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Foxy,
I read the article on Trump the seducer.
His supporters are not seduced they are very well aware of the salesman
and misogynist that Trump is.

They voted for him anyway because they understand clearly how the left wing
Lot like Hilary Clinton for example, have stuffed up America, Europe and Australia.

They know that although Trump is a risk, it's 5minutes to midnight when it
Comes to the co- lapse of the West because of the crazy utopian policies
Of the left and academics. These people still espouse the same ideas
And can't see that what's wrong with their countries is their own doing.
So this article about Trumps seduction of voters is an attempt to say his supporters
can't think for themselves and he has seduced them and the people who
Oppose him are really the ones who have the right ideas.

Sorry, but it is the Obama, Hilary supporters who have bought the West to its knees
with their delusional ideas that they can engineer society into some utopian love and peace global village. Time to take off the blinkers and see, the massive failure this has become. In the military and economic sense. The whole experiment has been
A disaster.
The Trump supporters are the ones able to see this clearly.
Donald Trump may yet prove to be unworthy or unable to do the things that need to be done to reverse the situation in time but he was the only one who offered any alternative to the current mess. His supporters know he may not deliver but he was the only choice
to the hippie la la land brainwashed by ideology academics, and socialist, capitalist,
haters. Believe me Indont like the capitalists either, but I don't see the point of
taking the whole of western society down and handing it to an enemy, like Julian Assange for one seems to want to do. People who voted for Trump are sick of His type.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 11 March 2017 8:53:18 PM
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I tend to agree with you Cherful. Well thought out.
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 11 March 2017 9:40:34 PM
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well said cheerful.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 11 March 2017 10:59:56 PM
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The Democrats were thrown out. From their record the Democrats deserved to lose. That was the assessment of voters.

Trump could not have arisen as an alternative without the public, the electorate, previously deciding that the Democrats had been coming up short, they failed, and change was needed

Obama and the Democrats are in denial. Clinton was always fighting a losing battle, but she had contributed to the mess and knew she was bluffing it.
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 11 March 2017 11:28:31 PM
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Hi Cherful,

The old leftie in me would have held his nose and voted for Clinton last year, but in many ways, is it possible that Clinton and Trump are opposite sides of the same coin ?

They each pandered to sections of the US public, each in his/her own way a proponent of different forms of identity politics, to different groups: each ignored, neglected or denigrated whole sections of the American population: Clinton the working-class base of the Democrats, Trump of course 'Mexicans' (i.e. all Latin Americans) and Muslims (i.e. all Muslims). Each split the nation.

Internationally, Obama followed and/or engineered what was probably the most sensible paths in incredibly difficult situations, Syria, Afghanistan and eastern Europe. What Six-gun Trump might do in the case of the first do is anybody's guess, although we have an idea of what he is doing in his dealings with Putin.

I agree that any push for all-out socialism is manifestly ridiculous, given its history, but that capitalism has enormous defects as well. Perhaps in the next four years, there will be a lot of searching for alternatives to both, or at least a way of ameliorating the faults of each. I'm inclined towards Karl Popper's notion - it must seem so wimpy to both sides - of 'incremental amelioration', where it is possible - and, in my view, extreme caution where it is not.

Again, both sides, Clinton and Trump, would prefer 'bold' moves to transform American society and the world. But it's an incredibly complex and fraught world at the moment, with shaky alliances and entire regions of hot-spots, so 'bold' moves, in so many situations, can lead to disaster these days. It seems like one of those times when nobody in their right mind would try to predict the future, not accurately anyway.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 12 March 2017 8:02:00 AM
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Dear CHERFUL,

Voting is not compulsory in the US. Many people did
not vote. Also Trump did not win the popular vote.
Which means that more people voted for Clinton than
they did for Trump. The electorate process needs reform.

Whether Trump survives we'll have to wait and see.
One thing's for sure - Most Americans are embarrassed
by him. His behaviour is not that of a leader of a
prominent nation but that of a host of a TV show.
But then Americans have had their George W. Bush's,
Richard Nixons, and others. So I guess that Congress
and the Courts will be able to ride this one out for as
long as he lasts.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 12 March 2017 9:13:41 AM
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