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Plain packaging....Labor boosts smoking rates!

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To all those that claimed that SK's 15 min google search was more reliable than the Australian, here is some more information also directly from the ABS in more detail that shows that plain packaging did not reduce smoking rates.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/06/17/1226958/034887-4199177c-f61a-11e3-9b4b-c275dbac2021.jpg

"NOT every nanny encourages her charges to take up alcohol and tobacco. But then again, not every health minister is like Nicola Roxon.

Replacing assertion for analysis, she left the country lumbered with policies that at least so far, have imposed substantial costs while doing little to improve public health. Roxon’s signature policies hardly lacked ambition. Plain packaging, she boasted, would “reduce the consumption of ­tobacco by about 6 per cent and reduce the number of smokers by 2 to 3 per cent”.

In fact, Australian Bureau of Statistics data shows tobacco consumption increased by 2.5 per cent in volume terms in the year immediately after the introduction of plain packaging."
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 5:22:34 AM
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from
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-26/chapman-show-us-the-data-on-tobacco-sales/4845010

<<>.I sifted through the..PRIOR/online budget papers for the data on tobacco tax receipts and projections. But this year, for the first time, the information was missing.

In the table..on revenue,..the data on excise receipts*
from tobacco..is buried in a line labelled.."other excisable products"..and..*customs duties*..[on tobacco imports..under "excise-like/goods".

*A footnote explains..that "tobacco estimates..are not separately reported..due to taxpayer confidentiality".

The amorphous*..excise category
shows..some $9.02 billion..in revenue,>>

THIS SEEMS CURIOUS..[SHADOWS NUMBERS/RECORD..ONLY 3 POINT 5 BILLION..[TOPS]..yet here we have 9 billion..[in revenue?]...point being if the 'revenue raised=9 Billion..sales must/be bigger..thaN 9 billion.[so im unsure why..only this years/PREDICTED-increase..is quoted

but such is/this debait/by spin../LIES
COLLUDED/VICTIMSATION]CRIMINALISATION'0PPRESSION\legislating/on\sin/proffiteering.i call it..[thanks beachie

<<>>a fall of $680m or 7 per cent from the previous year>>

in revenue..[despite a 3 billion increase in revenue
they lie i tell ya.[this is a fact\check site/biased as well..but it may have proper numbers[why isnt treasury being more respectful[read clear]..ABOUT/OUR\REVENUER-razing-GrIFTS?

<<>.,but because the other items[read..the new/nico-replacement-fads]..in that category*..were not shown,..the precise change..in dutied tobacco..cannot be seen.>>

besides/sales-numbers-reflect/volume..not amount/of\sales-revenue

<<>.The explanation here is that,..with only two companies (BATA and Philip Morris)..manufacturing tobacco products in Australia,..>>

THUS<<>.releasing the total excised amount of tobacco sold...would apparently enable both companies to calculate the tobacco product..volume/the other company\was passing through to the retail market.>>

there you go/..govt\INTERFERANCE/made two huge giants
JUST/LIKE..BIG-PHARMA-BIG-PETERO/BIG ME-DIE*SIN

PLUS/public servants..own controlling voting shares/
thus dont sue/no one./REAPING..IT/IN-BOTH ENDS.
[that in itself..reveals much/to those open to thinking.]

<<>.Similarly, with imports dominated by one company (Imperial)
which imports into Australia from its New Zealand factory,..customs data would reveal this commercially sensitive information to the other two companies...This is apparently more important than having publicly accessible data to use in evaluating Australia's pioneering tobacco control efforts.

The decision to bury the volume of tobacco entering into retail trade in Australia on this excuse is laughable for two reasons.

EDITED..[CENSORED-OUT]

<<.this white hot commercially sensitive information has not caused New Zealand to fall off the face of the earth...If New Zealand can force public disclosure of sales data,..why can't Australia?..>>

because;..[the true-fact/reveal\a far..biggger symptom]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 7:31:21 AM
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Nice bit of cherry-picking Shadow Minister.
Posted by Agronomist, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 10:07:32 AM
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If Plain Packaging is a failure and the Tobacco companies are therefore profiting, why are they so opposed to it?

The peddlers of death ought to be happy.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 10:50:45 AM
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ANY/CHERRY-picking..is only..by the term smoked

see..the new*ciggarets[..the sMokless..ones]..with..infinite-tastes..[artificial/FLAVOURS\COLOURS..ETC..[MOSTLY MORE..*CARCINOGENIC THAN CIGGIE-SMOKE]..arnt part of//.the inclusion\limitation..of smoking..*[yet]

but*..its the fastest growing fad*

and.if you looked at it..under the 'name'..of nicotine addiction [instead\of 'smoking]..ie..only one..'new'-method of 'delivery'
THEN THE NUMBERS WOULD show/.these new products fast outstripping the market..they set out to capture..[20years ago]

<<..This is a..'social experiment'..*that the Cancer=Council
has been working on for at least 13 years,.that I know of...They received funding and political support..from the Howard government, then the Rudd gov,..then Gillard gov, and will likely continue to receive funding..and support from the party that wins the next election>>

<<>.The decision..to bury the volume of tobacco.>>

COMPLETELY..IGNORES THE 'HARMFULL..NICOTEEN[ACTUAL DRUG ADDICTION

but heck how many caffeine addicts drink coffee

lol

..its repackaging..of a fast dying habbit
oldies dying..we need a gimmick for the young
liKe lolly ciggies/cause\thumb suking feels good

<<..entering into retail trade in Australia..on this excuse is>>>..easy for two reasons...money/franchise oppertuinity[with infinite smokeless 'tastes'//

malbro taste anyoneits smokeles[even uses batteries]..EVERREADY SMOKE FREE STREAM
the new money stream

thats/heaps..CANCER COUNCIL
WHO FOund the money..by b;laming all the causation s of cancer ontio smokes[at best toobaco kils 10 percent of the number 'attributable..to smoking leaves..

ha ha ha

First,..tobacco companies have long*[note]
*bought commercial shelf audit data..from the main supplier of this information in Australia,..

bying influence/directing/from\the rear

<<so they already have very detailed information>>

ditto..the cancer council[and other lobbies].feeding the cancer cure/sham

Reich harmonics.kills cancer with vibration[-WAVES
FOR FREE*..but then..we wont,..need.no more*cancer council TO fund/research..into harmoni..[not one ever]..

too clever by half

<<.>>Data on brand share...is also published.>>

reveal the gum/and the patches and the data on smokless ciggarettes

[in stead/of allowing us\to die off/the publicity..has revived the petro-pharma industry into a huge addictive payday[just like dupont stole hemp/via the same lies of science/lobby/spin..propaganDA

SAME SAME SHAME

a
LOttA- treason/malfeasonce/focus groupies
plenty/of\WORK/BUT..HUGE PAYOFFS.ALLROUND

This is a 'social experiment'
that the Cancer Council has been working on for at least 13 years,
..funding and political support from the Howard government,..then the Rudd gov,..then Gillard gov,..and,..now/phoney-toni..[sold-out/by..official malfeasance/mainly..to protect..industry/corperate-merchantilism
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 10:53:02 AM
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Agronomist,

Would you like to expand on your pointless post?

Given the 350 word limit reproducing the several articles on the topic is not possible.

What the graph drawn from ABS data conclusively shows is that while smoking rates have decreased, the reason was the increase in tax not the PPL. The increase in the 12 months directly following the implementation of the PPL is not an indicator that the PPL worked.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 11:28:45 AM
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