-abortion-debate-set-for-nsw/news-story/1373a3c732baaaff86a522e995d72ba5

(Google the actual link and click on it in the results to get around the paywall if you hit it.)

Apparently there were pro-choice members of the NSW parliament who only voted it down because they were concerned that the went bill too far in some respects.

Either way, the current laws are absurd and are completely out-of-step with public opinion. A maximum of 10 years in prison is archaic and just downright bizarre in the 21st century. It's just as well these laws, like most archaic laws, are not observed or enforced.

Sure, there are ways around the laws, but they are open to the interpretation of judges and some abortions may not withstand legal scrutiny. The methods of circumvention are also of little use to poor and disadvantaged women.

Iíd like to see the actual bill, though. Josephusís claim seems a little far-fetched. Either that or heís omitting important caveats.
Posted by AJ Philips, Friday, 12 May 2017 2:16:31 PM
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http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/bills/Pages/bill-details.aspx?pk=2919
Posted by leoj, Friday, 12 May 2017 4:23:25 PM
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The Bill put forward by Dr. Mahreen Farqui is similar to a Bill rejected in QLD in February. It, "would allow the killing of an unborn baby for any reason, by any method, at any stage of pregnancy up until term, including during labour."

Similarly there would not be any criminal charges laid for such an abortion. However any person objecting to the abortion or offering alternate procedure; could be criminally charged if found within proximity to the abortion clinic.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 13 May 2017 1:27:39 PM
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Josephus,

After reading the proposed changes (thanks for the link, leoj), I could see how the scenario you it put forth would technically be possible. It was foolish for this Mahreen Farqui to not replace Division 12 with at least some provisions protecting late term foetuses in at least a limited number of circumstances.

<<However any person objecting to the abortion or offering alternate procedure; could be criminally charged if found within proximity to the abortion clinic.>>

Thatís fair enough. No one has the right to harass or shame a person for exercising their right to bodily autonomy. Especially when they are likely already in an emotionally fragile state. There is a time and a place for everything, and within proximity of an abortion clinic is never the place for busybody nutjobs, who think that foetuses should have more rights than people who have already been born, to be harassing women.

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My local State MP is a member of the Palaszczuk government. Heís been boasting on Facebook about his governmentís achievement in finally repealing the Ďgay panicí defence (How the hell did that take so long?). I think Iíll query him about what his government intends to do to bring Queenslandís abortion laws into the 21st century. The current setup is reprehensible and indefensible.
Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 13 May 2017 2:46:43 PM
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