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Should we change the date of Australia Day?

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Foxy,
Even David Irving doesn't believe Albert Speer:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/05/Speer_Auschwitz.html
Elie Wiesel is an appalling liar:
http://www.henrymakow.com/translated_from_the_hungarian.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml
Viktor Frankl too:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p10_frankl.html
Primo Levi's story makes no sense and contradicts some other aspects of the orthodox Holocaust narrative:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7339

Ruth Franklin in her book "A Thousand Darknesses: Lies and Truth in Holocaust Fiction" deems Wiesel and Levi's fabrications and inconsistencies "artistic licence":
http://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/book/a-thousand-darknesses-lies-and-truth-in-holocaust-fiction
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 30 January 2015 9:10:48 PM
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Jay, you seem to be widely read on all things Nazi, and you can't give an opinion on Hitler.
What were all those concentration camps for?
Why were so many non combatant people put into those camps?
What was the 'Final Solution'?
What was the Wannsee Conference of 1942?
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 30 January 2015 10:25:10 PM
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David Irving is in no position to judge anybody.

He isn't qualified to do so.

He is not a historian.

He is an avid Holocaust denier.
He relies on hoaxes and lies, and preaches intellectual -
garbage.

I am sorry that my discussion has now been
diverted to this low level.
It is for that reason that I am now leaving it.
I have no wish to participate any further.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 30 January 2015 10:29:02 PM
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Foxy David Irving is one of the most accomplished historians working in World War 2 research, he's actually done a lot to protect the dignity of survivors and expose what Norman Finkelstein calls "Holo-Trash", his repudiation of the fake Hitler diaries in the 1980's is one example.
This is a thought provoking article:
There Went a Man
Remembering Raul Hilberg
by NORMAN FINKELSTEIN
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/08/22/remembering-raul-hilberg/

Hilberg was a fascinating figure:

Prof Raul Hilberg speaking on 22 February 22, 1983 at New York's Lincoln Center Avery Fisher Hall at a meeting organized by the Holocaust Survivors Foundation:

"WHAT began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus - mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy."
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 30 January 2015 11:08:02 PM
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Paul,
If you'd read any of the reports on the Holocaust you wouldn't need to ask me such questions.
There's no unanimous position among Holocaust scholars and there are some big questions which have not been answered.
For example, the death toll at Auschwitz was revised downward several times, from four million to just over one million, so shouldn't the official total death toll therefore also be revised downward to three million from six?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-05-07/news/9202100662_1_death-wall-auschwitz-memorials
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 30 January 2015 11:25:56 PM
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Jay, you can put up all the links you like about numbers. be it ten million or one million, or links questioning who said what and when. The inescapable fact is a regime led by a monster, Adolf Hitler, a person you have so far steadfastly avoided criticising, perpetrated one of the twentieth centuries most barbaric acts of murderous genocide. Whether that genocide took place by accident or design is of little concequence, just as the actual numbers are, numbers and facts will never be truly known, all is of little comfort to the millions which are known to have suffered and died. What is relevant is a regime, led by a monster, and aided and abetted by so many, was able to commit such atrocities in the name of a fanatical belief, National Socialism.
Today there are those who question the content of the past, for their own reasons they want to diminish what happened. These same people want to re-badge Nazism into what they perceive as a more acceptable alternative, call it what they will, but underneath, deep down, it is the same unacceptable mix of hate and intolerance which led to that great catastrophe of the twentieth century, something mankind should never want to see repeated.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 31 January 2015 2:07:39 PM
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