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Union lunacy at it again

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Union lunacy?
Of all the right wing nonsense sprouted on this site, this takes the cake.
Unions have been eviscerated in this country. What kind of strike is it if you have to get legal approval? So there are one or two unions left who aren't entirely proper!

Well, there are 100s of big business who break all sorts of laws, avoid paying tax, operate cartels, rob the public purse, obtain corrupt political privilege, survive entirely on corruption ....

But don't you worry about them apples. What does the CEO of Telstra, NAB, Commbank get paid again? Moreover what did those CEOs do? Did they build a business? Did they grow a business? If you ever meet one of them, you will find that anything resembling a personality is absent. Modern day don Quixote's tilting at windmills. It is embarrassing to witness adolescent state of retardation which pervades the ranks of senior executives.

I can't remember any public enquiry into the nocturnal travel expenses of senior executives of public companies. I can assure you, absent the patronage of these senior executives most of our cities would lack the variety of nightlife they currently offer.
Posted by YEBIGA, Saturday, 29 March 2014 2:46:53 AM
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The barter system works best for house builders and the likes, they trade plumbing for building work. Everything has to be recorded and lodged with your BAS. If one records it and the other does not someone is in trouble. You have to be a registered Barter trader for a start.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 29 March 2014 7:39:06 AM
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Unionism is a necessary evil. We have 1 in 7 persons living in poverty now. Where would we be without unions. Traders rely on the public having the disposable income so they can sell items. Have you ever heard of employers giving voluntary pay rises. The ambos; have been negotiating for months and still nothing. Nothing really happens until drastic measures are taken, all the employee has to offer is their services.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 29 March 2014 11:05:26 AM
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The damage that Williams clown did to the union movement will be felt for years. What a hide, to be on half a million a year and still steel members funds.

I am the first to admit that we need unions, however, the problems occur when they go too far, same goes for employers of cause.

By wanting to lower the adult wage to 17,which is what this thread is about, the unions, if they get their way, will decimate youth employment, but they just can't see it.

Few would care about the limit being lowered from 21 to 20, as it's the unions agenda that is of concern, not the recent 37c/ hour as several here keep referring to.

NOBODY is going to give a kid a chance if that means paying the higher wages from the get go, so, how do kids gain experience if they can't even get a start, because it's hard enough for them now.

The only way equal pay for ages will work is if the industry pays for productivity, and that's illegal in most industries now, thanks again to unions I might add.

People just have to come to the realization that no matter what the wage rates are, THEY MUST be affordable to business, as after all, that's the bottom line.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 29 March 2014 11:19:29 AM
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Twenty years ago the minimum wage was 60% of the adult wage now it is 43%. So it certainly needs a boost along. We don't want working poor like in the US.
What needs looking at is rationisation of supply. Just because someone starts a business should not necessarily be the same type of business that is already in operation. There needs to be a demand for such business. Without population increases demand can not happen. How many coffee shops can one town support.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 29 March 2014 11:54:39 AM
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579, it could also be suggested that 20 years ago there were less skilled, highly educated people than there are today,(as a percentage) which is perhaps the driving force behind the wage gap. That, plus the fact that welfare now makes up a large portion of that gap for many.

As for coffee shops, that appears to be a survival of the fittest industry.

The bit that puzzles me is how so many people willingly hand over money fir what is a hugely marked up item, such as a coffee, yet they complain if rump steak hits $26 per kilo, yet have little trouble paying upwards of $45 per kilo for what is essentially, milk.

Now while coffee sales are increasing, profits are not.

In fact, a cappuccino should be around $7.00 plus GST if prices had kept up with inflation. And we must remember, that $400 odd we pay for a coffee, includes GST. so that industry, despite increasing it's turnover, is doing it tough as well. It also relies very heavily on disposable income, which is in fear of drying up.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 29 March 2014 12:56:41 PM
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