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Sustainable Government and Work for the Dole 2.0

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People believing in a magical god, I formulate an opinion that school education's forcing young children to write and spell words, left children's desires for purpose easily influenced by simple short duration repetitive word preaching religions during mental stress reduced days of rest, Sundays. For the same reason many people love sports because sports are more expressive ADHD behaviours and sports are not played or mentioned in mental stressing classrooms. Sports often played and or watched during relaxing primary school lunch time breaks, sports becomes a much love subconscious desirable stimulating pass time.
Somehow listening to journalists statements single word concepts of government in progress turns on people's limited short attention spans.
Posted by steve101, Monday, 11 July 2016 1:20:16 PM
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Capitalist industrial age growth may have worked during the 1800s years: building rail roads; coal mining; cotton mill building; industrial expansionism. As investors wealth builds, a speculative bubble draws money into buying price booming ever increasing numbers of company share certificates. Bubbles bust taking investors money. Long recession/depression periods blamed on lost investment moneys and accumulated debts. That is the capitalism Carl Marx criticised in that busts always result from booms. Hints that Carl Marx was financed by capitalists, that Marx was working for capitalism. His book writings printed by capitalist printing presses. My argument being that after many market busts, Carl Marx was convincing probable future sceptics preaching capitalism was faked market manipulated to show boom share prices, drawing investors money into buying more shares to end in share price busts, resulting in long depression and recession periods. Leaving knowledgeable people in the know to what was happening, selling company shares at the top of the market boomed up price.
Even though this faked market speculation theory exists, few people want to read similar ideas because such ideas conflict with feeling good about understanding capitalism in a positive delusional investment future.
The idea of living a life of going to work 5 days a week month after month, coming home to a rented building, void of a religious promised afterlife, having no dream to become wealthy. My capitalism governed by fake democracies is undesirable to most people when most people are trying to reward spare moments using delusional thoughts of moving forward towards an ultimate goal.

To make clear of the above post: capitalism doesn't work; communism works; something in between works; people in the know, enjoy living the life capitalism would have supplied, while I say invented bank credits gives people the socialist life most people feel they deserve. People managing to save wealth, religions end of time predictions starts the process over.
Posted by steve101, Monday, 11 July 2016 1:30:43 PM
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Despite all the rhetoric, Work for the Dole turned out to be a failure.

Statistically it did not provide better employment prospects for participants and in most cases proved disadvantageous.

Research as early as 2004 at Melbourne University found that “there appear to be quite large adverse effects of participation in [work for the dole]”. Those who were not in the program generally found it easier to find active employment.

This is the latest from rural areas -
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-08/remote-work-for-dole-program-a-failure-academic-says/7492004

It was always intended as a punitive measure to win votes for John Howard to suggest he was doing something about "Dole Bludgers" and Australians just hate to see people getting things that they don't get themselves.

Some people call it "The Tall Poppy Syndrome" but it targets short poppies too.
Posted by rache, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 10:24:29 AM
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I have ideas for this problem, but they are radical...

1. Eliminate all centrelink payments for unemployed persons and all the admin infrastructure around it, that includes of course, all job network providers. I don't have the approx figure for this sum of money being saved but it's probably around a billion or something like that?? maybe even several of them or more?? this also includes getting rid of concession or Health care card holder entitlements... after all the concessions have to paid for somewhere along the line...

2. Introduce a UBI system as outlined here > http://www.basicincome.org/basic-income/
What that UBI figure is in Australia should at least be on the official poverty line which is 50% of median income according to ACOSS.

Keep in mind that people will work for many different motivations and reasons such as social links, identity and just out of sheer interest in what they do. We will always have a very small pool of people who will opt out of work no matter what system we put in place. Like has been mentioned in previous posts on this topic here, it is a global issue.

I am about to enter into my 3rd year of doing work for the dole programs and it has not benefited me in obtaining work at all. However I will add that I am over 50 yrs of age so maybe that plays a factor in it. I don't know. My biggest problem is continuing to be severely underemployed and scrapping by on approx $536 a fortnight to support my low level of living standards.
Posted by Rojama, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:06:43 PM
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I forgot to add in my above post, that the ever increasing rate of technology is making not just low end jobs but also a serious threat to middle level jobs more a reality now than ever before.

Think about it, if a business has the option to purchase as robot or some other form of technology to "streamline" or replace outright a worker, then why would they not do it? They are in business to make money, NOT create jobs because its the "socially responsible" thing to do.

Here is an example from Foxconn in Taiwan replacing 60,000 workers with robots, and this is from a factory that makes computer circuit boards!
Posted by Rojama, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:11:21 PM
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Link to Foxconn replacing workers > http://www.techspot.com/news/64981-robots-foxconn-factory-replace-60000-employees.html
Posted by Rojama, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:12:58 PM
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