After the first and hopefully las Budget of the Abbott Government I think all Australians can obviously see that they were deceived in the pre election campaign! Every promise has been broken and every policy has been exposed ! That was not a fair budget, that was a nasty budget , stealing from the poor and giving to the rich ! The real pain is one sided ! And by Hockey's own admission this is only the beginning ! If you agree then call and voice your opinion to your own local Labor representative and let them know how you feel ! I am so itching for another shot at a vote are you !

Has Labor learnt that they can’t run up a huge deficit?

If they get back in power at the next election, will they work towards reducing the deficit or just continue to increase it?

If they did try to reduce it, would they shift the costs of doing this significantly toward the rich and away from the poor?

I can’t see that they would. Afterall, they are in bed with big business and the whole wealthy end of town. I can’t see that they are the slightest bit better than the Coalition in that regard.

And we know that they wouldn’t significantly reduce the immigration rate, which is the biggest factor that no one talks about when it comes to the budget. Immigration demands massive government expenditure.

Massive immigration = massive need for new infrastructure and upgraded older infrastructure = massive part of the budget expenditure.

But the big end of town demands very high immigration. So neither Labor nor Coalition is going to touch it.

We’re being diddled by the current government, but I can’t see that it would be significantly different with the other mob in power.

We need to make government vastly more independent of the all-powerful big-business profit motive, which currently has it by the balls.

Until we do that we are just simply not going to get the budget back on track. Nor are we going to get the rich to pay their fair share and keep the pain for the poor to a minimum in any attempt to do so.

whoever IS IN GOVT..ius run by the public service
who//in turn are run by the industry lobby

the big expenses this time around were the new medical slush fund/big phartma needs access to/and that medicare fee/cause globally insurance is broken..hence the top up and 'other urgencies'
http://investmentwatchblog.com/obamacare-contractors-paid-to-sit-at-computers-hit-refresh-lou-dobbs/

THE NEXT BIG HOPE/FOR CASHFOW..
http://www.hangthebankers.com/russia-dumps-20-of-us-treasury-holdings-belgium-buys-a-massive-40-billion/

IS THE CARBON CREDIT SCAM
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/ex-director-of-top-global-warming-center-compares-warmunism-to-mccarthyism/

http://12160.info/xn/detail/2649739:BlogPost:1468219?xg_source=activity

http://www.newsforage.com/2014/05/us-admits-killing-people-on-basis-of.html
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/5-reasons-war-drugs-costly-economic-disaster/

Trapdican,
Do you want a Labor government again? After the fiasco of the last 6 years that would be a disaster, unless you can show they have changed and will work to reducing the debt they ran up.

The pink batts commission is showing just how incompetent labor was, then add on all the other failed schemes as well. Only a lunatic would want them back.

Sure a DD election might give a Senate majority, and may not, but a Labor win would take us from the pan to the fire. I am not happy with aspects of the budget either, but at least the LNP are reducing the spending which has to be.

You should give them credit for stopping the boats, a huge saving.

Ludwig,
Quite right. Both major parties pander to business because that is who gives major donations and business wants high migration. Can you get any figures on what immigration actually costs us.

trapdiocan, personally, I would live to see another spend thrift government, like the previous two labor gave us, but, realistically, my kids, their kids and their kids kids would be the ones paying for it.

The bottom line is, you simply CAN NOT support a situation whereby your revenue can't repay your debt.

My solution would be a more efficient tax system, one that taxes money, not people.

My fear is that a DD election will simply send us back to the bottleneck we had after the 2010 fiasco.

But, if you seriously think labor deserves another shot, then perhaps rather than just contacting your local rep, you should be requesting policies, because apart from spin, last nights budget reply provided no vision.

My solution would be a more efficient tax system, one that taxes money, not people.
rehctub,
YES ! A flat tax.

Butch and other 'Usual Suspects', your howls of indignation and claims of pending disaster regarding the previous Labor Governments economic management are not supported by the facts. Under Labor, Australia enjoyed a stable AAA credit rating from all the Worlds leading Credit Rating Agencies, rare amongst nations. Hopefully under the Abbott government Australia might continue in the same vain, that is, a AAA rating. Obviously the cry's of pending disaster from the Conservatives before the election were nothing more than a legitimate political tactic, and that is politics.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/rating

This budget has exposed one of two things, either this government has fallen for it own pre-election propaganda about the economy, or they are so philosophically driven, that nothing less than a total realignment of Australia's internal economic and social structure will appease them. Given the political nature of the present conservative regime I suspect it is the latter. With this government, ordinary Australian's can kiss goodbye the notions that we are a caring people, intent on supporting each other in a fair and equitable way. With Abbott its going to be dog eat dog, and a case of every man for himself!

For gods sake, the budget has not cut anything. All it is trying to do is reduce the rate of growth in spending on everything, that that sweetheart Gillard locked in as a trap to injure the government that followed her.

The sweet lady new she was gone, after being the worst prime minister we have ever had, & vindictive bitch she is, locked in as much trouble for her successor as she could.

She did not give a damn that people were going to expect her pie in the sky promises of milk & honey to come to pass, when in fact there was never any chance we could afford to keep them.

Millions are hurt, & others are bitching watching their projected feather bead is dragged out from under them.

One can only have disgust for Gillard, & the current Labor lot who pretend the promises could be kept without Oz becoming the next Greece. If you think we have pain, look at the pain the Mediterranean countries have due to lack of practical budgeting for too long.

Time for the handout generation to grow up.

locked in as much trouble for her successor as she could.
Hasbeen,
I wonder if there'd be a way to explain this to the morons ?

The big issue in the long run is the attempt by the government to cut $80 billion from the States, money desperately need for hospitals, transport and education. In this way Abbott will force the States to seek an increase in the GST, somewhere in the order of 50%. Raising the tax to 15% and extending it to cover everything including the presently untaxed foods.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/joe-hockey-daring-states-to-ask-for-a-rise-in-the-gst-says-labor-20140514-zrbwl.html

This would be a disaster for low and middle income earners, who are struggling at the moment and look as though they are going to be pushed even deeper into debt when other budget increases and benefit cuts kick in.

You have all got it wrong !
Both parties + the Greens just do not understand what is going on under the water.
They have been told many times, even by their own departments but
just cannot believe it, so to protect their sanity they just ignore
the real problem.

The real problem of course is the effect of rising energy costs on the
GDP of most countries. They have been warned of a problem around 2017
but that will be beyond the next election.

Which ever party is in power we will be in for substantial problems, it
is just that the nature of the problems will have a different slant
depending on who is in power. For instance if Labour gets back in
the debt will become so huge that it can never be repaid, so our
creditors will be faced with the choice of forgiving the debt or
taking over the countrey.
So as much of the debt is owed to China, they would probably take
land in exchange. Quite a simple solution actually and would avoid
the Liberal alternative which would be to sell it to China anyway.

Frankly until both parties + the greens face up to this problem there
is no real solution available as their economics are based on a
twentyeth century economics model of cheap energy.

Ok Paul, let me ask you some VERY SIMPLE questions,
Do you think we would have held our AAA rating, had labor continued along their path?

Now before you HOPEFULLY answer that, you must remember, the boats would still be coming.

Next question. Given we had a AAA rating when Howard left, $20billion in the bank and ZERO debt. At what point do you suppose we will loose that AAA rating?

Do you think comparing us with other nations is anything other than a gauge?

I say this, because debt is debt and, if the debt can not be reduced, it will one day consume the asset.

Finally Paul, how do you suggest we repay debt, or, more importantly, when should we start repaying debt, because energy prices will increase, Ford looks like cutting early, so jobs will be scarce.

Any suggestions

All the talk of double dissolution is beginning to show the Abbott budget less as an actual proposal, and more of an ambit claim.

Which - if I am correct - makes him a more astute politician than I personally had given him credit for.

He has dangled a few, relatively inexpensive, carrots in front of Labour, so that they can whinge, moan and carry on about cruelty and unfairness for a while. He is then in an excellent position to "back down" on a couple of these before putting the revised package in front of the Senate.

Why?

Because as Paul1405 earlier pointed out, Abbott knows, and we know, and Labour knows, and the States know, that the only significant reform will come from increasing the rate of GST. In exchange for a level (not too much, of course) of bipartisan support for the more egregious anti-poor, anti-aged elements of the present batch of ideas, Tony'n'Joe'n'Matthias will subsequently get the GST ball a-rolling.

Unfinished business, you see.

Not to mention the fact that New Zealand is now looking forward to a surplus, after a) experiencing a massive deficit b) a change of government, then c) uplifting their GST.

Expect 12.5% on everything, after an initial proposal of 15% on the currently covered elements.

Ain't this fun?

money desperately need for hospitals, transport and education.
Paul1405,
There's ample funding for the above, it's just the professionals & bureaucrats wasting it & lining their own pockets.

*Do you want a Labor government again? After the fiasco of the last 6 years ;*

Can anyone honestly say that they are worse off in any way after the last six years?

*You should give them credit for stopping the boats, a huge saving.*
At only about $10 billion for the offshore camps, plus payment to PNG to take the refugees, plus god knows how many billions for the ADF and Customs to man the fleet maintained off the North Coast.
Come on it would be cheaper to put them all in hotels on the mainland for five years. At least Australians would have work looking after them.

*I wonder if there'd be a way to explain this to the morons ?*

And the Morons being?

There is no financial crisis, Period ! Australia has a triple A rating.never in the history has a Liberal government ever managed to get a triple A rating even during the Howard and Costello years ! Its a con based on upon dishonest forward projections ! You would have to be very naive to believe that with our triple a status we are in dire straits ! we rate among the worlds to ten financially secure countries! The rating was given with how we were at the time and REALISTIC forward projections of our future economic stability ! Your kids were safe but now there not all the safety nets are being pulled from under them, some of your children might end up penniless living on the streets if they should loose their jobs ! And what about the kids of today ? They are going to find it hard if they haven't got a mummy and daddy who can cater to their needs and feed them with a silver spoon . The G.S.T is about to rise because the states have been lumbered with the costs of running the Hospitals and schools,That is going to hurt you and your kids big-time now and not into the future meanwhile the government is busy saving for a health research fund , what about our health at this moment in time ? its a good idea but once your health system is up to par . Understand this you can balance your family budget two ways economize on what you spend and buy as long as you have the necessities or you can do what Abbott has done by starving half your family to balance your budget, both have the same result but one is more HUMANE than the other, the choice is up to your conscience or lack of !

The "financial crisis" is a political LIE, and the lie was constructed for 2 purposes ...(1) to get reelected (2) to facilitate an "ideologically" based financial change.

Indy: YES ! A flat tax.

Yes. 10% on all Personal Wages & Salaries, Bonuses, Gifts, or other remunerations like houses & cars, etc. 15% on all Business Profits of any description.

No offsets, depreciation, deductions for anything what-so-ever.

If someone tells me they have a right to reduce their Tax then they have not being paying their fair share of Tax.

And the Morons being?
Robert LePage,
Those who don't think for themselves & always have to ask for explanations no matter how blatant the evidence, people who refuse to see.

All the talk is about the government debt.
Add to it the personal and company debt and that is the debt that has to be repaid.

So those who are in debt can help the whole country by trying harder to
repay that debt and get the interest monkey off our back,

Come on it would be cheaper to put them all in hotels
Robert LePage,
How does a 4 star motel in Cairns sound ? Acceptable to you ? I called several months ago to make a booking for a few days & was told they were booked out. When I expreesed my surprise at being booked out at that time of year the receptionist told me "we have a lot of the boat people".

Quick point for Paul 1405. Triple A credit rating? Wake up matey. this is given by the bunch of plums who gave criminal valuations of vastly overpriced assets in the US which caused the GFC. Standard and Poors and Moodys should have had all their assets seized and executives jailed.
Cast your mind back to Victoria under John Cain. That was exactly the same problem and all you hear from our ABC is about the Kennett cuts.
Labour are totally stupid and now it seems corrupt too if NSW is anything to go by.
Go Tony Abbott!

Hi All...

I very surprised how forgetful we all are after six years of Labour and the massive debt they left. Sure the Labour Party may've had the very best of intentions with their spending projects, like erecting school halls and other educational facilities. Also the many other worthwhile systems and projects they tried to fund ?

But we all must realise, we can't spend money we don't have. By doing so we simply proliferate our ever burgeoning debt. I'm a 'dumbo', even I can see the logic of it all !

So next time we vote. Who are you gonna vote for. LNP? lied, broken promises. ALP? lied, broken promises. Greens, nothing but lies & BS.

Great choice eh.

jay/vote *none of the abouve*
[if enough people do..it means we want voting reform/audit..of all govt and fed to assume full state debt.]

OH MY BLOODY GAWD .... let me pick myself up off the floor, I just fainted.

Why?

One Under No God wrote a post that was *ONLY* 2 lines long.

I bet nobody will still actually read it though, as usual.

If you want people to vote for you give them money - bribery. If you want to run a sustainable budget then cut expenditure or raise taxes - loose popularity.

Robert Lepage,

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/sm/2014/sm214451.htm

As I said substantial savings by stopping the boats.

Josephus, you TOTALLY miss the point. The budget argument is not about the "sustainability" of the economy (BOTH Labor and Liberal would have to make cuts).

The argument is about the *UNFAIRNESS* and *CLASS WARFARE* of the *IDEOLOGICALLY* based cuts from the coalition. The rich corporations and middle class *STILL* get their government welfare and have to suffer very little with other cuts, whereas the poor, the unemployed, the nations aged pensioners on the full pension and lots of other struggling groups will have *FAR LARGER* percentage cuts to their income.

It's a *CLASS WAR* against the poor.

Abbott's "supposed" to be a Christian. But he has the social morals and heart of a Satan. AND ..... he's a deceitful LIAR as well.

Abbott can never, ever be trusted by the voters again. He deceived Australia at the election, and did it knowingly, willingly and with no respect.

Amazing and One Under God must have taken his gardening gloves off as
there were no mixed upper & lower characters !

O sun wu

'after six years of Labour and the massive debt they left'

Yes, mate ... because every country in the developed world lost money hand over fist because, since the 80s, their government revenues had become inextricably embedded to the global finance system, which - you might have heard the rumour by now - went into total meltdown circa 2008 and not only hasn't recovered in the period since, but has become infinitely worse.

If you applaud the cowardly cruelty of the spoilt rich brats of Canberra in dooming hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of Australians to lives of unemployment, homelessness, despair and almost certainly starvation, that's your prerogative. But don't use the moronic Murdoch mantra that it was because Labor spent too much money.

double disolution=double trouble
it changes no lobby nor public servant doing treason.

Leaked Documents Reveal Marine Corps
‘Urban Training Center’ Based on U.S. Town
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/leaked-documents-reveal-marine-corps-urban-training-center-based-u-s-town/

Newly leaked Marine Corps’ documents detail yet another military urban training center that more closely resembles a small U.S. town than a foreign combat zone.

Put a cable lobbyist in charge of net neutrality.
What could go wrong?
http://xrepublic.tv/node/8932
House Bill 1490 (HB1490) passed through the state senate on May 1 by a 24-8 margin. It had previously passed the house by a 131-12 vote...

Jim Rickards’ Full, In-Depth
World Bank Presentation On The Future Of Money
http://investmentwatchblog.com/jim-rickards-full-in-depth-world-bank-presentation-on-the-future-of-money/

Former Abortion Clinic Operator:
We Sexualized Kids To Keep Abortion Cash Flowing
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/former-abortion-clinic-operator-we-sexualized-kids-to-keep-abortion-cash-flowing_052014

A former abortion clinic operator in Texas says she was compensated handsomely for selling state-funded sex education programs to children, which in turn destroyed their innocence and compelled them to visit the clinics for future abortion services.

Carol Everett, who now heads the non-profit Heidi Group Foundation, a pro-life organization that helps “girls and women in unplanned pregnancies make positive, life-affirming choices,” recalled her time within the industry at a recent Rose Dinner event in Canada.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Pope:-A-journey-to-the-Holy-Land-in-the-name-of-ecumenism-31089.html
The Pope is being left wide open, not unlike JFK who did the Dallas Motorcade without the bullet-proof top to the limousine. I hope I am wrong about this, but it would be very easy for the US or Israel to assassinate the Pope, frame Muslims, and kick off a "Holy" war against the Muslims

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/10833715/Pope-Francis-rejects-bulletproof-vehicles-for-Middle-East-trip.html

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2014/05/bribery-fraud-and-corruption-charges.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/
http://whatreallyhappened.com/podcasts/hourtitle3.m3u
http://xml.nfowars.net/Alex.rss

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/sm/2014/sm214451.htm
As I said substantial savings by stopping the boats.

But nowhere does it say how much the boarder protection fleet, the offshore camps, costs of transporting the "inmates" to the offshore camps, cost of visits by officials to the offshore camps, paying other countries to take in refugees, are costing.
Come off the grass it will be a lot more than the weasel words of Scott Morrison el al say the old system was costing.
A further point was that money stayed in Australia before.
It cost 1$billion to re-open manus alone.

Labor, The Greens and Palmer should block supply.
At least then abbott would be forced to keep at least one promise.
Let the people decide this liars fate.

mikk,

The people have already decided and the rubbish was put out in Canberra very recently.

There is nothing new in any of 'Little Willie' Shorten's spiel that is any different to what Gillard and Rudd have said and done before with calamitous results.

There is a lot of buzzing in the hive still from the hordes of entitled bureaucrats and entrepreneurs including lawyers who have made a jolly good living and careers out of Labor's social policies to buy votes.

...No offsets, depreciation, deductions for anything what-so-ever.

Are you serious Jayb, if you are, tell me, where are the jobs going to come from, because there's no point being in business if it's all risk and no reward.

Now as for tax, you are still on the wrong track, we have to tax money, not people, because unZzxlike the current tax, that only gets collated once, money gets taxed every time it changes hands.

I'm sure I would like another $500 per week to spend, cause I'd sure do my bit to stimulate the economy.

Nhoj ...OH MY BLOODY GAWD .... let me pick myself up off the floor, I just fainted.

Why?

One Under No God wrote a post that was *ONLY* 2 lines long.

I bet nobody will still actually read it though, as usual.

Nhoj, It's not often I praise you, BUT THAT'S GO,D!

I swear there are more than one using that name.

...Posted by one under god, Saturday, 17 May 2014 6:28:40 AM

is that number one, or two posting.

Robert LePage, you do acknowledge that no matter where the money goes here, or how much, it is a problem that DIDN'T EXIST prior to the Kevin 07 failed experiment. Don't you!

OTB, Paul won't rise to the challenge, so perhaps you can enlighten us on what labor, if they were to regain power, would do, because if they don't have the answers, it's nothing but words.

We have had six years of words, now we have a government of action. They may well have lied, but, did you seriously believe it would be any different, because six years of waste and mismanagement can't be left to fester forever. Besides, the quicker the libs can balance the books, the quicker labor can get back in to completely stuff things up again.

History is a bitch!

wrecktubby/quote..<<.. just fainted.

Why?

One Under No Go0d,,wrote a post that was..*ONLY* 2 lines long.>>

im over blogging
in fact i have sold my on line 'oerson'..i nto a trust account
[im the cleaner]..just mopping up in here

<<..I bet nobody will still>>
johan/didnt write to still[as he wrote a few times
['i will make you*..a fissure of men..

ok if mr no-body..read it/please advise the butchers thumb

<<..i will ok that bet

did anyone..<< actually read it though,>>

the whole two lines?
the first short post for the day?

butchy-bitch..quote<<.. as usual...Nhoj,
It's not often I praise you, BUT THAT'S GO,D!>>

dear nojo..he meant to write thats gold..[you know..like state;old?

butcherbriches/rote/quote[note]
<<I swear there are more than one using that name.>>
yes indeed we are many..indeed many more were called/but didnt get chose.

<<..is that number one, or two posting..>>

i told you..im the cleaner*
johan has left the building to others.

When one really thinks about the situation we don't need a double dissolution, we need to help the lefties grow some sense. I know this is a huge, impossible looking task but if we can establish a department for the education of lefties we might just get a foot in the door.
We need to get them early because once they attend Kindy their mentality is set forever..

Hi there ONE UNDER GOD...

How are you going there Johan ? I see you're still expressing some of your very deep philosophical thoughts that a few people like NHOJ wouldn't comprehend if it were reduced to simple single syllables ? No, that's not quite true...what I mean in essence ? NHOJ plainly doesn't comprehend him/herself !

Take care there ol' man eh ?

Hi there KILLARNEY...

I see you don't mix you words too much do you ? Language like '...the spoilt rich brats of Canberra...' and '...condemning hundreds of thousand even millions of people to starvation...' ? Therefore I'll try not employ language similar to that of the 'moronic Murdoch mantra' either, lest I receive the edge of your whip like tongue ?

I will admit, as a staunch LNP ('moronic') supporter, I do believe Mr Hockey went too far with the medical co-payment, and they did break a promise with the tax levy for those earning over $150,000, which was a clever strategy to include politicians within the catchment of this policy. And the petrol business which will hurt those who have a need to travel far, to their employment (essentially because of inadequate transport). Still it has been recognised, Australia is carrying too much debt, compared to other similar first world economies.

I'm not at all sure though, who's the subject of your intensely profound excoriations ? There's little doubt your anathema is directed at both the LNP and the Murdoch press, but who in particular deserves to be pilloried herein, the LNP or the Murdoch Media organisation ? Or is it the case they be dealt with equally, and as harshly ?

Also, with respect KILLARNEY, has the Australian Labour Party, during their six years in government handled the economy sagaciously and adroitly ? Firstly, with Mr Rudd, then Ms Gillard and then Mr Rudd again, both guided by the wise tutelage and guardianship of the Treasurer, Mr Wayne SWAN, at the helm ?

its not really all that deep o sung..we do need a revolt
but a diss-solution..is what we allready got..

the market may be able to double up/sell rental gold..or
do anything it can name/licence or warrent..by order/number in any act..but that dont mean we are as well served as the well off..if people were simply licenced to repair and restore any acidental or agrigious injury/instantly.

for mine a copper can pre empt/punnishment..or remedy[good cop bad cop
but people know its best to not even look sideways at any/of em.

anyhow my next activism is defalting on my power bill
we must begin boycotting these exorbitant price increases
and power is the last thing in my name.

so they can rot in hell/
i will r4v the bill...then expect to fight it out in court

i have to lodge two appeals
plus have lodged a complaint with finance ombudsman against common wealth bank..its too much..but its the path im intending walking..

anyhow a double disolution..is ok/but wont happen/a lot of 'negotiation'/tradeoffs like what can we offer a minor player become a big man in politricks/will a billionare vote for the peon/wage slave..for the kid?

clive stands at the entry to greatness
or the exit...i think hes going to have greatness shoved upon him[and poor joe..the banker slave..will be charged with treason for daring to sell the royal mint*..thats high treason..first they debased the queens coin/then..sell off the leaseholder/who owns massive ammounts of real gold..[they sold off leased gold*/try us selling a rental auto../or a rental house/yet/criminals did this and cops are busting kids for drugs/while cia/mossad/plentigone..in the pentgon[2002 it lost 6 trillion..cia runs drug wars globaly..how can qld get 3 times the debt of federal/thats high treason too/govt spent billions building junk/its time we stopped paying a cent...us paying more isnt on offer/its time govt paid its own rent.[take back/public service/slush fund/problems fixed/that alone pays off all state debts.

Hi there ONE UNDER GOD...

Johan, I totally agree with you about the cost of power ! How many of our pensioners who can barely find enough to eat, keep paying these continually rising electricity bills beats me. We, (Australians) should have amongst the cheapest power in the world, with our abundance of coal and other forms of energy and resources.

I realise the excessive use of coal as a mode of producing more power has little going for it, in some quarters but there are times when we need to look after those who cannot look after themselves. Our elderly, people living alone, those who plainly cannot pay these raising power bills.

Mate, I know you say you're not going to pay your electricity account but, I'm not sure of your living arrangements Johan, whether you live alone or with your family ? But think first, before you do commit yourself with this non-payment stance, you're embarking upon ? It's approaching winter and the cold. Just think about it first please ?

Take care Johan.

Lol!

Killarney,

"Yes, mate ... because every country in the developed world lost money hand over fist because, since the 80s, their government revenues had become inextricably embedded to the global finance system, which - you might have heard the rumour by now - went into total meltdown circa 2008 and not only hasn't recovered in the period since, but has become infinitely worse."

Yes, indeedy...but of course, that's a mere bagatelle to some on here who would have much preferred to see us go into recession, the economy stall, unemployment to skyrocket and us to go into debt as well.

Pericles,

I don't think Abbott is an astute anything - although yes he lobbed that grenade to the states in the hope they all run around with their heads cut off and raise the GST...which is probably the way to go in any case.

But everything else is ideological - white-anting medicare, shutting down just about anything that smacked of ethical policy, targeting the poor, while glancing the rich with a limp lettuce leaf, etc. He's simply implementing the IPA agenda and attempting to undermine Australia's egalitarian system.

It's not particularly astute, in your first fiscal outing, to reveal your scam, and to unload your diabolical agenda all in one hit...it's so bloody obvious! Far more astute to do it in increments so that you at least have some sizable voter base left when it comes around to campaigning prior to next election. The way things are, many swinging voters who trusted Abbott et al and now find themselves targeted will avoid the same mistake again like the plague.

Of course Abbott and his govt are lying bastards of the first degree...an absolute betrayal of the trust of those who voted him in - and unprecedented in its brazen deception.

You can kiss goodbye to any possibility that Abbott will call a Double Dissolution.

Latest Galaxy Poll - 2 party preferred:

L/NP 41 (-7)

ALP 59 (+7)

Okay false alarm...(don't ya hate it when you fail to confirm:)

Galaxy says L/NP 47 - ALP 53

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/its-true-we-hate-the-budget-and-paying-for-hockeys-50000-dinner/story-fni0cx4q-1226921367229

DD still out of the question IMO

Hi there POIROT...

As much as it galls me to admit it, I think you're right on this issue, I'd be surprised if Mr Abbott did seek a 'Double Dissolution' because I reckon it could well cost him government ? There was little to be gained in additional revenue by imposing a Tax levy on those earning over $150,000 PA. Essentially because he gave us an assurance that he'd NOT raise taxes ! True, many of the electorate will be unaffected. But, he broke a promise, and that will forever resonate in the minds of the electorate ?

No longer can he articulate the old chestnut; by repeating the promise of PM Gillard, NOT to introduce the Carbon Tax. A very bad tactical and strategic move on behalf of PM Abbott, I thought he was much smarter then that ? He's really disappointed me with this very puritanical Budget of his and the Treasurer ?

As was this co-payment of $7 being levied, each time we consulted a Doctor. Another very bad error of judgement ? Medicare should be left alone, for all time. And any government who seeks to mitigate it's overall philosophy, would lose government on that issue alone, in my opinion.

I just cant understand either of them, Messrs Abbott or Hockey, 'blundering' into this pathetically useless policy, with this stupid $7 co-payment, and breaking his no increasing of tax policy...why ?

I know The Mad Monk aka Tax Em' Tony, has quit The Liberal Party and joined The Raving Loony Party. Even someone so far to the right as our Tone, and I do believe Tax Em' was last seen orbiting somewhere right of Pluto, how far right can you get! Even Tax Em' wouldn't risk a DD election on Joe Cockeys crazy budget.
Wait a moment, stop press, my partner has just read my post and she informs me that in fact, The Raving Loony Party, and The Liberal Party are one in the same, just a re-badge job! And Tax Em' Tony is mad as the Mad Hatter and is likely to do anything, if Caligula could make his horse a Senator, Tone thinks it might be a good idea to make his Bicycle (case he hasn't got a horse) one as well. Would be the only way he's ever going to get Cockey's budget passed!

Tax'Em Tony will be stabbed in the back within the next 12 months, and the new leader Malcolm Turnbull, in order to get the coalition reelected, will reverse many policies.

I can't agree with you on Medicare policy o sung wu. It will be free medicine that will send any country that does it broke.

Medical technology is advancing so quickly, & every advance brings huge increases in the cost of treatment that no government is going to be able to supply multimillionaire type treatment for every citizen.

Normal treatment of old fashion illnesses we can handle, but we can't supply quarter to half million transplants to every old fart who might gain a couple of years benefit.

In other words I don't think oldies like you & I, who are of not much value to the community these days, just can't expect heart lung transplants on the public purse. It is just not possible to fund such treatments, while top surgeons are paid as they are.

We are going to have to hope that cheaper treatments such as stents replacing open heart surgery continue to be found. I expect some more economical treatments will be developed, but until then these hugely expensive treatments will have to be user pay, or we will go broke, & no one will get anything.

Hi there HASBEEN...

With respect my friend, I don't think a $7 co-payment will enhance anything much. Those with sufficient disposable income won't feel the seven Dollars at all, but many who need to account for every cent will feel it manifestly so, particularly if they suffer from a chronic illness ? Don't you think ?

I must admit, I'm not sufficiently appraised enough about the various cut-off points with much of the budget ? Correct me if I'm wrong, the $7 extinguishes itself after ten visits in any twelve months period, or am I talking rot ? Does it apply to everyone without exception ? Workers compensation matters; the co-payment is met by the insurer or the patient ? There's much yet to be fully revealed, with the co-payment initiave.

Though I thought Mr Hockey said ALL will pay without exception ? Another LNP MP (who's name I forget) said the co-payment was a catchment protocol to ensure every man, women and child pay it without exception ? Pensioners, Gold Card Veterans, the unemployed with a health card...everyone ? I dunno there HASBEEN, this one really worries me ?

And to break a promise not to raise Taxes, was stupid beyond reason. Particularly when all the economists said it would yield little overall, and the broken promise would prove very injurious to the ethics and probity of the Abbott government, for little economic gain ? Go figure.

Hi Poirot, summer come early in the ME eh. I agree with your post. funny that.

Nhoj I think you're right. Malcom has always been in the wings. Waiting, waiting...

I can't see a DD, but who do you vote for if their is? I've said it before. LNP, lies, broken promises. ALP, lies, broken promises. Greens, lies & BS. Palmer, just crap.

Heaven help us!

Hi there JAYB...

Your second last sentence will become one of the great maxims of recent, Australian Political life !

Yes so true hasbeen, I mean, what's wrong with one having medical insurance.

The whole problem is so much has been provided fir so little for so long, the gravy train has simply run dry.

My late dad had both legs amputated, that was after having quadruple bypasses, he had his appendix out, open heart surgery on top of that, suffered from high blood preasure, the list went on.

He didn't actually pay for all that treatment, somebody else did. It's simply can't continue.

As for the budget cut backs, my opinion is they are just a starting point and can be negotiated down.

Of cause it would be helpful if labor and the greens could counter offer, as blind Freddie knows where we are at present is unsustainable.

Rehctub wrote, "he didn't actually pay for all that treatment".

Wrong. He *DID* pay. It's called *TAX*. His tax paid for the medical research, his tax paid for the hospitals, his tax paid for the medical equipment, his tax paid for the medical system itself .... both for himself and other people. He started making a contribution towards his eventual treatments, and the treatments of other people *THE MOMENT HE FIRST STARTED PAYING TAX*.

Actually o sung wu I think bulk billing for most people is a ridiculous extravagance. People earning a reasonable wage should be able to pay for insurance or their doctors bill.

We all do in my town, health care card holders included. I think it costs $17 or there about for a normal doctors visit for health care card holders. We have no bulk billing doctors.

After a decade on steroids I am on a diabetes watch with twice daily testing with a little electronic contrivance, & regular testing for my heart condition. On my doctor visits I have to see a nurse practitioner for the sugar count & the doctor for the heart. I pay $31 with my pensioner health care card subsidy.

I would love to pay only $7, but appreciate the amount I am being subsidised now. I guess I will now pay another $7, & I certainly won't begrudge it.

I always go over the $1000 a year in medication cost, & then get the rest free. I have no idea what my pills would cost, if I was paying full freight, but I know it would be heaps. You only have to compare how much we pay for a little medication at the vets for a pet, to realise we are extremely well cared for & subsidised.

How much more we can load onto the taxpayer without breaking the bank I don't know, but we must be getting close to the limit.

Hasbeen- I have never heard a story quite like yours it sounds like you live in another country altogether ! It almost sounds like you are pulling someones leg !

With the onset of this six months before you qualify for the dole scheme followed by 25hours a week of working for the dole, it very well may create a new type of low pay working class,who may undercut other workers just to avoid the poverty trap !

OK, so the Polls are out & the two Party preferred is LNP 44%, ALP 56%. However the real figured are LNP 36%, ALP 38%. Not much difference there. The 26% difference shows that the dissatisfaction with both Major Parties has grown substantially.

I know that the difference is made up of many different Parties with varying agenda. Eg.; Greens, Palmer & Religious Groups pretending to be Political Parties. The migration to these other Groups does show a huge dissatisfaction with the two Major Parties.

Will the Two Major Parties recognise this? I doubt it. I think it will just force them to become even more entrenched in their dangerous ideologies. They will spin even more lies to a gullible Public, who will be, once again, disappointed with their choice.

Hi everyone...my third time on OLO since the budget. Thing I note is that even the righties around here are probably a little taken aback by the deceit of this govt. It's one thing to vote Liberal...but what we have here is something rabid we've never seen before which operates solely from deception...not good for democracy.

O sung wu,

"True, many of the electorate will be unaffected..."

There is a whole lot of detail coming out now to show the depths of the Hockey's trickery.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/missing-figures-show-poor-are-hit-20140518-38i05.html

"Inserted into the 2005 budget by treasurer Peter Costello and included in every budget since, the table is usually titled "Detailed family outcomes".

"It sets out the way in which the budget measures make different types of families better or worse off. In 2005 Mr Costello displayed the results for six family types at 15 different levels of incomes."

"Joe Hockey's budget is the first without it."

And:

http://www.theage.com.au/money/budgets-secret-sting-for-pensioners-and-matureage-workers-20140516-zreh5.html

"The pension concession and Commonwealth Seniors Health cards offer travel, electricity, phone and council rate discounts in an agreement with the states.
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But buried in the budget documents the government reveals it will be "terminating" this agreement after July 1, saving $1.3 billion over four years.

"It will hurt pensioners the most. This will cost $1000 to $2000 a year. No one was expecting that. Since it's not a direct payment to pensioners the government didn't want to highlight this," Biti says.

The separate abolition on September 20 of the "seniors supplement" attached to the Seniors Health card for self-funded retirees will cost couples $1320 a year.

But the biggest sting is the government's decision to count super drawdowns as part of the assets test from next January."

(and that's beside to the indexing cuts to Veterans Affairs hidden in Budget paper 2 and slated for 2017)

Australia has been royally taken to the cleaners by a sneaky dishonest govt...unprecedented!

Jayb,

"OK, so the Polls are out & the two Party preferred is LNP 44%, ALP 56%. However the real figured are LNP 36%, ALP 38%...."

Well, Lol!...if those were the polls at an election - LNP 44% and ALP 56% (two party preferred)...who do yer reckon would be the party out of govt? We have a preferential system.

What it demonstrates is that people have worked out fairly quickly that the were duped.

Hasbeen,

"Actually o sung wu I think bulk billing for most people is a ridiculous extravagance. People earning a reasonable wage should be able to pay for insurance or their doctors bill.

We all do in my town, health care card holders included. I think it costs $17 or there about for a normal doctors visit for health care card holders. We have no bulk billing doctors.

After a decade on steroids I am on a diabetes watch with twice daily testing with a little electronic contrivance, & regular testing for my heart condition. On my doctor visits I have to see a nurse practitioner for the sugar count & the doctor for the heart. I pay $31 with my pensioner health care card subsidy.

I would love to pay only $7, but appreciate the amount I am being subsidised now. I guess I will now pay another $7, & I certainly won't begrudge it.

I always go over the $1000 a year in medication cost, & then get the rest free. I have no idea what my pills would cost, if I was paying full freight, but I know it would be heaps. You only have to compare how much we pay for a little medication at the vets for a pet, to realise we are extremely well cared for & subsidised."

What you fail to grasp is that the only reason that you have been able to afford such good care for such a reasonable impost is that Medicare exists...what you also fail to grasp is that the $7 co-payment for doctors visits, pharmacy, pathology, x-ray etc, is merely a wedge - the first salvo in attempting to undermine universal healthcare in this country.

So although the $7 for each of these services may seem trivial to you (not so trivial for some who may have to choose between buying a necessity and visiting the doctor) the underlying tactic is to begin to white-ant Medicare.....exactly what the UK Tories have been doing, and which is the Abbott govt template for privatising govt services in this country.

Alright Poirot, there is no need to get all ancy. All I was showing that there is a swing towards minor Parties. The two major Parties are not happy with that & will lie their way into Government again. Whoever wins.

&, Do you know what? The gullible public will believe their lies, again. &, The Party diehards will believe their lies & support their Party, no matter what.

Stupid is, as Stupid does.

Has anyone got the message that both major Parties already know: that we cannot sustain the current welfare system as the population ages. Each taxpayer has to support a person other than family on welfare. How about doing it directly instead of through the Government. Then you would see who votes for who.

Josephus: Has anyone got the message that both major Parties already know: that we cannot sustain the current welfare system as the population ages.

Well for the record I worked 47 years & paid my Taxes. Unfortunately, unlike Mr. Bond & many others who have the means to reduce their Tax to $1 per year I had to pay the full amount with very little or no deductions available to me or was able to afford to have Superannuation Account. Just life insurance which worked out after 47 years to be worth one weeks wages. I raised 3 kids in the 70 & 80 when there was no "Special Benefits" available to the Working Class like Child Care etc. The only deductions for you Tax was your Union Dues.

So Josephus are you telling me that you don't like to pay for my meagre Pension after you had your parents pay for you Schooling, a Roof over you head, Food & Clothing, Medical & Dental, Pushbikes, Toys, Outings, Sports, Then they had to put up with your bad attitude, manners, abuse, etc. You bloody ungrateful wretch! You should be paying your parents back by providing everything they need for their old age.

It is necessary that govts address the changing needs of society - and internal reform is therefore always in play.

However, targeting the least able as the Abbott Govt has done - and to such an extent - cooks their goose before they've even started. What's the use of putting up a budget that is so diabolical it hasn't got a hope in hell of being passed?

And silly Abbott is now lying about his lies...he's starting to look like a right prat.

Josephus,

Check out this article about millionaires pay little or no tax.(and already financial advisers are instructing high earners how to get out of paying their measly 0.3 % in "this" budget)

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/budget-pain-not-for-millionaires-who-pay-no-tax-20140512-zr9o3.html

Nhoj, while he did pay his taxes, in fact we all do when we earn over a certain amount, but the trouble is, we have all been paying for one dollars worth of treatment, but drawing two.

Notwithstanding the fact that labor wasted so much, The whole problem is that our tax system has been made obsolete as it simply can no longer keep up with expenditure.

Now just on the doctor, I went a few weeks ago, long consultation they said, only because although my family goes there, I don't often so they had to collect my details. It cost me $103.00

Today I went back only to be to,d what the radiologist (hope that right) told me, I didn't have a broken rib. 3 minutes, $62.


trapdiocan, it's my understanding the only time they receive no support is if they refuse to learn. If this is the case, what's the problem.

O sung woo, I think you will find that not one tax increase will be effective prior to the next election. I could be wrong, but if I'm right, then how have they lied?

At the end of the day, the budget proposals are just a starting point and o doubt Tony is aware he will be negotiated down.

Best start at the top I say.

Perhaps with Ford, Holden and Toyota outta here the LNP can look at the tax subsidy available to the wealthy and their leased foreign cars.

Perhaps it could look at he tax ride given the wealthy superannuated. Perhaps it should look at all the shady loop-holes the wealthy exploit rather than pay tax at marginal rates like the rest of us.

Perhaps a diesel excise. Perhaps, perhaps.

BTW where can I buy two middies for six bucks?

This lying, conniving cowboy-outfit of a government could do a lot better than to turn on those that voted them in to rid the Rudd/Gillard musical chairs fiasco. Confecting a budget emergency to veil its ideological thrust hasn't dulled the uproar, so expect some peace offerings just before the next election to buy voters back.

Abbott's sheer deceit, skulduggery, audacity, chutzpah, humbug, hubris and hypocrisy makes him possibly the finest politician this country has ever produced. I find interesting the support by the usual motley suspects on OLO, as if they were in on the subterfuge rather than right royally screwed over like everyone else. It's truly sad to see their capacity for independent thought completely eschewed, as if they're hand muppets. I never realized just how deep the hand went, until now.

Just some musings on a most unamusing topic. Like someone here said already, politics is not anymore the Tweedledum and Tweedledee it was.

PS How's the NBN in your area?

rehctub,

".... then how have they lied?"

They've done nothing BUT lie.

And they're still lying.

Regarding the underhand "surprise" cuts to the states. On Sunday Abbott said:

"We're not talking about next week or next month or even next year; we are taking about changes in three years time."

But Abbott now agrees the national partnership agreement on public hospitals, which begins on July 1, has been cut. Budget documents say it has been cut by $1.8 billion over the next four years.

(Joe Hockey just said on Qanda that you don't have to lie to get elected.....followed by saying they have "stopped the boats")

Lol!

So it's all a big joke...rehctub is flailing around trying to find just one technical point where they mightn't have lied.

(good luck with that!)

Taking a closer look at the Budget. Most of these reforms won't come into effect until 2017 or 2020. They won't get in if another election is called now & possibly not in 3 years time either.

So, is the plan to get as much money in now & scrap the bad bits over the next two Budgets? Thereby making them look like good guys.

.....Perhaps with Ford, Holden and Toyota outta here the LNP can look at the tax subsidy available to the wealthy and their leased foreign cars.

L, thankfully our great nation was not built on the attitudes of under achievers, because if it was, we would be in real trouble as we would all be relying on foriegn aid for what too many take for granted as, subsidized livelihoods and good luck with that I would say because most other nations are in much worse shape than we are.

There was always going to be a time whereby even the risk takers couldn't fill the gap to support the under achievers, we just didn't know when that time was and, if not for the missmanagement of Rudd and Gillard, there may well have been some breathing space but, something under achievers fail to get a grip on, is that money can only be spent once and, if spent without result is waste and that is what has caused the current situation.

There will always be risk takers but, if labor gets another crack, chances are these risk takers will be seeking out even more ways to avoid taxes, considering they would most likely be wasted again. I say this because Bill Short-on-ideas has no plan other than to complain.

An election result will depend largely on how many of the hand out brigade bothered to vote last time.

Piorot, with regards to lies, or no lies, is it not more important to debate the alternatives. Because so far Bill-short-on-ideas has none. Do you!

"Hasbeen- I have never heard a story quite like yours it sounds like you live in another country altogether ! It almost sounds like you are pulling someones leg" !

Posted by trapdiocan.

Sounds like you have never been out of the big city, where all things are given to all people. Out here in the sticks, there's a lot of things we don't get.

The oldies, particularly widows living independently, do get quite a bit of help from charity organisations, but only the desperate get bulk billing. We get a free charity bus once a week, taking them to town, [25 Kilometers so a bit of a walk], & to things like doctors, bank, dentist & supermarkets. Just as well, as the only other transport is the school bus, & adults aren't allowed on that.

Strangely, I have had a few skin cancers cut out on my regular visits, & the whole visit then becomes free. I'm damned if I know how it works, but I'd rather pay than be developing cancer, so I won't wish for more.

You might be surprised at how the other half have to live.

Worth a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ex6MAtcOe8&feature=youtu.be

Who is doing these things Jayb?

Who ever it is, they should get an academy award.

rehctub,

"There was always going to be a time whereby even the risk takers couldn't fill the gap to support the under achievers, we just didn't know when that time was and, if not for the missmanagement of Rudd and Gillard, there may well have been some breathing space but, something under achievers fail to get a grip on, is that money can only be spent once and, if spent without result is waste and that is what has caused the current situation."

Is it any wonder that jumped-up self-congratulatory shopkeepers who bestow no merit at all to the workers who propelled their businesses, aren't prominent in history annals.

Mean-minded, penny-pinchers who bang on interminably blowing their own trumpet aren't the most inspiring among men.

Okay, butcher, you carry on slurping away at Hockey's crock and ignore all the prominent economists who declare that Australia's economy in the wake of the GFC is the envy of the world (I know how it reinforces your world view)

Regarding Shorten's ideas, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves (considering Abbott had nothing to offer on the economic front except BS about what wasn't going to be cut) Let's first get our bearings back after being stabbed in the back by the Coalition before we go changing the subject.

Joke...

Poirot, are you for real!

He said he would stop the boats, and he did.

He also said he woukd drop the carbon tax and mining tax, and he will once labors numbers are shot, as they will be come July 1.

As for my staff, they were well rewarded, because, if I got a dud, I dropped them like a school bag.

My beef with under achievers, is that they are happy for risk takers to pay their taxes and support them, the problem is, rather than be appreciative, they despise high achievers.

Well, the free lunch is about the come to an end.

Time for an election.

Why?

The coalition has proven itself to be the most corrupt and dishonest government in Australia's history.

Labor's also pathetic and full of slimebags (just like the coalition), but WAY preferable to the coalition regarding honesty.

ToneLIAR makes Juliar look like a complete amateur when it comes to deceit and lying.

rehctub,

"He said he would stop the boats, and he did.

He also said he woukd drop the carbon tax and mining tax, and he will once labors numbers are shot, as they will be come July 1."

Are "you" for real?

Aside from the boats (and who knows what is going on up there as all info is suppressed)...Have you not noticed Tones and Co have chucked in a petrol tax and what amounts to a doctor, pharmacy, pathology,xray tax - plus oodles of other surprise cuts.

Did he say he would, butcher..did he? Does he keep his word - or does he just say stuff to get elected?

Hmmm....that's a hard one.

Btw, our esteemed Prime Minister has made the big time. The Washington Post is now reporting on him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/22/how-australias-winking-tony-abbott-became-one-of-the-worlds-most-unpopular-prime-ministers/

Under the banner: "How Australia’s winking Tony Abbott became one of the world’s most unpopular prime ministers"

"This, of course, is nothing new for Tony Abbott, who’s quickly becoming one of the world’s most hated prime ministers. He just unveiled a draconian austerity budget that analysts call the most extreme and least popular of the past four decades in Australia. His approval rating has plunged to 30 percent."

Face up to it, rehctub, this bozo and his Cabinet are a disaster wo have trashed the Liberal brand...going to take a lot of years for the LNP to get its act together and win back some trust.

Nhoj, as most of his pledges have been tqrgeted for post the next election, and not implemented mid stream, how can you compare him to Julia with her carbon tax.

Poirot, you conveniently forget that ANYTHING Tony does with regards to the boats, is in response to a problem THAT DIDN'T EXIST before labor came to power.

He said he will stop the boats coming to Australia, and he did

SO HOW DOES ONE FACTOR FREAKING FRAK-KING..INTO THE GDP
its economic spend..its in the dna..of the gdp/but in the end..didnt recover its costs[plus poluted much/water..caused much landslip/and dumped highly toxic waster into well mud..and pumped unnamed poisens/under ground/under some vague patent/right implicite in the mix[its all gdp]..we even built them pipelines/ports[gdp]..but they will run at a loss..for years[and how about intrest[on/top]?

background/OHH DEAR..a new frakking crisus/the frakkers
Fake Mideast oilman...en-traps Mariel Hemingway,
Ed Begley in frakked-video sting
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/20/fake-mideast-oilman-traps-mariel-hemingway-ed-begley-in-video-sting/

The man called “Mohammed” presented himself as the son of a Middle Eastern oil magnate, but he was an actor hired to embarrass two Hollywood celebrities...[They were there to support a friend making a documentary about the dangers of fracking, a controversial mining technique used to extract natural gas.]

The purported oilman was working for James O’Keefe, the conservative activist with a track record of using deception and hidden cameras to discredit liberal targets.
Webmaster's Commentary:

This video was created to portray anti-frackers as working for mideast oil companies instead of being genuinely concerned with the the harm to health caused by fracking wells (and the recent revelation that for all the toxic side-effects, the recoverable oil and gas is just a tiny fraction of what was promised).
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-oil-20140521-story.html

It would appear that Matt Damon's film about fracking, "Promised Land",
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2091473/
is accurate in its portrayals of the deceptive tactics used by the fracking companies to promote their agenda. I am not going to give away the story line here. If you have not seen this film, make a point of watching it. This stunt by O'Keefe confirms that the film's portrayal of the fracking companies is indeed accurate.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/whos-dangerous_052014

HERE IS WHY..NO ONE..IS CALLING FOR A
DOUBLE TROUBLE THAT HAlVES THE TROUBLES

How Brussels elite was stunned
by a flurry of right (and left) hooks from disgruntled Europeans
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640033/Brussels-elite-stunned-flurry-right-left-hooks-disgruntled-Europeans.html

There has never been a night like it. Early on Sunday evening, even before the last polls had closed, the first tremors were shaking the pillars of European power.

Then came the full force of the earthquake. And by the time the dust had settled, it was clear that something had fundamentally changed at the heart of Europe’s body politic.

In Britain, the headlines belonged to Ukip. For more than a century, no party other than the Conservatives or Labour had won a national election.

But on Sunday night, Nigel Farage’s little band of rebels turned history on its head, topping the polls with almost 28 per cent of the vote. Nobody, surely, doubts now that Britain has entered an age of four-party politics.
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Refreshing Rationality:
Why..*NOT Believing/In Conspiracies
Is A Sure Sign..Of develop-Mental Retardation
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/refreshing-rationality-why-not-believing-in-conspiracies-is-a-sure-sign-of-mental-retardation-2_052014

The phrase “conspiracy theorist” is a derogatory smear phrase thrown at someone in an attempt to paint them as a lunatic. It’s a tactic frequently used by modern-day thought police in a desperate attempt to demand “Don’t go there!”

But let’s step back for a rational moment
and ask the commonsense question: Are there really..[absolutely/POSITIVELY\PRovably/conclusivly]..NO conspiracies in our world?

not one?..who conspire..TO DECIEVE
NOT ONE..who try to call CONPIRACY-THEOry*//
WHERE THERE IS SMOKE..there is smoke/but the copmnspiricies exposed are beyond a joke

its time that those who wrote law/wernt ignorant/and ignored by law

its high treason/and yet swtrill the fat cats slup at the creamy skum/off the top..while putting the burden..and the waste/whey..into our milk..and poisens into our food

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html

vote none of the above[means your level of govt is fired]..gone..moved on/TOO CORRUPTED TO SAVE..YOUR FIRED

VOTE NONE OF THE ABOUVE
some smoke here i think
so stop..blowing the smoke up out butt*
WHY WONT/POST POST@
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16191&page=8
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=13